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HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
SEPTEMBER 14, 1998
5:30 PM
City Council Conference Room
Chairman Bizieff called the meeting to order at 5:34 PM.
ROLL CALL:
( item #2 I
Present: Commissioners Bizieff, Christiansen, Jones, Muth,
and Trejo.
Also Present Were: Geoff Armour
Bailey Noble
Susan Gutierrez, President of Carlsbad Historical Society
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The minutes of the meeting held July 13, 1998, were unanimously approved as
presented.
ELECTION OF OFFICERS:
Commissioner Jones expressed his desire to give someone else the opportunity to
serve as an officer for the Commission. Chairman Bizieff also volunteered to vacate his
position if it was the desire of the Commission. Commissioner Muth made the motion
that Commissioner Bizieff continue as the Chairman. The motion was seconded and
carried unanimously. Commissioner Jones nominated Commissioner Christiansen to
serve as the Vice Chairman. Commissioner Muth provided the second. The
Commission voted unanimously in favor.
CARLSBAD HISTORICAL SOCIETY:
Library Assistant Director, Geoff Armour, reported that the Library had purchased for
the sum of $2,500, the Shipley/Magee letters from Ms. Walwick. Currently the Carlsbad
Historical Society is assisting in the reading and cataloging of the letters as well as
investigating the best methods and locations for storing the documents. Possibilities
include scanning them into the data base or providing copies for the local history room
to be included in the remodeled Cole Library. Geoff then introduced Susan Gutierrez,
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President of the Carlsbad Historical Society, who had brought with her some of the
artifacts the Society had received in a steamer trunk which was donated by Ms.
Walwick.
Ms. Gutierrez spoke at length about the significance of the letter collection and
information contained therein, some of which changes the recorded history of the
Shipley/Magee family and Carlsbad. Ms. Gutierrez recounted a brief oral history of
Florence Shipley and pointed out some of the discrepancies found in previous accounts
of her family life.
Ms. Gutierrez also reported on the current state of disrepair at Magee House and the
barn in Magee Park as well as the old train depot. As City property the properties are
scheduled for regular maintenance but the Historical Society sees a need to possibly
speed up that schedule for these properties. The barn has been surrounded by a chain-
link fence rather than repair it. In Magee house, the porch has considerable dry rot and
the railing was recently removed prior to the jazz concert in the park because it was in
such bad shape. The Society anticipates an increase in visitors especially with the
opening of Legoland. Only last November they held a three day quilt show and had
more than three hundred people visit the facility. The Society is afraid that there is a
serious liability issue unless the repairs are made soon. The train depot is the last one
in the area and is listed on the National Historic Register.
Commissioner Muth asked if the Historical Society could provide a list of the needed
repairs for each of the building.
Commissioner Trejo asked if Steve Link of ConVis was involved in defining repairs that
needed to be made to the depot.
Commissioner Muth asked that Assistant Library Director, Geoff Armour together with
Ms. Gutierrez, draft a letter from this commission to the City Council asking for the
immediate attention to these historical properties. The draft letter to be provided to the
members of the commission for their approval and signature. Commissioner Muth felt it
was important to address the issue prior to the next regularly scheduled meeting, as this
commission only meets every other month.
Chairman Bizieff suggested that the commission discuss the matter more fully before
any decision was made.
Commissioner Christiansen asked for an update on the status of the Historical Society
property located behind the Alt Karlsbad building. Ms. Gutierrez explained in detail the
restrictions on the use of the property and the difficulty the Society has in trying to deal
with the property tax issue. At this time the Society is considering selling the property
either to a private party or possibly the City.
Chairman Bizieff, on behalf of the Commission, thanked Ms. Gutierrez for her
presentation.
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Chairman Bizieff asked for further discussion on the maintenance issues for the
properties. Commissioner Trejo asked about the leaking roof and was told it had been
patched. There were also questions about the possibility of money for the repairs
coming from revenue from the transient occupancy taxes (TOT) or some other tourist
generated revenue.
Assistant Library Director Armour proposed that he prepare a letter documenting the
problems, identifying those that are just unsightly and those that are dangerous,
pointing out the potential liability issues. He suggested also pointing out the value of
enhancing the public accessibility to these historic sites. The information could then be
addressed with the City. Commissioner Muth suggested a special meeting to finalize
the document as she felt it advisable to move quickly on the matter. Chairman Bizieff
suggested that they be sent the draft document through the mail or have it made
available at the Assistant Library Director's office. Each of the commissioners could
then review it and get back to Geoff with editorial comment. The commissioners would
then stop by the Library to sign the original letter.
PRITCHARD BARN:
Assistant Library Director Armour had received a telephone call from Carol Stewart who
was requesting that this structure be documented by the city photographer before it is
destroyed. The structure is located on the Kelly property currently under development.
Apparently the barn at one time had been converted into a residence. This project has
been completed.
HISTORICAL ROUTE 101:
Commissioner Christiansen reported that he had been up to Oceanside to look at the
historical signage and in many places the signs were mounted on existing light poles,
about ten feet from the ground which would provide some deterrence from vandalism.
With that option in mind, Commissioner Christiansen then drove the historical route
through Carlsbad to look for potential locations for these signs within the City. Heading
South he sited possibilities as:
-the existing light pole to the right of the entry gate to the Army Navy Academy
-on the light pole at Magee Park
-at the Split Pavilion
-possibly sharing the speed limit sign down by Palomar Airport Road
-down by the State Beach area
Heading north, possible locations are:
-at Palomar Airport Road
-on the light poles in the median by the new sea wall
-1-5 Freeway exit at Carlsbad Village Drive
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Discussion then followed on the advisability of marking the short stretch of State Street
that was originally a part of Highway 101.
Commissioner Christiansen also suggested that one of the historic markers could be
added to the sign suspended over the street at Carlsbad Village Drive and Carlsbad
Boulevard intersection. Chairman Bizieff questioned whether the size and shape of a
sign for this location would have to be different from the others. Assistant Library
Director Armour provided copies of the proposed legislation which is asking for uniform
signage standards for the historic route.
Chairman Bizieff commented that probably three signs would be sufficient to mark the
route, one at each end and one somewhere in the middle. He further commented that
ideal locations would be where the signs could be back to back and visible by both north
and south bound traffic.
Commissioners Christiansen and Muth will take some photographs of the signs in
Oceanside and then the locations suggested for placement in Carlsbad, and bring them
to the next meeting in preparation to take the recommendation forward.
ONGOING AND FUTURE PROJECTS UPDATE:
Marron Adobe -Assistant Library Director Armour reported he had not heard
anything further about CalTrans plans for the off ramp to be located near the adobe.
Third Grade Art Contest -Commissioner Trejo will co-chair the event and the
actual planning has not been initiated yet.
Tootsie K Ranch Sign -No action has been taken since the last meeting. Most
desirable location for the sign would be in Magee Park adjacent to the barn.
Commissioner Jones reported that he recently was down on the Grosse property and
noticed that the sign is leaning significantly.
Antique Stove -Chairman Bizieff reported that the dedication for the stove went
very well. There were between fifty and sixty people in attendance for the ceremony.
Assistant Library Director commended the crew from Facilities Maintenance who came
down and moved the stove to the outside for the dedication and also provided a canopy
for shade.
ANNOUNCEMENT & COMMITTEE REPORTS:
Members of the Commission were reminded to respond to the invitation to the annual
Boards and Commissions dinner to be held October 8, 1998.
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PUBLIC COMMENTS:
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Bailey Noble had suggestions regarding the Historical Society property. He suggested
that the commission investigate the possibility of recreation funds or possibly support
from a developer who is looking for a community project.
ITEMS FOR NEXT AGENDA:
Historic Highway 101 Signage
Maintenance for the historic buildings
Report on Pritchard Barn photographs
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the meeting was adjourned at 6:55 p.m.
Respectfully s bmitted,
Cissie S ton
Administrative Secretary