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MEETING OF: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
DATE OF MEETING: December 5,2005 (Regular Meeting)
TIME OF MEETING: 3:OO p.m.
PLACE OF MEETING: City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Chair Dorsey called the Meeting to order at 3:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Chair Steve Dorsey
Vice-Chair Susan Gardner
Commissioner Gordon Cress
Commissioner Guy Roney
Commissioner Bonnie Bradshaw
Absent: None
Staff Members Present: Robert Johnson, Deputy City Engineer, Transportation
John Kim, Associate Engineer, Transportation
Lt. Don Rawson, Carlsbad Police Department
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
November 7,2005
Commissioner Cress stated that there was a correction needed on the November 7,2005 minutes
of the Traffic Safety Commission meeting on Page 8, under Motion to Item 6A, where the
minutes incorrectly stated that the action was motioned by Chair Dorsey, but it was actually
motioned by Commissioner Cress.
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Cress, and duly seconded by Vice-Chair
Gardner, to approve the minutes, as amended, of the regular meeting
of November 7,2005 as presented.
Cress, Dorsey, Gardner, Roney, Bradshaw
VOTE: 5-0-0
AYES:
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
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ITEM 4 - ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
PUBLIC TESTIMONY:
Thelma Hayes, 580 Laguna Drive, Carlsbad stated that she was at the meeting because of the article
she saw in the North County Times recently regarding the pick-up and delivery of school children to
Valley Middle School and the high school. She stated that this was an ongoing problem that has been
in existence for about thirty years. In 1988, a small group of residents called the Pedestrian Group
was successful in having the City Council adopt an ordinance entitled The Pedestrian Action Plan.
Since that time, the vehicle code included pedestrians. Part of the plan was to provide more
sidewalks and safe footing within a quarter of a mile of a school. There was a map indicating
sidewalks in a circle around each school for a quarter of a mile. These maps were distributed to each
school principal so that they realized where the children had safe walking areas to get to and fiom
school.
Ms. Hayes stated that an incident occurred six or seven years ago at Valley Middle School where a
parent was picking up their child fiom the school and was nearly hit by a car. To her knowledge,
there have been no fatalities because of this, but she stated it was just “such a mess.”
Ms. Hayes said that the reason she came to the Commission was to ask that some action be taken
because the problem has become worse. She is asking that the Commission investigate what can be
done to rectify the problem, to think about how the Commission can participate in a remedy. She felt
that some action needed to be taken because the situation has not gotten any better. The PTA tried to
work on it, but to no avail.
Chair Dorsey stated that since this item was not on the agenda, there was no action that the
Commission could take at this time, but would be something that the Commission could consider in
the future.
Mr. Bob Johnson, Deputy City Engineer, stated that he and Lt. Rawson met with the principal of
Valley Middle School last week. He said he would send a letter to Ms. Hayes informing her that
there are a number of actions being taken care of and what has taken place. School zone issues are a
constant concern that occurs throughout the year that Lt. Rawson and he meet with the principals of
many of the schools. He will respond to Ms. Hayes’ concerns with a letter to Ms. Hayes.
Commissioner Bradshaw asked if there was a lack of sidewalks around the schools.
Mr. Johnson stated that the item could not be discussed in detail because it was not an agenda item.
He said that too many vehicles transport children back and forth to school by parents in the short
period before and after school because the parents are not going to allow children to walk to and
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eom school because of safety and security issues. There is a heavy influx of parents in that short
period of time in the morning and afternoon. Sidewalks are really not the issue near Valley Middle
School. If it were just putting in sidewalks to take care of the problem, that would be one thing; but it
goes beyond that.
ITEM 5 - PREVIOUS BUSINESS:
Robert Johnson stated that at the City Council meeting of November 15,2005, the City Council
unanimously denied the appeal of Mi-. Brian Bernacki regarding his request that the no parking signs
during street sweeping hours be removed on Marina Drive. Mr. Bernacki did not attend that City
Council meeting. However, the matter was heard. The president of the Bristol Cove Property
Owners’ Association spoke and asked the City Council to not alter the parking times on Park Drive
which was in keeping in with what the Commission had recommended.
Mr. Johnson stated that the recommendations made by the Commission at the November 7,2005
Traffic Safety Commission meeting that addressed the existing and new truck routes is tentatively
scheduled for the City Council meeting of December 13,2005 for the City Council to consider those
recommendations.
ITEM 6 -NEW BUSINESS:
ITEM6A: Establish an all-way stop on Hosp Way at the intersection of Wintergreen
Drive/Grove Avenue.
Commissioner Gardner recused herself fiom participating in this item because she lives close to the
subject area and it may be a conflict of interest.
Mr. Johnson stated that this item was a request to establish an all-way stop on Hosp Way at the
intersection of Wintergreen Drive/Grove Avenue. He introduced John Kim, Associate Engineer, who
provided the staff report.
Mr. Kim stated that this item was originated as a request fiom Ms. Wanda Wood for an all-way stop
on Hosp Way at Wintergreen Drive. Staff conducted the necessary traffic studies and found that an
all-way stop was not warranted at this location. After sharing the results with Ms. Wood, she then
requested that this issue be heard as a Traffic Safety Commission item. It was originally scheduled
for October, but had been continued to the December 5,2005 meeting at her request.
Mr. Kim stated that Hosp Way was an unclassified public street. Referring to Exhibit 1 on the Power
Point slide, he stated that Hosp Way was a fully improved two-way roadway and has curb, gutter,
sidewalks, and street lights on both sides of the street. Traffic control on Hosp Way is currently
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provided by a traffic signal at El Camino Real and an existing all-way stop at Forest View Way. The
horizontal alignment for Hosp Way is generally curvilinear throughout its alignment. Due to the
curvilinear geometrics of the road, curve-warning signs have been posted on both approaches to the
intersection of Hosp Way and Wintergreen Drive, with advisory speeds of 25 mph below the curve-
warning signs.
Referring to the slides, Mr. Kim stated that the vertical alignment of Hosp Way varies from 1.86% to
1 1 .O% throughout the alignment, With a centerhe slope of 4.0% at the intersection of Wintergreen
Drive/Grove Avenue. Hosp Way has a posted speed limit of 30 miles per hour. The critical speed
was found to be 35 mph at a location 300 feet west of Avenida Magnifica. Historical mid-block
counts show the volumes on Hosp Way to be a little over 2,000 vehicles per day. The design volume
for a collector street ranges from 2,000 to 10,000 vehicles per day.
Mr. Kim stated that stop signs are generally used to assign right of way to drivers. Stop signs were
not intended to be a means to reduce speed. The criteria that Carlsbad uses to implement an all-way
stop are based on the 2003 Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) as amended by
the MUTCD 2003 California Supplement.
There are some arguments against the use of unneeded stop signs. One argument is the concept of
traffic control device uniformity. A stop sign used at an intersection where a full stop is vitally
needed to prevent right angle collisions should not be considered at locations where drivers are not
faced with any unusual or unexpected conflicts. The collision history of an intersection should be
examined carefully as unwarranted stop signs do not necessarily prevent collisions. In fact, certain
types of accidents such as rear-end collisions may increase at locations having a stop sign that is
unnecessary. Unwarranted stop signs create a substantial inconvenience for the motorist.
Another argument against unwarranted stop signs, Mr. Kim stated, is the concern that if a stop sign
seems to imply a nuisance regulation, observance of this regulatory device deteriorates and safety at
intersections can become compromised. Drivers tend to ignore unwarranted stop signs. Other
consequences of unwarranted stop signs include the increase in air pollution and noise pollution
associated with vehicles decelerating to a stop unnecessarily, idling, and then accelerating from the
stop.
Mr. Kim stated that the MUTCD criteria for all-way stop signs are broken into three criteria. Criteria A = Interim Traffic Control Measure; Criteria B = Accident Experience; and Criteria C = Minimum
Traffic Volumes.
Interim Traffic Control Measure means this location can have an all-way stop before a proposed
traffic signal is installed. This location was studied for the 2006 Traffic Signal Evaluation Policy, but
no traffic signal warrants were met and a traffic signal is not proposed at this location.
Accident Experience. The all-way stop criteria analysis considers the number of collisions that have
been reported in a 12-month period at an intersection of the type susceptible to correction by an all-
way stop. Staff researched the four-year collision occurrence history of reported collisions at the
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subject intersection to determine if there has been a past collision pattern. There have been no
reported intersection collisions. However, there have been two reported collisions near the subject
intersection during this four-year period. Both incidents involved a single vehicle that ran off the
roadway and the accidents were not of the type susceptible to correction by having an all-way stop.
Based on the collision history, this intersection is not considered to be a “high accident” location.
Minimum Traffic Volumes. The 24-hour approach volumes at this location were obtained and the
volumes did not meet the minimum requirements. An all-way stop is generally considered if the
approach volumes on each leg of the intersection are approximately equal. Side street traffic volume
is substantially less than the through volume of the major road, which is Hosp Way.
Mr. Kim stated that the comer sight distance value necessary for the design speed of 30 mph on a
collector street is given as 350 feet (comer sight distance required for 35 mph is 402 feet). Staff
conducted measurements of the existing corner sight distance that is available for drivers on the side
streets to view an approaching vehicle. The driver position was assumed to be 9.8 feet behind the
prolongation of the curb line with the fiont of the vehicle positioned at the curb and gutter
prolongation. The minimum corner sight distance is met for the westerly direction from Wintergreen
Drive and the easterly direction from Grove Avenue. The minimum stopping sight distance is
satisfied for both directions for the design speed and posted speed limit of 30 mph.
In conclusion, Mr. Kim stated that based on the above findings, warrants had not been met to
establish an all-way stop at Hosp Way and Wintergreen Drive/Grove Avenue. Therefore, the TrafEc
Safety Coordinating Committee recommends that an all-way stop not be established at the Hosp
Way and Wintergreen Drive/Grove Avenue intersection.
DISCUSSION:
Commissioner Roney asked if there has ever been a signal at that intersection.
Mr. Kim stated that staff evaluates potential traffic signal locations on a bi-annual basis. There are
warrants associated with that evaluation. He was not aware that this location has ever met any
warrants for a traffic signal, and has therefore never been proposed for a future traffic signal.
Commissioner Roney stated that at one time his mother had been asked to sign a disclosure for a
potential traf€ic signal at the intersection.
Mr. Kim said that it has never met signal warrants.
Mr. Johnson stated that in the mid-80’s, when development was occurring around that intersection,
the developer designed a traffic signal at that time as a condition of project approval that some day
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there may be a need. However, that need is based on meeting traffic signal warrants. There is a 20-
year old tr&k signal design on file if there were to be a traffic signal that would have to be updated
to current standards. There are no plans to put a traffic signal 'in at this time.
Commissioner Bradshaw said that as she looked at the historical vehicular volumes, she saw that in
1999 traffic peaked out at nearly 3,200 vehicles per day, and now it is at about 2,500 vehicles per
day. Was there a detour in the area or what caused that spike in the vehicular volumes?
Mr. Kim replied that is was almost impossible to say what caused that spike. Traffic volumes are
based on a hose that is stretched onto the roadway. If you look at historical day-to-day recording of
traffic volume, you would see that it varies. There is no record as to why that spike of 3,200 vehicles
occurred, but it could be due to a detour situation. There is just no way of knowing. Mr. Johnson
noted that traffic volumes could change due to new roads being implemented like the College
BoulevardCannon Road corridor being opened last year.
Commissioner Bradshaw asked when the stop sign was installed on Hosp Way and Forest View
Way.
Mr. Kim stated that he thought it was approximately four to five years ago.
Commissioner Cress asked if that all-way stop met the warrants.
Mr. Kim stated that it did not. The City Council directed the staffto install it.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY:
Chair Dorsey opened Public Testimony.
Wanda Wood, 2952 Wintergreen Drive, Carlsbad stated that she represented the Homeowners
Association. She said that although Mr. Kim had stated that none of the criteria had been met for a
stop sign, those residents that used that intersection on a daily basis saw a need for a stop sign. She
felt there existed a reasonable expectation to be able to exit Grove Avenue and be able to get out
onto Hosp Way without having to be involved in an automobile accident.
Ms. Wood handed the Commissioners a packet of photos as a handout that depicted various streets in
her neighborhood. Item 1 is a view where one would exit Wintergreen turning left onto Hosp Way;
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Item 2 is a view exiting Wintergreen tuming right onto Hosp Way; Item 3 is a view on Hosp Way
after exiting Wintergreen at the intersection; and Item 4 is an area map.
Ms. Wood stated that the homeowners felt that stop signs were needed before serious accidents or
fatalities occurred. Accidents have occurred - one vehicle hit a house and caused damage. There
have been multiple near misses. 72 homeowners use this intersection on a daily basis. Ms. Wood
wondered how a stop sign got installed on Forest View Way where only 20 homes have access. She
stated that if cost was an issue, then perhaps the Forest View Way stop sign could be moved to their
intersection instead. Traffic flow has changed. Homeowners are using Donna Drive because it is so
hard to get out fiom Wintergreen Drive onto Hosp Way. Ms. Wood showed a snapshot of a
handmade sign that said “SZow - BZind Curve -Proceed with Caution ” The only problem was that it
was on the wrong side of the street because there was no sign for them to attach the sign to. The
citizens that live in that area are really concerned. She asked each of the Commissioners to take
some time and drive at the area in question so they could see what is going on.
Chair Dorsey closed Public Testimony.
Commissioner Roney asked what the logic was of moving a stop sign out to Wintergreen Drive hm
Forest View Way.
Mr. Kim stated that it was not a cost issue, so that would not be a consideration of that stop sign. The
Forest View Way location had a more limited sight distance situation there than at Wintergreen
Drive.
Commissioner Cress stated that since the Forest View Way site was established by ordinance, it
would require an ordinance to either move it or do away with it.
Mr. Johnson stated that the City Council adopted an ordinance to establish the all-way stop at Hosp
and Forest View Way, so they would have to rescind that ordinance if that were the ultimate
recommendation. Stop signs are very serious traffic control devices; they are not just moved around
like chess pieces. Stop signs are put in for a reason. City Council directed staff to install the one at
Forest View Way. What is being discussed today are the merits of this particular intersection at
Wintergreen Drive.
December 5,2005
MOTION:
ACTION:
VOTE:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
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Motion by Commissioner Cress, and duly seconded by Commissioner
Roney, to recommend that an all-way stop not be established at Hosp
Way and Wintergreen Drive/Grove Avenue.
Dorsey, Cress, Roney
Bradshaw
None
3-1-0
ITEM 6B: Establish a prima facie speed limit upon Alicante Road from Alga Road to
Poinsettia Lane.
Mr. Johnson stated that this item is a request to establish a prima facie speed limit on Alicante Road
from Alga Road to Poinsettia Lane. Referring to Exhibit 1, he stated that Alicante Road terminates at
Poinsettia Lane for public traffic use. In the future, Alicante Road will be extended northerly to
provide access to the Bressi Ranch Development and to serve the Alga Norte Community Park.
South of Alga Road, Alicante Road has a posted speed limit of 40 miles per hour.
Alicante Road is a residential serving road located in the Villages of La Costa development. It
opened in April 2005 and is 1.13 miles in length. There is a 750-foot segment of Alicante Road north
of Alga Road that has a landscaped median dividing both directions of travel. The remaining portion
of roadway has a double-yellow centerline strip with one travel lane in each direction. Alicante Road
functions as a local collector road. A collector road has a daily traffic volume capacity range of
between 2,000 and 10,000 vehicles. A traffic count was obtained at two locations on Alicante Road
on November 9,2005 to determine the two-way, 24-hour average daily traffic volume. The recent
count data ranges between 1,400 and 1,800 vehicles per day.
Staffreviewed the Police Department collision reports for the time period from the date that the road
opened in early April. One collision has been reported on this new roadway segment. It was a hit and
run collision that resulted when the vehicle ran off the road and knocked over a street light pole.
Mr. Johnson stated that staff conducted a speed survey on Alicante Road on November 8,2005 to
determine the critical speed of vehicles. The critical speed was determined to be 41 mph. The critical
speed is used to help determine the appropriate prima facie speed to post upon a roadway. The
premise in speed zoning is that the majority of drivers are traveling at or near the 85th percentile
speed which is considered a reasonable speed. With a 41 mph critical speed, this would indicate that
we should be looking at a 40 mile per hour prima facie speed limit unless there are some extenuating
circumstances that might require an additional lowering of 5 miles per hour.
Mr. Johnson said that the three most persuasive arguments for setting a realistic or rational speed
limit are: (1) critical speed; (2) collision history; and (3) conditions that may not be readily apparent
to the driver. Based upon the results of the Engineering and Traffic Survey, the Traffic Safety
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Coordinating Committee recommends establishing a 40-mile per hour prima facie speed limit upon
Alicante Road fiom Alga Road to Poinsettia Lane.
DISCUSSION:
Commissioner Bradshaw asked where the future tennis center was going to be located.
Mr. Johnson stated that the future tennis center wodd be located in the northwest quadrant of the
Poinsettia Lane/Alicante Road intersection in the Alga Norte Community Park.
Commissioner Bradshaw asked if any ball banking tests had been conducted.
Mr. Johnson stated that they had not been conducted.
Commissioner Bradshaw felt that some curves were tricky to maneuver at 40 mph.
Mr. Johnson said that staff could not post every condition on a roadway. The driver is expected to
comply with basic speed law, which means he or she will drive in a reasonable and prudent manner.
Staff can look at some of the curves and, if appropriate, could post a curve-warning sign rather than
lowering the prima facie speed limit on the entire roadway.
Commissioner Bradshaw stated that it was stilI a problem for her. If a vehicle was traveling at 40
mph and someone behind them had to stop or hun onto a side street, it could cause an accident.
Commissioner Cress asked where the speed survey was conducted.
Mr. Johnson stated that the speed survey was on Alicante Road 100 feet north of Citrine Drive.
MOTION:
Commissioner Bradshaw asked if the motion could include a provision that staff would do ball
banking.
December 5,2005
ACTION:
VOTE:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
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Motion by Commissioner Cress, and duly seconded by Commissioner
Roney to recommend that a 40 mile per hour prima facie speed limit
be established upon Alicante Road from Alga Road to Poinsettia
Lane, with the added recommendation that warning signs be placed
as needed based upon ball banking.
Dorsey, Gardner, Cress, Roney, Bradshaw
None
None
5-0-0
ITEM 6C: Establish a prima facie speed limit upon Poinsettia Lane from El Camino Real
to Melrose Drive.
Mr. Johnson stated that this item was being considered to establish a prima facie speed limit upon
Poinsettia Lane fiom El Camino Real to Melrose Drive. This segment follows a curvilinear
alignment and is 2.13 miles in length. It is a four-lane, divided roadway and is designated as a major
arterial on the Circulation Element of the General Plan. The entire roadway opened in June 2005,
although in prior years, the segment from Melrose Drive extended down to Paseo Escuela, where it
serves residential units on the north and the Carrillo Elementary School located on the corner of
Melrose Drive and Poinsettia Lane. That roadway segment was opened approximately 8-9 years ago.
Earlier this year, the El Camino Real to Alicante Road segment opened. In June, the middle segment
opened up. Now the entire roadway is open from El Camino Real to Melrose Drive.
Mr. Johnson stated that the road was built to City standards, including curb, gutters, sidewalks, and
streetlights. Referring to Exhibit 1, Mr. Johnson said there are traffic signals installed on the westerly
end at El Camino Real, an existing traffic signal at Alicante Road, an existing traffic signal El Fuerte
Street, and also at Paseo Escuela. On its easterly terminus, there is an existing traffic signal at
Melrose Drive. There will be additional traffic signals installed in the future at Mica Road and
Quartz Way and also at the extension of Estrella de Mar Road fiom Alga Road to intersect with
Poinsettia Lane. Mica Road will serve as a school entrance. There is a new elementary school being
built between Mica Road and Quartz Way on the north side of Poinsettia Lane. This is being built by
the Carlsbad Unified School District. The School District hopes to have the school opened in
September 2006. Drivers fkom Mica Road will enter the school and proceed through a long school
driveway and exit onto Quartz Way to access Poinsettia Lane.
Mr. Johnson stated that the current volume range on Poinsettia Lane is very low, fkom approximately
4,500 vehicles per day to 5,700 vehicles per day. The centerline vertical grade varies on Poinsettia
Lane from between 1% to 7%. In the short time period that the road has been opened, there have
been no reported collisions, nor on the segment that was opened prior to June 2005.
Mr. Johnson said that school zone signing would be installed for the new school on Poinsettia Lane
before it opens. Currently, there are signs to indicate the existing school zone on Poinsettia Lane and
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the prima facie 25-mile per hour speed limit for the Carrillo Elementary School. When children are
present, drivers are expected to comply with that prima facie 25-mile per hour speed limit. In the
future, when the new school is built, the same situation will occur. There is currently no posted
prima facie speed limit. Since Poinsettia Lane is a four-lane, divided roadway, the maximum speed
limit is 65 mph.
Mr. Johnson said that critical speeds at two locations obtained by staff were 53 mph and 5 I mph.
After an evaluation of both critical speeds and posting to the nearest 5 mile per hour increment, the
TSCC determined that 50-miles per hour would be the appropriate speed limit for Poinsettia Lane,
taking into account the character of the area, the road, future land uses, the existing elementary
school, and the future elementary school. The proposal lowers the speed limit based on the
recommendation of the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee, which is a 50-mile per hour prima
facie speed limit upon Poinsettia Lane from El Camino Real to Melrose Drive.
DISCUSSION:
Vice-Chair Gardner asked when there is a road that changes speeds during various segments of the
road, is there something in the California Code that states how fiequently you can change the speed
limit in a certain section?
Mr. Johnson said that the California Code states that generally you want speed zones to be at least
one-half of a mile in distance. Depending on the speed of the roadway, one-half of a mile is not that
great of a distance. To have multiple speed zones in a short distance does not do drivers a service to
understand what speed they should be driving at. Drivers tend to drive a speed that they feel is
reasonable and prudent speed, regardless of what the speed is posted. There are police enforcement
issues that Lt. Rawson can address if there are a number of different speed limits within a very short
distance.
Lt. Rawson stated that his understanding of the question is related more to school zones, where
you’re going 50 mph, then down to 25 mph, and back up to 50 mph again. There have been similar
issues with the Melrose Drive traffic to Carrillo Elementary School as well. It can be confusing for
drivers, day in and day out, summer months, weekends, and holidays when you can stay at a certain
speed, and then it slows to 25 mph. It can be a difficult speed to maintain by drivers.
Vice-Chair Gardner said that she saw where measurements of speed were taken between El Fuerte
Street and Melrose Drive. Because El Fuerte Street goes through to Palomar Airport Road, it seems
to be used for a circulation to pick kids up in the afternoon or drop them off. She felt that if one
looked at the section between El Fuerte Street and Melrose Drive, you might find a different prima
facie speed limit. That was her reason for questioning it in the first place.
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Mi. Johnson stated that the speed survey was taken a quarter mile east of El Fuerte Street on
Poinsettia Lane, so that location is between El Fuerte Street and Melrose Drive, as indicated on the
Engineering and Traffic Survey form. After a speed limit is determined and City Council takes
action and signs are placed upon the road, then staff will resurvey the road and prepare a new
Engineering and Traffic Survey. On the Engineering and Traffic Survey under Prevailing Data, it
indicates no posted speed limit. Once there is a posted limit, staff will redo the survey and the new
results are sent to Lt. Rawson at the Carlsbad Police Department. Critical speeds change, perhaps
one mile per hour, and on rare occasions, two miles per hour. Posting the roadway generally does not
affect the critical speed to any great extent.
Commissioner Bradshaw asked how soon the new survey would be conducted after the 50 mph signs
were posted.
Mi. Johnson responded and said that usually after the signs are posted it is within 60-90 days,
depending on the staff workloads.
Commissioner Cress asked what the posted speed limit was on Poinsettia Lane west of El Camino
Real.
Mr. Johnson responded that immediately west of El Camino Real on Poinsettia Lane there was no
posted speed limit. It is a divided road, so it would have a 65-mile per hour maximum speed limit.
Poinsettia Lane terminates about a quarter of a mile west of El Camino Real. It does not go through
yet. The future section of Poinsettia Lane is called Reach “E” which needs to connect Cassia Road to
that terminus point that has been referred to.
MOTION:
ACTION:
VOTE:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
Motion by Vice-Chair Gardner, and duly seconded by Commissioner
Cress, to recommend that a prima facie speed limit of 50 miles per
hour be established upon Poinsettia Lane fiom El Camino Real to
Melrose Drive.
Dorsey, Gardner, Cress, Roney, Bradshaw
None
None
5-0-0
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ITEM 7: REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS
None.
ITEM 8: REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER
Mr. Johnson stated that the next regular meeting of the Traffic Safety Commission would be held on
the second Monday of the month, on January 9,2006 at 3:OO p.m. in the City Council Chambers, due
to the frrst Monday of the month being an observed holiday.
Mr. Johnson mentioned that the Minutes Clerk had got married over the Thanksgiving holiday, so
the new name on the minutes would now be Ruth Woodbeck.
Mr. Johnson wished the Traffic Safety Commission and the Minutes Clerk a happy holiday. It has
been a very busy year and the Commission has handled a number of items very well. Next year
should be very busy as well.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion Chair Dorsey adjourned the Regular Meeting of December 5,2005 at 4:04 p.m.
Respectfdly submitted,
&A- LcjdhdL
Ruth Woodbeck
Minutes Clerk