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MEETING OF:
DATE OF MEETING:
TIME OF MEETING:
PLACE OF MEETING:
TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
February 4,2008 (Regular Meeting)
3:00 p.m.
City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Chair Roney called the Meeting to order at 3:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present:
Absent:
Staff Members Present:
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
December 3,2007
ACTION:
VOTE:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
Chair Guy Roney
Commissioner Steve Dorsey
Commissioner Jack Gumming
Vice-Chair Gordon Cress
Commissioner Susan Gardner
Robert Johnson, City Engineer
Carlton Urban, Deputy City Engineer, Transportation
Doug Blise, Traffic Signal Systems Engineer
John Kim, Associate Engineer, Transportation
Lt. Don Rawson, Carlsbad Police Department
Motion by Commissioner Cumming, and duly seconded by
Commissioner Dorsey, to approve the minutes of the regular meeting
on December 3,2007 as presented.
3-0-0
Roney, Dorsey, Cumming
None
None
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January 7,2008
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Dorsey, and duly seconded by
Commissioner Gumming, to approve the minutes of the regular
meeting on January 7,2008 as presented.
VOTE: 2-0-1
AYES: Dorsey, Gumming
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Roney
ITEM 4 - ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
None.
ITEM 5 - PREVIOUS BUSINESS:
None.
ITEM 6 - NEW BUSINESS:
ITEM 6A: Investigate the need to install a stop sign on Contour Place at its intersection
with Strata Drive.
Mr. Johnson introduced Associate Engineer, John Kim, who will present the staff report.
Mr. Kim informed the Commission that the purpose of this item is to investigate the need to install a
stop sign on Contour Place at its intersection with Strata Drive. To clarify, there will be some future
associated work in this area, such as installing a painted crosswalk across Strata Drive as well as
Contour Place, a pedestrian ramp at the pathway to the school grounds, and associated Pedestrian
Crossing Warning signs. The stop sign issue is the only subject of this staff report since it requires an
ordinance to be adopted by the City Council for approval.
Mr. Kim explained that Contour Place intersects Strata Drive in a T-intersection configuration in a
school zone. It is located in a residential area with Contour Place being considered the stem of the T-
intersection. Strata Drive is the top of the T. The intersection is currently uncontrolled. Contour
Place and Strata Drive are both local streets located within the Calavera Hills residential
development and both are unclassified on the Circulation Element of the General Plan. These streets
serve a residential neighborhood comprised of single-family homes. Strata Drive provides access to
and from Tamarack Avenue while Contour Place is a cul-de-sac having 18 single-family homes. On
the north side of Strata Drive, directly opposite of Contour Place, there is a publicly accessible
concrete path that provides access to both Calavera Hills Elementary School and Calavera Hills
Middle School.
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Staff recently received a citizen request for a painted crosswalk on Strata Drive at Contour Place due
to the number of school pedestrians crossing Strata Drive during school beginning and end times.
Studies were conducted by staff and peak hour vehicle/pedestrian counts indicated significant
numbers of school pedestrians crossing Strata Drive. Based on staff observations, pedestrians
crossing either the west or east leg of Strata Drive were dropped off by vehicles stopping on the
southerly curb of Strata Drive in the vicinity of Contour Place. Pedestrians were also dropped off on
the north side of Strata Drive, but were not included hi the counts since they did not cross either
Strata Drive or Contour Place. In the morning there was a combined 90 pedestrians crossing Strata
Drive on either leg of which 90 were either middle school students or elementary age pedestrians, hi
the after school peak hours, there is a combined 84 pedestrians that were either of middle school or
elementary age.
Based on staff observations, it was determined that a painted school crosswalk across Strata Drive
would designate a preferred pedestrian crossing. The work to install the crosswalk includes a new
pedestrian ramp on the north side of Strata Drive' to accommodate the disabled per ADA
requirements. Construction will be performed by City forces in the near future prior to the painting
of the crosswalks, and is not the subject of this staff report.
Mr. Kim explained that in order to assign the right-of-way at the proposed crosswalk, staff
recommends that a stop sign be installed on Contour Place at Strata Drive. The California MUTCD
indicates that a stop sign should be considered at the "intersection of a less important road with a
main road where application of the normal right-of-way would not be expected to provide reasonable
compliance with the law." This would reinforce the right-of-way assignment at the intersection.
After a stop sign is established on Contour Place at Strata Drive, staff intends to install the pedestrian
ramp and then paint a crosswalk across Contour Place to encourage pedestrians to use the marked
crosswalk across Strata Drive. Exhibit 2 shows the location of the proposed stop sign. Staff
conducted a warrant analysis for an all-way stop at this intersection and none of the warrants for an
all-way stop were satisfied.
Based on the study results and staff observations, stop signs for both directions on Strata Drive at
Contour Place are not recommended. Staff will continue to monitor the situation after the proposed
changes are implemented. The Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee recommends the installation
of a stop sign on Contour Place at its intersection with Strata Drive. The City Council must adopt an
ordinance to establish the stop control as recommended.
Public Testimony:
Chair Roney called for Public Testimony.
Sarah Anderson, 3615 Contour Place, Carlsbad, thanked the Commission for addressing this issue
because she and other residents have been concerned for quite awhile with the traffic situation,
especially in the mornings and afternoons when elementary and middle school students are coming
and going. Ms. Anderson submitted pictures for the Commission to review in order to help explain
where their concerns are coming from. Residents have found that the side park where students are
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coming and going is extremely congested. There is poor visibility for the children. She loves the idea
of the stop signs. The more the merrier, because they find that cars frequently speed through Strata
Drive where the drop off and pick up is. Cars are not just coming and picking up and unloading;
most of the parents are stopping and parking, even double-parking, and are backed up along Contour
Place as well as Strata Drive for 10 or 15 minutes waiting for their children to come out from school.
The children are leaving the side park and stepping out between closely parked vehicles. Quite a few
people drive SUVs and from a small child's visibility standpoint, they can't see between those cars.
The children are stepping out between large vehicles and trying to get out from that side park. The
crosswalk is great, but sometimes people park right on the crosswalk, depending on who is driving
and what they feel like doing.
Ms. Anderson stated that what the residents would like to propose is to keep the side completely
visible and open for the students. Something that would be extremely low cost would be to paint that
area of curb red and to say No Parking at Any Time. This would constrain the parents coming to
pick up then* children from stopping in that area. At least that would leave that area visible for small
children to be able to find their way to the crosswalk. Parents will try to educate their children to use
the crosswalk, but they know that some students will still dart across the street. One mother
complained that her son was almost hit last week. The police were called and they responded the
next day to monitor the situation. The residents realize that the police can't be there every single day
to monitor the situation, and that's not what they are asking for. Residents appreciate periodically if
a police officer comes and takes a look.
Continuing, Ms. Anderson proposed not only the red zone, but possibly some school zone sign or
light or something that signifies that students will be crossing ahead - a sign stating "10 miles per
hour while students present," or something like that. A stop sign on Contour Place will probably
help, but it will not stop the speeding of vehicles down Strata Drive, and it won't help with the
visibility right outside that side park. The red paint would certainly be a very economical way of
considering what the City could do as an addition.
Ms. Anderson asked if today's meeting was just for a crosswalk and a stop sign.
Mr. Kim responded that today's meeting was just for a stop sign.
Shannon Durbin-Yates, 3623 Contour Place, Carlsbad, stated that she supported everything that Ms.
Anderson stated. She wanted an explanation as to why three stop signs not appropriate at this tune
and only one is, because her greatest concern is that a stop sign just on Contour Place will not slow
people down. Strata Drive is a speedy thoroughfare right now. If there were stop signs on all three
corners, she could understand how that would slow the flow of traffic, plus having increased
visibility of the areas that Ms. Anderson talked about with making that front area open. Where one
stop sign on a cul-de-sac that has no outlet, she doesn't understand how that is going slow the traffic
down. That is her concern. She is amazed at the speed with which drivers race through Strata Drive
to go all the way through.
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Seeing no others wishing to testify, Chair Roney closed Public Testimony.
DISCUSSION:
Commissioner Dorsey asked if installing crosswalks required City Council action.
Mr. Kim stated that they did not.
Commissioner Dorsey asked if painting a curb red requires City Council action or an ordinance.
Mr. Johnson replied that installing painted crosswalks, red curbs, or school zone signing that would
accompany the painted crosswalks does not require City Council action. What does require City
Council action is approval of a stop sign. That's why this item is before the Commission for a
recommendation.
Commissioner Dorsey asked if the addition of the other two stop signs that were not warranted,
would not be a speed control device anyway?
Mr. Kim replied that a stop sign is not meant for speed control. Its purpose is to assign the right-of-
way. Staff did the studies in conjunction with an all-way stop warrant, and the intersection did not
meet those warrants for an all-way stop.
Mr. Johnson added that if speeding on Strata Drive is a concern, as the Commission is well aware of,
Carlsbad has the Carlsbad Residential Traffic Management Program. That is the program to address
speeding in a residential area. After this meeting, Mr. Kim can talk with Ms. Anderson and Ms.
Durbin-Yates briefly about that in more detail. Staff can mail a copy of that program to each of them
they can review and then they can get in touch with staff. Associate Engineer, Jim Murray, is the
person that addresses traffic calming issues. With a written request to staff, staff can start addressing
speeding issues.
A stop sign is not installed to control speeding. The City Council has specifically approved the fact
that stop signs will not be used for speed control. That is indicated in the Carlsbad Residential
Traffic Management Program. When a particular intersection, like the one under discussion today,
does not meet one or more warrants as contained in the California Manual on Uniform Traffic
Control Devices (MUTCD) that is an indication that based on all of the factors in the MUTCD the
stop sign is not needed.
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The stop sign on Contour Place is not intended to address speeding on Strata Drive. It does assign
right-of-way for those left-turn vehicles so that the driver has to first stop, look both ways, look to
see if there is a pedestrian in the future painted crosswalk, and then negotiate the left turn. Current
right-of-way assignment takes place at an uncontrolled intersection as it exists today in this location.
However, there may be a tendency for a driver turning from Contour Place to make their left turn at
a relatively low speed and not be cognizant of a pedestrian hi a striped crosswalk. That is why that
proposed stop sign is being brought to the Commission for a recommendation.
Commissioner Gumming stated that he visited the site and looked at the park that is a primary access
to the school. He saw no signage in the area indicating that there was a school. There were no
limitations on parking. There was nothing limiting parking on school days, for example, or during
school hours. He would like to see this item carried over so there can be a little more study. He felt
this was a disaster waiting to happen. There is parking allowed all along the street. Some of the
people are parked to let children off, some are double-parked to let children off, and then the
children are coming out from between parked cars into the flow of traffic to go to the school. His
feeling is that they owe it the children to protect them and safeguard and uphold them.
Commissioner Gumming understands the concerns with an all-way stop, that we need'uniform
standards of traffic control, and we want to minimize the interruptions of traffic flow, and want to
use it to assign right-of-way, and right-of-way can mean right-of-way among conflicting vehicles.
Here we have a right-of-way control problem where the people who have the right-of-way are little
people who are emerging from parked cars to cross an unprotected roadway without a crossing
guard, without any crossing protection, and without any redlining.
Commissioner Gumming stated that some of the residents told him there were thoughts of having
resident volunteers act as crossing guards at mis site. Others said there were thoughts of doing night
painting of red curbs so there could be a safe drop-off zone. Drop-off zones for schools are a major
challenge, so he has to believe there have been practices that have been developed that can make the
drop-off safer than what they're seeing here and safer than what he believes it would be if staff
moved forward to complete what is proposed today. Without the parking being addressed, without
the drop-off problem fully being addressed-just addressing the vehicle right-of-way challenge, he is
troubled by this and he favors that a motion be made to carry this item over for further study.
Chair Roney asked if Mr. Johnson could respond because it appears that there is a pedestrian and a
parking issue even though the right-of-way is being resolved. He wanted to know if the crosswalk is
going in and can the red curb be put in, and is all this going to happen in a short time period?
Mr. Johnson clarified that the item before the Commission today is the recommendation for the stop
sign. The written staff report and verbal report by Mr. Kim indicated the actions that were being
taken regarding school signage that will go in and painted crosswalks that will be installed.
Everything that Commissioner Cumming has mentioned is already in process. The first step is to
make sure a stop sign is installed. The Commission needs to recommend either yes or no on the stop
sign. Whatever the recommendation is would go to City Council. The City Council would act and a
stop sign may be approved. Then staff would follow-up with that painted crosswalk and school
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signing. There is certain signing that takes place with painted lines on the roadway versus non-
painted lines. The speed management is a different program and the need for the red curb would also
be assessed at the time of the installation of the crosswalks. This is a very typical example of how
school zone signing and striping is handled. Staff is already initiating all of those other items. The
one item the Commission does need to address today is the stop sign issue.
Commissioner Gumming asked if the community wants to have input into the larger picture, what is
the proper format.
Chair Roney answered that Mr. Johnson stated what was already in process, including the crosswalk
and the school signage. The red curbing is a separate issue.
Mr. Johnson added that the red curbing would be looked at in conjunction with the painted
crosswalks and the proximity of the driveways. Mr. Kim has been studying the situation and there
has to be an assessment. After the improvements go in, if there needs to be additional traffic control
devices installed, it will be looked at.
Chair Roney stated that Mr. Kim and Mr. Murray would follow-up and work with the community
members, so it isn't just dying if they vote on the parking sign. There is activity going on separate
from what the Commission is doing.
Mr. Johnson replied that the community could certainly call Mr. Kim and ask what is happening and
provide their input. There is no reason to slow down the process to bring it back to the Commission
at a future meeting when these items are currently in process and the items were initiated by the local
community. Therefore, staff would like to move it forward.
MOTION:
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Gumming, and duly seconded by
Commissioner Dorsey, to recommend the installation of a stop sign
on Contour Place at its intersection with Strata Drive.
VOTE: 3-0-0
AYES: Roney, Dorsey, Gumming
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
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ITEM 6B: Establish a prima facie speed limit upon Lionshead Avenue from Melrose Drive
to the east city limit.
Mr. Johnson indicated this item is a request by staff to have the Commission provide a
recommendation regarding the establishment of a prima facie speed limit on Lionshead Avenue from
Melrose Drive to the east city limit. Lionshead Avenue is a relatively new street. It is an industrial
street with a curb-to-curb width of 52 feet. Lionshead Avenue is located east of Melrose Drive and is
the first signalized intersection to the north of Palomar Airport Road. It is approximately 0.86 miles
in length with about 26 driveways that intersect the road. Some of the industrial lots that are fronting
onto the roadway have been constructed or in the process of being constructed, and others located
primarily on the south side are vacant lots.
Mr. Johnson stated that to determine the appropriate prima facie speed limit to be established, staff
conducted an Engineering and Traffic Survey as required by the California Vehicle Code. A portion
of the Engineering and Traffic Survey is to conduct a speed survey on the roadway. At two locations
on Lionshead Avenue, staff determined that the critical speed, which is the 85* percentile speed,
there was a 48 mile per hour critical speed and a 50 mile per hour critical speed. This indicates that
the prima facie speed limit should be posted at a 50 mile per hour speed limit. The collision history
is favorable. There has been one collision reported on this particular roadway. The collision rate is
lower than the statewide rate for a similar roadway. There are bike lanes on both sides of the street
and the road has been constructed to City standards with curb and gutter, sidewalk, and streetlights.
Considering all factors included in the Engineering and Traffic Survey, Mr. Johnson indicated that
the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee is recommending a prima facie speed limit of 50 miles
per hour upon Lionshead Avenue from Melrose Drive to the east city limit.
DISCUSSION:
Commissioner Gumming asked why there is a continuation of Poinsettia Avenue in Vista, which is
posted at 45 miles up to the Carlsbad boundary and beyond that, and now it would be at 50 miles per
hour if the Commission votes on that today. It is designed to be a single lane road with access areas
like driveways. The traffic condition as of now is that it is a developing area, so it is in an early
stage. A few months ago there was a similar item for Faraday Avenue from Melrose Drive to Orion.
That is two lanes in each direction posted at 40 miles per hour. At Orion you do a sort of jog and
then onto Faraday Avenue. They're not dissimilar areas. What is the consistency practice for setting
speeds within the City and thoroughfare of this sort to insure that motorists see that there is a
consistent pattern that applies? Why would Faraday Avenue be at 40 miles per hour and Lionshead
Avenue at 50 miles per hour? You're going 45 miles per hour from Vista, you get to zoom on and
swing onto Melrose Drive, and then slow down onto Faraday Avenue. Is there a logic that supports
that?
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Mr. Johnson said he'Alike to qualify that Faraday Avenue from Orion to Melrose Drive has not been
before the Traffic Safety Commission. The Commission has not provided a recommendation. There
are speed limit signs on that roadway because at the time that the roadway was opened the Police
Chief wanted speed limit signs posted and the appropriate citations could be issued by Lt. Rawson
and his staff. This speed zone will be coming to the Commission in a future meeting.
Mr. Johnson indicated that with respect to Lionshead Avenue, in Carlsbad the Carlsbad Police
Department enforces speed limits. Carlsbad speed limits have to meet the Engineering and Traffic
Survey criteria so those tickets are upheld in court. He cannot speak for Vista as to why they would
post a lower speed limit unless they believe that their portion of the road would comply with the
California Vehicle Code and the results of the Engineering and Traffic Survey. On Melrose Drive,
the Carlsbad portion from Palomar Airport Road to the north city limits is posted at 55 miles per
hour. That item came to the Commission previously. That posting is in compliance with the results
of the Engineering and Traffic Survey. However, Vista has a 50 mile per hour posting. Only the
Vista engineers can speak as to why they have a 50 mile per hour posting. In Carlsbad, with respect
to Melrose Drive, that speed limit does comply with the Engineering and Traffic Survey, so the
tickets would be upheld. The same would be applicable to Lionshead Avenue. The Traffic Safety
Coordinating Committee, which Lt. Rawson sits on, believe it is a good recommendation and that
tickets would be upheld by the Traffic Commissioner in the San Marcos court.
Mr. Johnson stated that Lionshead Avenue is an industrial street and has different design standards.
Faraday Avenue is a secondary arterial. It has different design standards from Melrose Drive, which
is a prime arterial and is the highest classification in the City of Carlsbad if you exclude the
freeways. The consistency - different roadways based on their geometric design - major and prime
arterials have raised medians, secondary arterials like Faraday Avenue for the most part do not have
a raised median. They have a striped median. The secondary arterial and a major arterial are each
two lanes in each direction, whereas a prime arterial has six lanes, three lanes in each direction.
There are different design characteristics depending on the roadway classification which may or may
not give the public an indication of consistency. Having design standards and arterial classifications
in the Circulation Element is one tiling. The results of the Engineering and Traffic Survey have to be
considered to post a speed limit. A legal speed zone gives Lt. Rawson and his staff the tools to write
tickets when they use radar and find somebody exceeding the posted speed limit.
Commissioner Gumming replied that explanation was very helpful. He apologized for having
forgotten this material that was mentioned in the staff report. Under the basic speed law, do these
speed studies get revisited every five years or so?
Mr. Johnson indicated that Engineering and Traffic Surveys were updated every 5 years or sooner if
there are changed conditions. For instance, the Commission and the City Council may take action on
Lionshead Avenue and recommend a 50 mile per hour speed limit. If for some reason a traffic signal
was installed at the intersection at Eagle Drive and Lionshead, that would be a changed condition
and staff would have to resurvey the road. It may or may not change the recommendation of a 50
mile per hour speed limit. If it did change, staff would have to come back to the Commission and go
back to City Council. Any time there are changed physical conditions or an increase in the collision
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history or traffic control added, whether an all-way stop or traffic signal, staff would have to update
the Engineering and Traffic Survey. If there are basically no changed conditions, then staff updates
the survey every five years.
MOTION:
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Gumming, and duly seconded by
Commissioner Dorsey, to establish a 50 mile per hour prima facie
speed limit upon Lionshead Avenue from Melrose Drive to the east
city limit.
VOTE: 3-0-0
AYES: Roney, Dorsey, Gumming
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ITEM 6C: Review, comment upon, and approve the TSC rules and procedures, and adopt
TSC Resolution No. 2008-1.
Commissioner Dorsey stated that in view of the Commission absentees at this meeting, he moved
that this item be continued to the next meeting.
MOTION:
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Dorsey, and duly seconded by
Commissioner Cumming, to continue this item until the next
regularly scheduled meeting of the Traffic Safety Commission.
VOTE: 3-0-0
AYES: Roney, Dorsey, Cumming
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ITEM 7: REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS
Commissioner Cumming suggested that the Commission adopt a resolution of condolence for
Gordon Cress and best wishes to him and his illness. Beyond that, he wanted to welcome the new
Associates and wish them well in their new positions.
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Mr. Johnson indicated that the way to handle this was a minute motion and then he could send
something to Commission Cress, such as condolences or speed recovery. Typically, a minute motion
is how this would be handled.
Commissioner Dorsey asked if it wouldn't be easier to just send a get well card to Commissioner
Cress.
Mr. Johnson responded yes and he would send a get well card to Commissioner Cress on behalf of
the Commission.
ITEM 8: REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER
Mr. Johnson stated that a voicemail he received from Commissioner Gardner indicated that she
would not be able to attend today's meeting and she also indicated that because of work conflicts she
may have to resign from the Commission. It will be up to Mayor Lewis and the City Council to
appoint a replacement. That can sometimes take a couple of months.
The next regular meeting of the Traffic Safety Commission is scheduled to be held on March 3,2008
at 3:00 p.m. in the City Council Chambers. There are several items on the agenda, including an
update on the status of the Pedestrian Master Plan that is currently being worked on. It will be
presented by Marshall Plantz, Senior Civil Engineer in the Engineering Department. Thelma Hays
will be notified of the update. The Pedestrian Master Plan is being worked on, processed, and
developed by a consultant.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion Commissioner Dorsey adjourned the Regular Meeting of February 4,2008 at 3:40
p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Ruth Woodbeck
Minutes Clerk