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MEETING OF: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
DATE OF MEETING: December 2, 1996 (Regular Meeting)
TIME OF MEETING: 3:OO p.m. PLACE OF MEETING: City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Courtney called the Meeting to order at 3:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Commissioners Courtney, Allen, Blake, Gillfillan and Green
Absent: None.
Staff Members Present: Bob Johnson, Traffic Safety Engineer
Sgt. Jim Byler
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
On motion by Commissioner Blake, the Minutes of the Regular Meeting held
November 4, 1996, were approved as presented.
AYES: Courtney, Allen, Blake, Gillfillan and Green
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
There were no requests to address the Commission.
PREVIOUS BUSINESS:
Bob Johnson reported that he is following up on the items brought up at the
November meeting.
Mr. Johnson stated that former Commissioner Stachoviak could not attend a
meeting and his Proclamation will be delivered to his home.
Mr. Johnson stated that the Commission had a Resolution of Commendation to
award to Harriett Babbitt, the Minutes Clerk.
Chairperson Courtney presented the Resolution of Commendation to the
Minutes Clerk for 14 years of taking the Minutes of the Traffic Safety
Commission. (A personal comment-it is beautiful and very much
appreciated!)
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NEW BUSINESS:
A. Batiauitos Drive, Aviara Parkway to Kestrel Drive - Request to establish a
prima facie speed limit.
Bob Johnson gave the report, using a transparency to show this segment of
roadway. He stated that this item was continued from the Traffic Safety
Commission meeting of November 4, 1996. He said that the Engineering and
Traffic Surveys have been done and the critical speed was 43 miles per -hour
between Aviara Parkway and Golden Star Lane. From Golden Star Lane to
Kestrel Drive, the critical speed was 44 miles per hour. Mr. Johnson stated
that after the road is posted and enforcement occurs, staff will re-evaluate the
street if there is a need to change the speed limits due to any problem with
tickets. He added that staff does not want to post a roadway with a speed limit
that 100 percent of the drivers are exceeding.
In reply to Commission query, Sgt. Byler stated that when a street is posted
with a speed limit, the Police do not issue citations immediately. They give
the drivers time to adjust to the new speed limit, then spend some time issuing
warnings before they actually start writing citations. He said that usually
takes about three or four weeks. He added that they would probably use their
smart radar trailer to monitor the speeds, as that provides a hard copy of the
speeds registered during the day and that data can be used as an educational
tool in response to any complaints by citizens.
Commissioner Allen inquired why Kestrel was not included in this survey, and
Mr. Johnson replied that it will be brought before the Commission at a later
date.
In reply to Commission query, Mr. Johnson stated that Kestrel is a residential
collector. He said that a 40 mile per hour design speed would carry through
for Batiquitos Drive from Kestrel to the west to join Poinsettia Lane. He said
there will be a raised median on part of that road and the roadway does widen
out.
Mr. Johnson stated that in going from a 35 mile per hour limit to 40 miles does
involve signage to alert the drivers to the change.
Commissioner Gillfillan felt the transition point should be placed elsewhere,
and Sgt. Byler stated that they do not issue citations right at the transition
spot; generally in the middle of a speed zone. He said that there are no homes
fronting on Kestrel, and that seems to be a logical breakpoint.
Chairperson Courtney stated he has a problem with splitting the speed limit on
the same street; particularly over such a short span and would favor one speed
limit for the entire length of roadway.
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
Commissioners Gillfillan, Allen and Blake concurred with Chairperson
Courtney and felt the speed limit should be 40 miles per hour.
Commissioner Green stated he agreed with the findings of staff on the surveys
and supports having two speed limits on that road.
ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Blake, the Traffic Safety
Commission recommended a 40 mile per hour prima facie
speed limit be established upon Batiquitos Drive from
Aviara Parkway to Kestrel Drive.
AYES: Courtney, Allen, Blake and Gillfillan
NOES: Green
Mr. Johnson stated that the sight distance at Spoonbill would not meet the
requirement for 40 miles per hour and warning signs would have to be installed
there.
B. Review and Comment upon the TSC Rules and Procedures
Bob Johnson stated that any Commission comments would be added to
the rules and the resolution would be adopted at the January meeting.
This item was tabled until the January meeting.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS:
Commissioner Green requested an agenda item at the next meeting to review
the right-hand turn lane on Tamarack eastbound at El Camino Real. He
suggested that the right-hand turn lane be made a straight through or right-
hand turn lane. At the present time, there is one left turn lane, one straight
through lane and one right-hand turn lane, and people are driving straight
through out of that right-hand lane.
Mr. Johnson stated that staff has a backlog of work at this time, and requested
that this item be placed on the February agenda.
Commissioner Blake stated that in the morning during the rush hour, this was
to keep the traffic flowing. He said that in the evening it is reversed and up to
14 cars get lined up there.
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REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS: (Continued)
Commissioner Green inquired whether the City has considered speed bumps
and how effective they are.
Mr. Johnson stated that speed humps were considered six years ago and the
City Council said “no7’ to any speed humps. He said that the City of San Diego
is removing them at this time, and added that they are very expensive to
install.
Commissioner Allen commented about streets not being lined up at
intersections, such as El Camino Real and Palomar Airport Road, and Mr.
Johnson said that certain intersections cannot be lined up due to streets being
widened at different times. He said that as long as there are no accidents
because of that, it does not appear to be a problem.
Commissioner Allen said that on Alga Road there is signage saying there is no
stopping at any time, but cars stop there to pick up the workers who are
standing there. He said there are usually 10 to 50 day laborers standing there
to be picked up, and suggested that either the signs be taken down or enforced.
Sgt. Byler stated that they are working on a plan to eliminate that problem.
Bob Johnson stated he had written a memo regarding that situation and they
will be enforcing the signs soon.
Chairperson Courtney also commented about the intersections that have lanes
that do not match up, and asked whether reflectors or striping could be added.
Mr. Johnson said that lead-in striping can be done, but they do not want to
confuse the drivers.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER:
Bob Johnson thanked the Commissioners for another successful year of dealing
with the items before them. He thanked Sgt. Jim Byler for attending the
meetings and being here as a back-up when problems arise that involve the
Police Department. He also thanked the Minutes Clerk for her work and stated
he has worked with her for 11 years and that over the 14 years she has worked
for the City she has reported the Minutes for 20 Traffic Safety Commissioners,
and he complimented her on her work.
Mr. Johnson wished everyone Happy Holidays.
Chairperson Courtney thanked the Commissioners and the Minutes Clerk for
their work during his term of office.
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ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the Regular Meeting of December 2, 1996, was adjourned at
4:04 p.m.
Minutes Clerk