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MEETING OF: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
DATE OF MEETING: March 2,2009 (Regular Meeting)
TIME OF MEETING: 3:00 p.m.
PLACE OF MEETING: City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Chair Cress called the Meeting to order at 3:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Chair Gordon Cress
Vice-Chair Jack Cumming
Commissioner Guy Roney
Absent: None
Staff Members Present: Robert Johnson, City Engineer
Lt. Don Rawson, Carlsbad Police Department
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
October 6,2008
ACTION: Motion by Vice-Chair Cumming, and duly seconded by
Commissioner Roney, to approve the minutes of the regular meeting
on October 6, 2008, as presented.
VOTE: 3-0-0
AYES: Cumming, Dorsey, Roney
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
There were no Traffic Safety Commission meetings held in November and December 2008 and
January and February 2009.
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ITEM 4 - ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
Chair Cress called for comments from the public.
Thelma Hayes, 2855 Carlsbad Boulevard, Carlsbad stated that this was the 21st anniversary of the
Carlsbad City Council putting a pedestrian element hi the Traffic Safety Code. She said it was easy
to remember because the date was the same as her birthday and she was going to be 91 years old.
She indicated that it takes a patient attitude to build sidewalks and correct people's habits from years
and years. When she first started there were no sidewalks on the north side of Grand Avenue down
to State Street. There were no sidewalks between Grand Avenue on Roosevelt Avenue to the post
office. These walking areas were at the core of the redevelopment area. The City of Carlsbad has
steadily improved each year.
Not being able to see or read well, Ms. Hayes said last year's installation of talking lights was very
helpful. Ms. Hayes felt it would be nice if more talking lights could be installed on both sides of the
street and she hopes that is something that will be considered in the future. When one can't see the
light like her, it is just wonderful to have the talking lights.
Ms. Hayes stated that she is on the Buena Vista Lagoon Foundation Board. She thinks they have the
go ahead on the boardwalk that goes across the lagoon on the east side and the money to take this
step. Once they can get the safe walk across the Buena Vista Lagoon, it will be a welcome addition
to bring the Audubon Nature Center within easy reach of those who live near the redevelopment area
as well as the many visitors. It overcomes the image of Oceanside and their sidewalks right to the
border. There is no place for somebody to walk to Carlsbad.
Ms. Hayes indicated that she would like school children to have more than 1A mile radius to walk to
school and since health is such a big talking point this year, walking to help correct the obesity that
children have developed from not being able to walk safely. This is something we should work on.
Because of the lack of faculty in schools for physical education, we can help by providing safe
places for children to walk. The City needs to actively work with the schools and Police Department
to bring this about. We've talked about it, but we've done the minimum. The public always needs to
be appraised of where we are. We need to remind them what the walker's rights are. Even though the
crosswalks are marked, pedestrians need to look out for themselves because many motorists don't
think pedestrians have the right of way.
Vice-Chair Gumming asked Ms. Hayes if she walked to school when she was a youngster.
Ms. Hayes stated that she had.
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Margie Monroy, 749 B Magnolia, Carlsbad stated that when she and her husband, Mario came to
Carlsbad in 1978 they read hi the Carlsbad Journal an article about Thelma Hayes. Ms. Hayes was
very involved with fixing things up downtown. In due time she met Thelma and she managed to
involve her and her husband in a group they formed called the Pedestrian Safety Committee. They
wanted the City to acknowledge that pedestrians were part of the traffic pattern hi a city. They
worked with staff that were very cooperative with them and the City Council did adopt pedestrian
elements of the Traffic Element.
Ms. Monroy felt there have been huge improvements made and they are happy to see that. But there
are still a few issues that need to be addressed. Highland Avenue still remains a route to school for
three schools that have no sidewalks. This is an accident waiting to happen. She wanted to know if
any progress has been made in that area - is anyone even thinking about it?
Another issue is that Ms. Hayes handed her an email communication regarding a current $46-million
grant to be given to schools to encourage students to walk to school, to carpool, to adopt a buddy
system, etc. Ms. Monroy was wondering if the City has made any attempt to get information about
these grants and whether the City is going to work on an education program, which is what it would
be for parents. Could the City partner with the PTA and the school district to see if any such
programs are being made? She had a copy of the internet article that she will give to Mr. Johnson.
Chair Cress asked where the $46-million was coming from.
Ms. Monroy answered that the money was coming from the State of California.
Chair Cress asked if it was to the Carlsbad School District.
Ms. Monroy answered it was not—it was statewide. Applications have to be made in order to get the
grant. She just wanted to be sure someone is following up on this.
Chair Cress asked Mr. Johnson if he knew of any capital improvement programs that are set for
possible sidewalks on Highland Drive.
Mr. Johnson replied that the issue of sidewalks on Highland Drive was addressed about ten years ago
with the Street and Sidewalk Committee. The residents at that time did not want sidewalks on
Highland Drive. Consequently, the City Council approved the report and the program where there
are "compatible streets" where future sidewalks will be built as they currently exist on the street.
There are "alternative streets" which would require the residents that live along the street to come
forward and request that sidewalks be put in. Highland Drive is on the alternative street design. Until
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residents living there decide they want sidewalks, it is a program that will not be pursued. Mr.
Johnson stated that he would take a look at the $46-million grant that Ms. Monroy mentioned. The
state does have a Safe Route to School grant program and he sent an engineer to a seminar a week
ago and they're looking into that submitting an application for potential funding of sidewalks.
Vice-Chair Gumming asked if the funding could survive all of the budget cuts.
Mr. Johnson said he thought so.
Chair Cress commented that if it costs $46-million for the whole state and we break it down for each
school district, that is not a lot of money.
Seeing no others wishing to testify, Chair Cress closed public comment.
ITEM 5 - PREVIOUS BUSINESS:
Robert Johnson, City Engineer, reported that based on previous actions and recommendations by the
Traffic Safety Commission, the City Council has adopted several ordinances since the last
Commission meeting in October as follows: (1) Adopt a 45 mile per hour prima facie speed limit on
El Fuerte Street from Palomar Airport Road to Faraday Avenue. (2) Adopt a 40 mile per hour prima
facie speed limit upon The Crossings Drive from Palomar Airport Road to its northerly terminus. (3)
Adopt a 35 mile per hour prima facie speed limit upon Corte de la Vista from the El Fuerte
Street/Alicante Road intersection to its easterly terminus. (4) Designate El Fuerte Street from
Palomar Airport Road to Faraday Avenue as a truck route.
ITEM 6 - NEW BUSINESS:
ITEM 6A: Revise the prima facie speed limit upon Poinsettia Lane from Paseo del Norte to
Cassia Road.
Mr. Johnson informed the Commission that this item was to consider revising the prima facie speed
limit upon Poinsettia Lane from Paseo del Norte to Cassia Road. The subject segment of Poinsettia
lane is 1.9 miles in length and is a four lane major arterial that has critical speeds near or above 50
miles per hour. The average daily traffic volumes on Poinsettia Lane varies from east of Paseo del
Norte with a volume of 24,683 and east of Black Rail Road with a volume of 8,171. There are 10
intersections that have streets intersecting Poinsettia Lane, seven of which are signalized
intersections.
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To change or establish a prima facie speed limit, an Engineering and Traffic Survey is required. The
three most persuasive factors to be considered when establishing a prima facie speed limit are (1)
critical speed (85th percentile speed); (2) collision history; and (3) conditions that may not be readily
apparent to the driver. Staff completed two Engineering and Traffic Surveys for Poinsettia Lane.
Four speed surveys were performed on two days in September 2008 at locations where prevailing
speeds are representative of driver behavior in the speed zone proposed for revision. Critical speeds
were found 0.1 mile west of Snapdragon Drive to be 48 miles per hour, 150 feet west of Crystalline
Drive to be 51 miles per hour, 200 feet west of Brigantine Drive to be 52 miles per hour, and 100
feet west of Fisherman Drive to be 50 miles per hour. The critical speeds suggest that the prima facie
speed limit upon Poinsettia Lane at 50 miles per hour would be appropriate.
Mr. Johnson indicated the segment collision rate, as indicated in the Engineering and Traffic Survey,
from Paseo del Norte to Aviara Parkway is less than half of the statewide rate, based on a 0.89 rate.
The collision rate from Aviara Parkway to Cassia Road is 0.3, which is very low compared to the
statewide rate of 1.84 for a comparable roadway. In the time period from December 1,2006 through
November 30, 2008, there have been 14 mid-block collisions on Poinsettia Lane from Paseo Del
Norte to Cassia Road. A valid Engineering and Traffic Survey is required in order for the Police
Department to be able to use radar to enforce a posted speed limit. There are no conditions that are
not readily apparent to the driver. This is because signing and striping are in place and traffic signals
are located at the majority of the intersections, as well as advance warning signs. Land uses and
sidewalks adjacent to the roadway are readily visible, and the collision rate is low compared to the
statewide rate.
The City has experienced some issues with the philosophy of the San Marcos Court and how they
are viewing speed limits in jurisdictions in North County. This has resulted in some tickets being
thrown out if the Engineering and Traffic Survey is not considered a valid survey.
Lt. Rawson explained that Commissioners hi the San Marcos Court are interpreting the law to see if
the critical speed and posted speed of the Engineering and Traffic Survey is greater than the posted
survey in order for the case to be valid. Before, we could round down for engineering standards and
it would still be a valid survey by Carlsbad's definition. What has happened in court to legally
written tickets is that Commissioners are often throwing them out of court because there might be 45
miles per hour posted and the survey is at 46 miles per hour. So even one mile over the survey limit
now bumps the speed limit up to 50 miles per hour in the Commission's mind. That is not our
interpretation of the law at this point. The police in other jurisdictions are working through their
attorney's office hi North County and the City and others to try to get with a presiding judge to
clarify where the interpretation of the law might be agreed upon.
Lt. Rawson stated when officers write tickets, the posted speed limit is less than the critical speed
limit. In the case of Poinsettia lane, if we keep it posted at 45 miles per hour none of these surveys
would be enforceable by the standards the Commission has set for the motor officers and they would
not be able to write tickets using radar. The officers could still use pace, following some visual
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estimation, depending on the circumstances, but using radar would not currently be held up at the
Commission level in the North County Court.
Mr. Johnson stated that based upon the results of the Engineering and Traffic Survey, the Traffic
Safety Coordinating Committee recommends raising the prima facie speed limit upon Poinsettia
Lane from 45 to 50 miles per hour from Paseo del Norte to Cassia Road.
DISCUSSION
Commissioner Roney asked that as you proceed on Poinsettia Lane and turn to Cassia Road and
negotiate the turn, do you feel it is sufficient for someone going at a high rate of speed as the road
ends and you move over?
Mr. Johnson replied that it is a 90 degree turn which can be negotiated by drivers and vehicles
safely. Certainly somebody going way too fast wouldn't be able to make a 90 degree turn. The road
is signed and striped to accommodate, advise, and warn drivers about that turn. In the future,
Poinsettia Lane at the barricade would be extended easterly and would connect about 1,000 feet west
of El Camino Real and there would be a continuous stretch of Poinsettia Lane. Until then, we have
the condition that currently exists.
Commissioner Roney asked if 50 miles per hour was sufficient.
Mr. Johnson stated it would not be a 50 mile per hour curve, but the roadway could handle 50 mile
per hour traffic. Based on the striping and warning signs, the drivers would be expected to slow so
they could negotiate that 90 degree turn at Cassia Road. Taking that turn at 50 miles per hour would
be problematic.
Chair Cress stated that he lives in that area and drives Poinsettia Lane at least three times per week.
He knows the prevailing speed east and west is at least 50 miles per hour. If you're not doing 50,
you're holding up traffic.
Vice-Chair Gumming commented that he felt more signage might be helpful at the Cassia
intersection. To somebody who does not drive it every day, it comes up quickly and it is easy to get
caught unprepared.
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MOTION:
ACTION: Motion by Vice-Chair Gumming, and duly seconded by
Commissioner Roney, to approve the recommendation of the Traffic
Safety Coordinating Committee to raise the prima facie speed limit
upon Poinsettia Lane from 45 to 50 miles per hour from Paseo del
Norte to Cassia Road.
VOTE: 3-0-0
AYES: Cress, Gumming, Roney
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ITEM 6B: Review, comment upon, and approve the TSC rules and procedures, and adopt
TSC Resolution No. 2009-1.
Mr. Johnson indicated that on April 2,1990 the Traffic Safety Commission adopted TSC Resolution
No. 90-1 that established the original procedural rules. The procedural rules have been changed by
the Traffic Safety Commission several times since originally being adopted, most recently on
February 5,2007.
On a yearly basis, the Traffic Safety Commission reviews the procedural rules for the conduct of the
Traffic Safety Commission meeting. If changes are required based upon needs identified at
Commission meetings in the previous 12 months, changes can be incorporated into the 2009
resolution. If there are no revisions recommended by the Commission, TSC Resolution No. 2009-1
is provided for adoption by the Traffic Safety Commission. Should revisions be necessary, this item
will be continued until the next available meeting with the revisions incorporated into the revised
resolution for consideration by the Commission at that time.
The Commission had no comments or suggested changes.
MOTION:
ACTION: Motion by Vice-Chair Gumming, and duly seconded by
Commissioner Roney, to adopt the TSC Resolution No. 2009-1 as
presented to the Traffic Safety Commission.
VOTE: 3-0-0
AYES: Cress, Gumming, Roney
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ITEM 7: REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS
Vice-Chair Gumming observed that the Commission's role is to provide a forum and to advise the
City Council. They have been short two Commissioners for some time. Is it appropriate for them to
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advise the City Council and bring this concern to their attention? It is a little difficult when the
absence of a single Commissioner defeats the need for a quorum.
Chair Cress agreed. It would be much better if they had five Commissioners. Right now, when one
of them is gone, they don't have a quorum. It would behoove all of them to see if they can find
somebody who might be interested in joining the Commission.
Vice-Chair Gumming asked if the City Council was responsible for recruitment or is it strictly a self-
nomination process? Is there a representative function to it?
Mr. Johnson replied that the City Council entertains applications for the various Commissions. Word
gets out at various meetings and through the internet. There are vacancies on the various
Commissions. Once the applications come in to the City Clerk office, they are then processed by the
Mayor and City Council. The concerns of the Commission will be known to the City Council
because they do read the minutes of the Traffic Safety Commission. The Mayor and City Council are
aware of the vacancies on various Commissions. It is being looked at, but until there are applications
for the Mayor and City Council to review and process there is no more action that can be taken at
this time. The City Council is definitely aware that there are two vacancies.
ITEM 8: REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER
Mr. Johnson mentioned that the next regular meeting of the Traffic Safety Commission is scheduled
to be held on April 6, 2009 at 3:00 p.m. in the City Council Chambers.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, Chair Cress adjourned the Regular Meeting of March 2, 2009 at 3:33 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Ruth Woodbeck
Minutes Clerk