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MEETING OF: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
DATE OF MEETING: October 6,2008 (Regular Meeting)
TIME OF MEETING: 3:00 p.m.
PLACE OF MEETING: City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Chair Cress called the Meeting to order at 3:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Chair Gordon Cress
Vice-Chair Jack Gumming
Commissioner Guy Roney
Absent: None
Staff Members Present: Robert Johnson, City Engineer
Lt. Don Rawson, Carlsbad Police Department
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
August 4,2008
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Roney, and duly seconded by Vice-Chair
Cumming, to approve the minutes of the regular meeting on August
4,2008, as presented.
VOTE: 3-0-0
AYES: Cumming, Dorsey, Roney
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
There was no Traffic Safety Commission meeting held in September 2008.
ITEM 4 - ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
None.
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ITEM 5 - PREVIOUS BUSINESS:
Robert Johnson, City Engineer, reported that based on the previous actions and recommendations by
the Traffic Safety Commission, the City Council has adopted an ordinance to establish a 35 mile per
hour prima facie limit upon Eagle Drive from Palomar Airport Road northerly to Lionshead Avenue.
Additionally, an ordinance to establish the 50 mile per hour prima facie speed limit upon Lionshead
Avenue from Melrose Drive to east city limit was adopted. Lastly, an ordinance to establish a 45
mile per hour prima facie speed limit upon Faraday Avenue from Orion Street to the east city limit
was adopted. The City Council is tentatively scheduled to introduce at the October 15th meeting an
ordinance to establish a 35 mile per hour prima facie speed limit upon El Fuerte Street from Palomar
Airport Road northerly to Faraday Avenue.
ITEM 6 - NEW BUSINESS:
ITEM 6A: Establish a prima facie speed limit upon Corte de la Vista from the El Fuerte
Street/Alicante Road intersection to its easterly terminus.
Mr. Johnson informed the Commission that this item was initiated by Karen Staros, 2910 Avenida
Valera in Carlsbad to consider establishing a prima facie speed limit upon Corte de la Vista from the
El Fuerte Street/Alicante Road intersection to its easterly terminus. Corte de la Vista has a relatively
straight horizontal alignment and is about 0.40 miles in length. Currently, because it is a two-lane
road that has no posted speed limit, the prima facie speed limit is 55 miles per hour and the
Commission is being asked to consider a lower prima facie speed limit.
Mr. Johnson explained that in accordance with the provisions of the California Vehicle Code, staff
conducted an Engineering and Traffic Survey for Corte de la Vista to determine the appropriate
prima facie speed limit. A speed survey was conducted on the road with a radar gun measuring the
speed of 100 vehicles, 50 in each direction. It was found that the 85th percentile speed or critical
speed on Corte de la Vista was 35 miles per hour. The critical speed is the speed at which 85 percent
of the drivers are traveling at or below. 85 percent of the vehicles were in the pace speed between 27
miles per hour and 37 miles per hour.
The two year accident history had no traffic collisions through December 31,2007 on Corte de la
Vista. Based upon traffic counts obtained September 3, 2008 on Corte de la Vista, the two-way
traffic volume is low and was measured at 1,057 vehicles ADT per day. Corte de la Vista is a two-
lane road that has a curb to curb width of 40 feet. There is parking on both sides of the street. There
are no striped bicycle lanes on the roadway although there are sidewalks that have been constructed
on both sides of the street with street lights installed on the north side only. There is a metal
guardrail along the entire south side of Corte de la Vista. Vertical grades on the road vary from 1.0
percent to 5.8 percent.
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Mr. Johnson stated the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee reviewed results of the Engineering
and Traffic Survey and recommend that a 35 mile per hour prima facie speed limit be established
upon Corte de la Vista from the El Fuerte Street/Alicante Road intersection to its easterly terminus.
DISCUSSION
Vice-Chair Gumming found it interesting that the City would have no jurisdiction over roads within
the gated community of Avenida Valera. That area is posted at 20 miles per hour. At the entrance
from Avenida Valera people tend to pick up momentum going down the street. He observed the
traffic and several drivers went up Avenida Valera, which is an interesting street in that it is also not
posted. It appears the process is that staff waits until a citizen comes forward and asks for a survey
and presumably no one has asked for one on Avenida Valera. He noticed that when coming down
Avenida Valera it has quite a steep curve, people maximized their speed. He tried to find parallel
situations in the City. Corte de la Vista is similar to Tamarack Avenue running eastward from
Skyline Road, so the 35 mile per hour speed limit would be consistent with that. And Avenida
Valera was similar to Tamarack Avenue westward from Skyline Road, which is posted now at 30
miles per hour, so that might be some kind of a guideline. The question is, is he correct in his
understanding that the reason Avenida Valera is not posted is because no one has requested it?
Does that mean the speed on Avenida Valera would be posted at 50 miles per hour?
Mr. Johnson explained that there are many examples where streets do not have a posted speed limit.
For residential streets, they have a prima facie 25 mile per hour speed limit and typically are not
posted. The recommendation is for a 35 mile per hour prima facie speed limit on Corte de la Vista
based on the Engineering and Traffic Survey results.
Public Testimony:
Chair Cress called for Public Testimony.
Karen Staros, 2910 Avenida Valera, Carlsbad, stated that Corte de la Vista has become quite a little
drag strip. The traffic coming down Avenida Valera speed down and use the road as a cut-through to
El Fuerte Street. She lives on Avenida Valera, which is not too far from Alicante Road and she has
had drivers pass her on the left because she was not driving fast enough for them just the short
distance to the stop sign. She is glad that a 35 mile per hour speed sign could be posted.
Ms. Staros wanted to know if there should be a center line on the street since there is no Image on
that street at all. Could there be something posted on Avenida Valera before that intersection because
it would be helpful to keep the speed down since it is downhill. Eight years ago a lady hi a van came
down that street and went through the middle of the development and down the slope through the
guardrail and took out somebody's kitchen. Maybe a little reminder on Avenida Valera would be
excellent to keep speed down.
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Mr. Johnson explained that a street with 1,000 vehicles per day would not be a candidate for a street
that needs a centerline. There is no collision history to indicate a need for a centerline. Typically,
centerlines are installed if there are crossover type collisions or head-on collisions. Anytime staff
starts to stripe streets, then it becomes a continuous maintenance and cost issue to the City.
Therefore, it would not be his recommendation based on the existing conditions on Corte de la Vista
that there would be a need for a centerline stripe. If somebody passes on the street, it is not illegal to
properly pass another vehicle on that street. He didn't know the circumstances Ms. Staros referred
to, but vehicles are allowed to pass other vehicles.
Seeing no others wishing to testify, Chair Cress closed Public Testimony.
MOTION:
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Roney, and duly seconded by Vice-Chair
Cumming, to approve the recommendation of the Traffic Safety
Coordinating Committee to establish a 35 mile per hour prima facie
speed limit upon Corte de la Vista from the El Fuerte Street/Alicante
Road intersection to its easterly terminus.
VOTE: 3-0-0
AYES: Cress, Cumming, Roney
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ITEM 6B: Establish a prima facie speed limit upon The Crossings Drive from Palomar
Airport Road to its northerly terminus.
Mr. Johnson informed the Commission that this item is to consider establishing a prima facie speed
limit upon The Crossings Drive from Palomar Airport Road to its northerly terminus. This street
does not have a prima facie speed limit established at this time, so staff took the initiative to conduct
the Engineering and Traffic Survey so that there could be consideration for establishing a prima facie
speed limit on The Crossings Drive. The Crossings Drive serves LEGOLAND, the back entrance of
the new Sheridan Hotel, and it is the primary and only access to The Crossings at Carlsbad golf
course.
Mr. Johnson commented it is basically a road with a straight alignment. Grades vary from 4.54
percent to 10 percent which is a relatively steep grade. It is also a very short roadway, 0.43 miles in
length. There has been one reported collision on The Crossings Drive for the two-year period ending
July 31,2008 but it was not speed related. The 85th percentile speed was found to be 42 miles per
hour, meaning that 85 percent of the vehicles were traveling at or below 42 miles per hour. The pace
speed, which is the 10 mile per hour increment with the highest number of vehicles, was found to be
33 miles per hour to 43 miles per hour.
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Traffic volumes are not high on this street, however, just north of Palomar Airport Road a two-way
24-hour ADT traffic volume count in July of this year found 4,709 vehicles using The Crossings
Drive. The Crossings Drive is a long cul-de-sac street that has a curb to curb width that varies
between 40 feet and 64 feet. Concrete curb and gutter is installed on both sides of the street with
concrete sidewalks installed along the west side on the northerly 425 feet of the east side. Street
lights are constructed on both sides of the street. There are six driveways that intersect the road.
Mr. Johnson stated the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee reviewed the results of the
Engineering and Traffic Survey and recommended establishing a 40 mile per hour prima facie speed
limit upon The Crossings Drive from Palomar Airport Road to its northerly terminus.
DISCUSSION
Commissioner Roney asked if Grand Pacific Drive was always going to be a thoroughfare, because
it appears that it was going to be restricted or gated in the future.
Mr. Johnson answered that his understanding was that in the very near future a gate would be
installed at The Crossings Drive so the road will not be able to be used as a shortcut from Cannon
Road to The Crossing Drive. There would be something to open the gate for emergency service
providers to access the hotel and the general public would not be able to use the road as a shortcut.
Vice-Chair Gumming shared an experiment he conducted. From the top of the street he tried to drive
the road at 40 miles per hour. He came towards Grand Pacific Drive and people are not used to
seeing a vehicle coming from that direction. He didn't think any normal person would actually
attempt to drive at 40 miles per hour on that little leg of the road. Vehicles are supposed to stop as
they come in to Grand Pacific, but they aren't used to doing that. He feels more comfortable now
that he knows there will be a gate there in the future.
MOTION:
ACTION: Motion by Vice-Chair Gumming, and duly seconded by
Commissioner Roney, to approve the recommendation of the Traffic
Safety Coordinating Committee to establish a 40 mile per hour prima
facie speed limit upon The Crossings Drive from Palomar Airport
Road to its northerly terminus.
VOTE: 3-0-0
AYES: Cress, Cumming, Roney
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
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ITEM 6C: Consider adoption of a Traffic Safety Commission Resolution of Commendation
for Steve Dorsey.
Mr. Johnson explained that this item is for the consideration of the Commission to honor one of the
former Traffic Safety Commissioners, Steve Dorsey, who resigned from the Traffic Safety
Commission in August of this year. The Resolution of Commendation is customary when a
Commissioner leaves a position on the Commission.
MOTION:
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Roney, and duly seconded by Vice-Chair
Gumming, to adopt a Traffic Safety Commission Resolution of
Commendation for Steve Dorsey for serving as a Commissioner of
the Commission since 2003.
VOTE: 3-0-0
AYES: Cress, Gumming, Roney
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ITEM 7: REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS
Vice-Chair Gumming asked Lt. Rawson about cell phone usage while driving. When the cell phone
ban was widely publicized when it first went in, he believed Carlsbad was a no-tolerance City.
Several people have reported to him that they are seeing an increase in cell phone usage while
driving, and he wanted to ask what the Police Department was doing about enforcement of cell
phone usage.
Lt. Rawson answered that when they see drivers using cell phones, they write them tickets.
Chair Cress asked if cell phones were banned when sitting at a stop sign. Can you use your cell
phone if you're not moving?
Lt. Rawson stated that technically by definition, yes, because while you are operating a vehicle, by
definition you are driving and the driver is seen as operating the vehicle. So if you are sitting at a
stop sign or red light you are still operating the vehicle by definition of the vehicle code. He has seen
several people who use their phone or text while at a red light, but he has not taken any enforcement
action on it because at least they are trying to do something that is not constantly distracting when
they are actually driving.
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Vice-Chair Cumming stated that he had an incident himself where he was crossing on a road where
there was a pedestrian crossing and he was surrounded by handicapped parking spaces, a wide area
in the middle of the street. He entered the crosswalk when a driver in a SUV made a u-turn and she
wasn't looking because she was busy talking on her cell phone.
On a separate issue, Vice-Chair Cumming had an exparte communication from Thelma Hayes. She
wanted the Commission to recognize that October 15th is White Cane Day. There is a White Cane
Law that states that a totally or partially blind pedestrian who is carrying a predominantly white cane
(with or without a red tip) or using a guide dog, shall have the right of way and the driver of any
vehicle approaching this pedestrian who fails to yield the right of way or to take all reasonable
necessary precautions to avoid injury to this blind pedestrian is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable
by jail time and/or fine. Ms. Hayes hoped that the Commission would publicize that October 15th is
White Cane Day and hopes that drivers will take great care and not come into contact with our blind
fellow citizens.
ITEM 8: REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER
Mr. Johnson commented that twice a year Carlsbad has a Citizen's Academy and Thursday is Public
Works Night. He will speak to the attendees and explain a little what the Engineering Department is
about. He will mention that the Transportation Division staff is liaison to the Traffic Safety
Commission and that there are two vacancies on the Traffic Safety Commission, if any attendee is
interested in putting their application. Mayor Lewis and the City Council will then be able to
consider those particular applications and any others that are on file. As of right now, City Council
does not have consideration of appointing anyone to the Traffic Safety Commission on the upcoming
agenda in the next several weeks.
Mr. Johnson mentioned that the next regular meeting of the Traffic Safety Commission is scheduled
to be held on November 3,2008 at 3:00 p.m. hi the City Council Chambers.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, Chair Cress adjourned the Regular Meeting of October 6,2008 at 3:26 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Ruth Woodbeck
Minutes Clerk