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MEETING OF: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
DATE OF MEETING: May 6,1996 (Regular Meeting)
TIME OF MEETING: 3:OO p.m. PLACE OF MEETING: City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Courtney called the Meeting to order at 3:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Commissioners Courtney, Allen, Blake, Green and Stachoviak.
Absent: None.
Staff Members Present: Bob Johnson, Traffic Engineer
Sgt. Jim Byler
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
On motion by Commissioner Blake, the Minutes of the Regular Meeting held April 1, 1996, were approved as presented.
AYES: Courtney, Allen, Blake, Green and Stachoviak
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
There were no requests to address the Commission.
PREVIOUS BUSINESS
Bob Johnson reported that the Ordinance for the 55 mile per hour speed limit on El Camino Real
was introduced by City Council and will be adopted tomorrow night. He stated that several weeks
ago Council adopted the 40 mile per hour speed limit on Faraday Avenue and the appropriate
signs will be installed shortly.
NEW BUSINESS
A. Carlsbad Boulevard. Walnut Avenue to Mountain View Drive - Request to revise the prima facie
speed limit.
Bob Johnson reported that this segment of Carlsbad Boulevard is posted at 25 miles per hour and
consists of .75 miles of roadway, qualifying as a business district. However, a speed limit must be
justified by the results of an Engineering and Traffic Suney. He stated that the speed limit at the
Army Navy Academy is 25 miles per hour when children are present.
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NEW BUSINESS (Continued)
Mr. Johnson stated that the Traffic Commissioners in the San Marcos courts have dismissed
several tickets for speeding when the Police used radar in this area. The Police Department
requested a survey for the area in order to have their tickets upheld in court. He said if there is a
speed trap, and a vehicle is pulled over for speeding, with the officer using radar, this is an unlawful
detention of that person and the Police Officers will not let that happen. Mr. Johnson stated that the
only means of enforcement in that case is pacing.
Mr. Johnson said that if there is a speed trap in Carlsbad, that raises a question of the credibility of
all speed zones in Carlsbad, so it is essential that speed zones be justified by a survey. People
normally drive at a reasonable and safe speed in any given section of a roadway, and an artificial
decreasing of the speed limit seldom changes the characteristics of driving. He said that the critical
speed is the 85'h percentile, which is where the majority of the drivers are traveling at or below.
Mr. Johnson stated that two speed surveys were conducted in this area, and the critical speeds
were 35 miles per hour and 33 miles per hour at Cypress Street and Oak Avenue. He referred to
the results of the speed surveys, which were included in the packet, and explained the factors
included in those surveys.
Mr. Johnson said that this street is a major arterial on the Circulation Plan and has a design speed
of 50 miles per hour. There are businesses in the area and pedestrian and bicycle traffic, with
some pedestrians crossing in the middle of the block without a legal crosswalk. He said that the
adjacent speed limit south of Walnut is 30 miles per hour and north of Mountain View is 35 miles
per hour up to the north City limit, and then it is 45 miles per hour. He said that the collision history
was shown in the packet, with the accident history for the last two years. Mr. Johnson said that
seven of the collisions were caused by drivers exceeding a safe speed. This can be rolling into
another vehicle in front or rear-ending. He stated that there was property damage only on five of
the seven collisions.
Mr. Johnson stated that this part of Carlsbad Boulevard does need to have the Police Department
enforcing speed limits, so the most logical method is to use radar; however, to use radar the speed
limit must be justified. He said that pacing is an option, but he would ask Sgt. Byler to explain why
that is not used.
Sgt. Byler stated that pacing is used by the Highway Patrol, and Carlsbad Police Department does
use pacing on El Camino Real. He said you need a long stretch of road in order to pace a vehicle
for a considerable distance in order to determine a pace. He said that Carlsbad Boulevard is not
conducive to pacing, and is not as safe and effective as radar. He said that with radar the Officer
does not have to get up to the driver's speed in order to stop them.
Mr. Johnson said that one strategy the Police use is to have three or four Officers work a road with
radar. In this way the drivers know the speed limit is being enforced by observing many vehicles pulled over and drivers being issued tickets.
Mr. Johnson said that in conclusion, this item was thoroughly discussed by the Traffic Safety
Coordinating Committee, and although they felt the Commissioners in the court system are
dictating to us what the speed limits should be; however, they are the ones ruling on the tickets. He
said that if they rule the speed limit is not proper and radar cannot be used, there is no chance to
enforce the speed limit with radar. He stated the Coordinating Committee recommended a 30 mile
per hour prima facie speed limit be established on this segment of Carlsbad Boulevard.
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NEW BUSINESS (Continued)
Chairperson Courtney stated that the Commission was fghting a State law, and if they vote five to
zero against the ordinance, the City Council will adopt the proper speed limit. He said there is
nothing the Traffic Safety Commission can do about this, and he would ask the Commissioners to
limit discussion.
Commissioner Green interrupted Chairperson Courtney and stated he should not be "editorializing".
At this time, Chairperson Courtney ruled Commissioner Green out of order.
Chairperson Courtney continued his comments and then called for Commissioner comment, at
which time, Commissioner Green left the dais and the meeting at 3:15 p.m., without any
explanation.
Commissioner Stachoviak stated he did not agreed that there was nothing the Traffic Safety
Commission could do as a body. He said that some day the cities will challenge this and,
personally, he felt this situation is a perfect situation for a challenge. He said that with the business district in that area, along with the school zone and increased pedestrian and tourist traffic in this
beach area, he felt a lower speed could be mandated for safety in that area. He said he agreed with the survey, but would have to vote against this speed change.
Commissioner Allen stated he drove through this area in the afternoon at 30 miles per hour and felt
that 30 miles per hour would appear to be a safe speed. He said he had no problem with raising
the speed limit in this area.
Chairperson Courtney stated that this is a State law, and the judges interpret the law, and that is the
way it is now. He said that with the speed limit at 30 miles per hour, the speed will be slowed down,
as it has in other sections of town.
Sgt. Byler stated that with the new speed limit they would actually be able to wriie tickets at a lower
speed than under the old Speed Survey, because the critical speeds were lower than before. He
reiterated that this is a State law.
Chairperson Courtney suggested that one answer would be to contact the Legislators and ask them to come up with some legislation on this, rather than fQht the Commissioners at the Municipal
Court level.
ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Blake, the Traffic Safety Commission adopted the
recommendation of the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee to establish a 30
mile per hour prima facie speed limit on Carlsbad Boulevard from Walnut Avenue
to Mountain View Drive.
AYES: Courtney, Allen and Blake
- NOES: Stachoviak
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REPORTS FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS
Commissioner Stachoviak inquired when the bike
rides and skateboarders.
patrol would start in order to control the bike
Sgt. Byler stated that Memorial Day is the official start time for the bike patrol, and they will be
enforcing the skateboarding ordinance, as the grace period has passed.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER
Bob Johnson stated that he will wriie a memorandum to the Commissioners with regard to
Commissioner Stachoviak's inquiry about the intersection of Tamarack and Carlsbad Boulevard,
and the pedestrian traffic on the west side of the street.
ADJOURNMENT
By proper motion, the Regular Meeting of May 6,1996, was adjourned at 3:35 p.m.
Respectfully subm' ed, &Aehd
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk