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MEETING OF:
DATE OF MEETING:
TIME OF MEETING:
PLACE OF MEETING:
TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
June 5,2006 (Regular Meeting)
3:00 p.m.
City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Chair Dorsey called the Meeting to order at 3:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present:
Absent:
Staff Members Present:
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
May 1,2006
ACTION:
VOTE:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
Chair Steve Dorsey
Vice-Chair Susan Gardner
Commissioner Gordon Cress
Commissioner Guy Roney
Commissioner Bonnie Bradshaw
None
Robert Johnson, Deputy City Engineer, Transportation
Lt. Don Rawson, Carlsbad Police Department
Motion by Commissioner Roney, and duly seconded by
Commissioner Cress, to approve the minutes of the regular meeting
of May 1, 2006 as presented.
5-0-0
Dorsey, Gardner, Cress, Roney, Bradshaw
None
None
ITEM 4 - ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
None.
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ITEM 5 - PREVIOUS BUSINESS:
Bob Johnson, Deputy City Engineer, informed the Commission that at the May 1,2006 TSC meeting
the Commission recommended the establishment of a stop control on Hillyer Street/Lynch Court
intersection. That item is scheduled for City Council consideration June 7, 2006 to approve that
recommendation and introduce an ordinance to install a stop sign on Hillyer Street at Lynch Court.
In addition, the Commission's recommendation to establish a 40 mile per hour prima facie speed
limit on Aston Avenue from College Boulevard to Rutherford Road is scheduled for City Council
consideration June 13,2006 to introduce the ordinance to establish that speed limit on Aston Avenue
from College Boulevard to Rutherford Road.
ITEM 6 - NEW BUSINESS:
ITEM 6A: Request to establish a prima facie speed limit upon Camino Junipero from
Rancho Santa Fe Road to its terminus at Avenida Ampola.
Mr. Johnson stated that this item is a request to establish a prima facie speed limit upon Camino
Junipero from Rancho Santa Fe Road to its terminus at Avenida Ampola as indicated on the
overhead, Exhibit 1. This segment of Camino Junipero from Rancho Santa Fe Road to its terminus is
approximately .56 miles in length. It is a modified major arterial on the Circulation Element of the
General Plan. It has a curb-to-curb width of 64 feet as opposed to the standard 82 feet, but it is still
classified as a major arterial on the Circulation Element. Immediately east of Rancho Santa Fe Road
there is a raised landscaped median of approximately 150 feet. The remainder of the road has a
stripped median that separates the four travel lanes, two travel lanes in each direction.
On Exhibit 1, Mr. Johnson pointed out that there are three street intersections. Each of the side
streets are controlled by stop signs. There are two driveways to the east of Avenida Maravilla
serving as trail access and access to the SDG&E easement. At the terminus of Avenida Amapola
there currently exists an M-9 barricade, a wooden barricade the width of the road with part of the
barricade being a chain link fence. The road will be extended into the future as development on the
northerly side and a small portion on the south side is developed. There is no date at this time as to
when that will happen. It is a private developer project and it will move forward at a time when they
are ready to do so. Rancho Santa Fe Road at Camino Junipero is a signaled intersection. There are no
other controls on Camino Junipero except for stop signs on the side streets.
Mr. Johnson indicated that a traffic count conducted on May 9, 2006 measured the average daily
traffic on Camino Junipero at approximately 2,022 vehicles. As development continues in this area,
that volume will increase. Staff conducted a speed survey on Camino Junipero on May 9,2006 to
obtain data to calculate the critical speed of vehicles, the critical speed being the 85th percentile
speed. The critical speed on Camino Junipero was found to be 43 miles per hour. In accordance with
state law, an Engineering and Traffic Survey is required to be conducted to establish a prima facie
speed limit.
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Mr. Johnson stated that Camino Junipero opened to traffic in early 2005 and there have been no
reported traffic collisions on this roadway. Based upon the results of the Engineering and Traffic
Survey, the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee recommends establishing a 45 mile per hour
prima facie speed limit upon Camino Junipero from Rancho Santa Fe Road to its terminus at
Avenida Ampola. The road is currently unposted and because it is a four-lane divided roadway it has
a maximum speed limit of 65 miles per hour. Setting a prima facie speed limit of 45 miles per hour is
lowering that maximum speed limit.
DISCUSSION:
Commissioner Bradshaw stated that her former employer used to round down. If the 85th percentile
came in at 44 miles per hour, they would round down to 40 miles per hour. She asked if the
Commission would consider this to be posted at 40 miles per hour.
Mr. Johnson explained that the new Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices and Caltrans 2003
Supplement to the MUTCD recommends that that the speed limit be posted to the nearest 5 mile
increment to the critical speed. In this case, that would be 45 miles per hour.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY:
Mr. Tom Dawson, 3555 Camino Cereza, Carlsbad, stated that he was attending the meeting to put a
resident personal face on this issue. He stated that Camino Junipero is an interesting street as it was
established as an arterial, when it really isn't. It goes to the end, and there are no plans to have it
connect as an arterial roadway anywhere. To the residents, it is a residential street. There are
residents and trailways on both sides of the street. There are driveways and active trails that families
walk across the street to get to.
Mr. Dawson understood that a traffic study was conducted that found the average speed to be
approximately 43 miles per hour. He felt that a large percentage of that is associated with people
coming for construction, trucks that come through there, rather than the residents that live there and
the people that perhaps six months from now when most of the construction is finished, people who
live there are going to drive well below that speed limit. While it may be necessary to establish a
speed limit today, he was hopeful that it could be reviewed again six months from now, so drivers
don't get the impression that this is an arterial when he doesn't feel that it really is. It's their
backyard.
Seeing no others to address the Commission, Chair Dorsey closed public testimony.
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DISCUSSION:
Vice-Chair Gardner mentioned that this did not appear to be a true Galician curve, and when the
traffic study was conducted, there were some groups traveling faster and some slower, so it may be
that there are two groups of travelers on that road. She asked the Commission if it can be reviewed
again after construction is completed.
Mr. Johnson replied that the speed limit can be reviewed if there are changed conditions or
approximately every five years when the speed survey needs to be updated; a review is conducted at
that time. If the Commission believes that a review is necessary hi six months that would also take
place. Again, the critical speed includes residents on the streets also, and that is why the 43 mile per
hour determination was found on that particular street. As the Commission has discussed many
times, drivers operate their vehicles at what they consider to be a reasonable and prudent speed on
the roadway, taking into account the conditions on the roadway.
Commissioner Bradshaw asked if it is posted at 45 miles per hour now and evaluated in a year from
now, odds are that that 85th percentile is going to go up, not down. So if it gets posted at 40 miles per
hour, then in time, it may go up to 45 miles per hour. But if it is posted at 45 miles per hour, then it's
going to go up to 50 or 55 miles per hour.
Mr. Johnson answered that was not proven by any previous studies. Drivers drive at what they feel is
a reasonable and prudent speed. Just as the speed limit now on Camino Junipero is 65 miles per
hour, it's unposted, but the critical is 43 miles per hour, and drivers operate their vehicles at what
they feel to be a reasonable and prudent speed based on the conditions on the roadway. Staff finds
this to be the case consistently. If a re-evaluation takes place after the road is posted at 45 miles per
hour, the critical speed may go up one mile per hour, but it doesn't jump from 43 miles per hour to
50 or 55 miles per hour.
Chair Dorsey asked Lt. Rawson if we were to adopt 40 miles per hour as the speed limit, despite the
fact that studies says it should be 45 miles per hour, what impact would that have to the
enforceability of the speed limit?
Lt. Rawson replied that they were going to write tickets whether the speed limit is 40 miles per hour
or 45 miles per hour. Typically police will not writing tickets until 11 — 12 miles per hour over the
posted limit. Even at 40 miles per hour limit, they wouldn't get ticketed below 51 miles per hour.
And none of the vehicles came hi above that. The police could do enforcement at 40 or 45 miles per
hour, but as Mr. Dawson explained, as the area continues to develop and the need for police tune
increases because of the volume of traffic, it can be revisited. He has had two complaints of speed on
Camino Junipero. hi fact, it was Mr. Dawson who made one of the complaints. One of the calls was
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about a race. It was probably due to the newness of the road and it was the middle of the night and
dark out, but the other person reported a Porsche that came every morning out of the east end of the
development who was racing their Porsche to the signal light to try to beat it. The police have not
found them yet. The police, with due diligence, will get to their area. Based on this survey, it is
inconsequential to the police department whether the speed limit is 40 or 45 miles per hour.
MOTION:
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Cress, and duly seconded by Commissioner
Roney, to recommend establishing a 45 mile per hour prima facie
speed limit upon Camino Junipero from Rancho Santa Fe Road to its
terminus at Avenida Ampola..
VOTE: 5-0-0
AYES: Dorsey, Gardner, Cress, Roney, Bradshaw
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
Chair Dorsey recommended that when conditions change on Camino Junipero, the speed limit be
revisited in terms of a new study.
ITEM 6B: Review the revised TSC procedure rules and take appropriate action.
Mr. Johnson said that this was a continued item from the March 6,2006 Traffic Safety Commission
meeting. Its purpose was to review the draft of the Traffic Safety Commission Rules and Procedures
that had been prepared by Commissioner Bradshaw. At the January 9, 2006 Traffic Safety
Commission meeting, the Commission adopted Resolution 2006-1, the rules and procedures that had
been in place for a number of years. A rewrite occurred by Commissioner Bradshaw and the
Commission reviewed that rewrite at the March 6, 2006 TSC meeting with some comments and
revisions to that document. The document has been revised and provided for the Commission's
further review hi a redline/strikeout version. There were few changes from the March 6, 2006
meeting, but they are interspersed throughout the new Resolution 2006-2.
Mr. Johnson stated that the document is intended to help the Commission conduct meetings. For
instance, if there are certain points during the meeting where clarification is needed or some type of
rule or procedure needs to be followed. That is the main purpose of the document. The document
does not go to City Council for approval. The document is also given to each new Traffic Safety
Commissioner when they are appointed by City Council to the Traffic Safety Commission. The
document would help the new commissioner to understand what rules and procedures the Traffic
Safety Commission follows at each meeting. A number of sections in the currently approved
Resolution 2006-1 were eliminated by the rewrite. The Commission should therefore be sure they
are comfortable with what has been deleted so that the document, the draft Resolution 2006-2,
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contains all of the information that the Commission desires. The document is formally reviewed
once per year, but it can also be reviewed several times throughout the year if it is appropriate. One
way to proceed with this current draft document is to approve it. If the Commission wants additional
changes, new revisions, or additions, it can be addressed at some time in the future.
DISCUSSION:
Vice-Chair Gardner stated that she had been absent from the March 6, 2006 Traffic Safety
Commission meeting and had a question that may or may not have been covered then. Her question
was in Section 6 on Oral Communications where a total of fifteen minutes is allowed for all
communications. Is this something that has always been done? Was this based upon some other
document?
Mr. Johnson explained that the fifteen minutes was something that City Council allocates for all oral
communications as part of the agenda in which someone can speak to the Council under items that
pertain to the City but that are not on the agenda. The same applies to the Commission where
someone could address the Commission on a non-agenda item. The fifteen minutes has been
traditional with the Planning Commission and City Council. That's why it was incorporated into the
Traffic Safety Commission's Rules and Procedures many years ago when this document was created
in the early 90's. It is part of the agenda and if the Commission feels the time is too long or too short,
it could be modified. Over the past 20 years that Mr. Johnson has been the Traffic Engineer, they
have not had five individuals or used up fifteen minutes other than when it has been hard to get
somebody to stop their three minutes and it is stretched into many more minutes. It has worked very
well at fifteen minutes. It is a length of time, however, that the Commission could modify if desired.
Vice-Chair Gardner responded that it wasn't really the fifteen minutes that has been the problem, but
the 5 minutes on agenda items. Under Item 8, New Business, and inviting people to the podium for 5
minutes - where does that come from?
Mr. Johnson clarified that this would be standard operating procedures for the City Council,
Planning Commission, and Public Parks and Recreation Commission. Most other commissions allow
individuals 5 minutes to speak and state what they would like them to hear. It has worked very well
and is at the discretion of the Chair if he or she would want to give an additional time, another
minute or two for the individual to conclude - that happens often at City Council meetings and even
Planning Commission meetings. The thinking is that in five minutes somebody has had time to get
their point across. Depending on the issue, when there are multiple speakers, they are usually talking
on different parts of their concern so that it is not repeated over and over. There is a mechanism if
there is a formal presentation by a group to go up to 15 to 20 minutes by requesting that amount of
time since they are representing a group. That has happened for several Traffic Safety Commission
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items over the last two or three years where the Commission has heard a presentation that has lasted
about 15 or 20 minutes. Again, it is something that can be modified for what the Commission wants.
On agenda items, Mr. Johnson stated, there is no limit on the number of speakers. The five minutes
is set, but if the room was packed and there were 25 or 30 or 50 people that wanted to speak, they are
all allowed to speak. Some items over the years have had a number of speakers and the meeting has
been rather lengthy. The intent is that everyone that wants to speak on an agenda item has the
opportunity. It is the Public Comment period under Oral Communications where it is limited to
fifteen minutes. There was some discussion at the March 6, 2006 Traffic Safety Commission
meeting that if there were a number of speakers that wanted to speak under Oral Comment, there
could be an additional Oral Comment period at the end of the agenda, which is what City Council
does. City Council has Oral Communications early in the meeting and they take five speakers three
minutes each. When that fifteen minutes is up, if there are additional speakers then they have the
opportunity to speak at the end of the meeting after all of the agenda items have taken place.
Mr. Johnson commented that the Agenda could be structured the same way for the Traffic Safety
Commission by providing additional time for Oral Communications at the end of the Agenda. There
has not been this type of problem hi the past. If there were seven individuals that wanted to speak
under Oral Communications in the fifteen minute period, the Chair has the prerogative to give each
one two minutes instead of three minutes, or to stretch it to twenty minutes, giving the seven
speakers 3 minutes. There is a lot of flexibility that the Chair has, subject to the approval of the
Commission. It is typical when the fifteen minutes has expired and there are an additional one or two
people, to ask the Commission if it is the pleasure of the Commission to hear this additional speaker
under Oral Communications. The Commission has always agreed in the past to do that. Again, these
are guidelines; they're considered rules and procedures, but there is some flexibility depending on
the item. It provides a measure of control to the meeting so that the meeting operates in a structured,
professional manner, and it helps the Chan- and the Commission to have a document like this.
Commissioner Bradshaw said that under Item 13 Legal Guidelines that the Ralph M. Brown Act has
been relocated from the federal guidelines to the state guidelines. But the Brown Act had four
subsets. Can they be relocated or deleted?
Mr. Johnson replied that they could be moved under the state guidelines.
Commissioner Bradshaw asked if the draft copy of Resolution 2006-2, where it has the
strikeout/delete marked, would the final copy be cleaned up or would the Commission still see the
additions and deletions.
Mr. Johnson replied that the final document that the Commission receives would be a clean copy. It
would not be a redline/strikeout version. The reason it was provided to the Commission in this
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format was to make it easier for the Commission to see what has been deleted or added. Subject to
moving the four subsets underneath, if that were the only change, the Commission would approve it
and the Commission would receive a clean copy with that switch in that Section 13. Then the Chair
would sign the Resolution.
Commissioner Bradshaw asked if those subsets should be lettered "A-B-C-D" rather than "1-2-3-4".
Chair Dorsey stated probably not since there was a sentence preceding the subsets stating the legal
precedence.
Commissioner Bradshaw agreed.
MOTION:
ACTION: Motion by Vice-Chair Gardner, and duly seconded by Commissioner
Cress, to recommend the proposed revisions to the procedure rules
contained in the second draft with the one change of moving the four
Brown Act subsets to be under state guidelines.
VOTE: 5-0-0
AYES: Dorsey, Gardner, Cress, Roney, Bradshaw
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
Mr. Johnson said that staff would make the change and have the Chair sign the Resolution 2006-2,
and then signed copies will be sent to the Commissioners.
ITEM 7: REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS
Chair Dorsey asked why a new Chairman was elected hi July rather than in June.
Mr. Johnson replied that the election of the Chair can be at any time that the Commission desires.
Chair Dorsey asked if it was ever done hi June, or has it always just worked out that way.
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Mr. Johnson replied that there have been times that it has been in June, and there are other times that
it has occurred, depending on when meetings have been cancelled. The goal is to try to elect in June.
It was not on the agenda for today, so it will go on the agenda for July.
Vice-Chair Gardner asked when new Commissioners take office. Would they be involved in the
election if it took place in June when they first take office in July?
Mr. Johnson stated that any Commissioner can vote for themselves when it conies time to elect a
Chair and a Vice-Chair, or in some cases, the person has abstained. But it doesn't matter when it
occurs, you can vote for whomever you would like, including yourself. For instance, if Vice-Chair
Gardner was nominated to be the Chair, then she could vote for herself or she could abstain.
Vice-Chair Gardner clarified that when there is a replacement or someone's term is up at the end of
June, so that their replacement starts the beginning of July. So if they were to be involved hi this
election, the Commission would have to wait for them to come in July.
Mr. Johnson replied that the Chair serves until replaced. So it isn't strictly cut-off in June. If there is
a July meeting or August meeting and for some reason we don't have a quorum, and that has
happened in the past, then that person serves until there is an election and someone else takes over.
The Commission in the past typically wanted all five Commissioners at the meeting to make that
determination. He recalled a case that stretched out for six months because each meeting there was a
different person missing, so there were six meetings in a row where there were only four
Commissioners, but each time it was someone different missing.
Chair Dorsey asked if all Commissioners' terms expired in June.
Mr. Johnson stated that they did not. He also said that usually when a Commissioner's appointment
is to be renewed, he gets notification from the City Clerk's office to remind the Commissioner so
that if they had an additional four years on their term, to send in a letter to Mayor Lewis indicating a
preference to be reappointed or not. The Commission is set up where three terms expire at one time
and two at another time. He didn't recall it being staggered over a 5 year period of each of the
Commissioners.
Commissioner Cress asked if there will be an election in July for a new Chair and Vice-Chair.
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Mr. Johnson stated that there would be an election in July. That item is typically at the end of the
agenda, but if the Commission prefers to move it up to the first item, elect a new Chair and then have
that person take over at that meeting, it is the Commission's prerogative, or the current Chair could
preside over the entire meeting, and then after the election, after the meeting is over, the new Chair
would take over the next month. So there's flexibility on how to handle this matter.
ITEMS: REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER
Mr. Johnson stated that the next regular meeting of the Traffic Safety Commission was scheduled to
be held on July 3, 2006 at 3:00 p.m. in the City Council Chambers. This year July 4th falls on a
Tuesday and with the meeting being held on Monday, July 3rd, he wanted to know if the majority of
the Commissioners would be available for the July 3rd meeting. Right now, staff is working on some
items that may or may not be ready for that meeting, so the July 3rd meeting may be cancelled.
All Commissioners stated that they would be available if a meeting were to be held on July 3, 2006.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion Chair Dorsey adjourned the Regular Meeting of June 5, 2006 at 3:32 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Ruth Woodbeck
Minutes Clerk