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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1958-10-13; Harbor Commission Ad Hoc; MinutesIIIUIKSSS OF., MOUL/ai M^TIUG OJb1 .SEI* CA1&SDAD IIAIH30R GQiUIlSSIOII October 13, 1953 The meeting "as called to order at 7:35 iV-u Gliairnan Betscier presiding, Commissioners present: Allen Osburn Weeks Lamb Zahler Betzmer Commissioners absent: Jeffero £* ApproyrjL of, Hi nut c-s Minutes of the Spcoio.l Meeting of Oct. 2, 195C, were read by Seo'y Weeks and the following corrections uero made: Page 2, Sece IV, Par. 13 - the phrase "and be designated as Sive-aile an hour speed zones " to be added to the motion after the tiords "launching and anchorage"* Page 3, Seoo IV, Par, C - the uord "Flotilla" be changed to read "Auxiliary". The line viill then read: "Discussion was also held pertaining to the possibility of establish- ing a Coast Guard Auxiliary on the Lagoon." The nlnutes were unanimously approved as corrected. II* P'Pf AAJ A, Gnn0 Laab reported on Public Relations Coranittee urging tlir.t citizens bo encouraged to attend aeetlngs of the Ifarbor Goa- nission and eicpress their vievrs. He also recoanencled tlitit the Harbor Commission hear all citizens at all tines under Parliamentary Rule as it is essential in order to encourage attendance. Sec'y Weeks vir.s instructed by the Chairman to inform the press of meetings and agenda, It was moved by Cnn. Lamb and seconded by Can. /Jahler that: "The harbor Commission request the I layer to Publically request the cooperation of citizens and participation in ^procee&Ln&K and operations at Harbor Commission meetings «" After discussion, the motion died clue to the lac!: of a majority vote, 3 voting aye and 3 voting nay. Further discussion brought forth the following points of interest: Can, Weeks str.ted that this is the responsibility of the Harbor Commission* Chairman Betzmer recommended that Cans, Lamb and Zaliler contact civic organisations to stimulate their interest* Cmn, Weeks stated that the Hayor should not be bothered with minor cetails. Cmiu Lamb stated thr.t lie -would withdraw from this committee if nothing shall be done unless it is done by the commit- tee, and that he was interested to Irnow whether or not the Mayor wanted a Harbor„ Chairman Betzmer stated that the Mayor is involved in a very delicate situation in the City at this time« B, (1) Cmn0 Zahler reported on existing conditions adjacent to the Lagoon and referred to the progress report submitted to the City Council on Oct, 7th, Ccm. l/eelrs stated that no action had boen taken by the City Council on Can. Zahler's report relative to establishing a five-*nile an hour .speed limit. • After discussion a motion was made by Cnn« Zahler, seconded by Cmne Allen that: "A fornal request be sent to the City Council outlining Cmn. Zahler's report, to include copies of the letters received from the Sailing Club and the Chamber of Com- merce, and that a representative be sent to follow up at the next regular meeting of the Council." liotion carried wsavilnously. Cmne Zahler was appointed as representative^ (2) Discussion was held relative to Hr. Bairds complaint on noise at the lagoon* The Chairman Informed the Commission that Hr. Baird had been requested to file a formal written complaint to the Commission before action was taken and that a committee was active to study the conditions at the present timoa Cmne Zahler stated that the suggestion had been made to establish the hour of 9 A,II, on Sunday mornings for starting of motors. However, no formal statement had been made to date from this committee, C, (1) Chairman Betamer reported for the committee investigat- ing the navigability of the Lagoon and made the recommenda- tion that a letter be sent to the Army Snginoers in Long Beach requesting information on the status of the Lagoon and the possibility of meeting with the Engineers. (2) A discussion was then held relative to the original motion previously passed on Sept. 0, 1958, recommending a meeting with the. San Diego Gas and KLeotric Co. Cnn, Lamb Suggested that it might be possible to negotiate a lease from the San Diego Gas £ Electric Coa in order to qualify for State and Federal Construction loans, Cnna Allon referred to a letter received from II. JeStevens stating that in applying to the State for loans for harbor projects, all property shall be owned or fully con- trolled by the Cits'" °^ Harbor District» D, Cmn« Osburn reported that Ms committee recommended that each member of" the Harbor Commission investigate the Harbor Commission files in order to be brought up to date on pre- vious developments and efforts* E0 Discussion was held relative to the types of administration types of districts, etc. IIo notion recommended at tliis time, as the Commission felt more time ma needed for study and investigation,, HEW BUSINESS A» Beading qf le Letter from Chamber of Commerce including trio resolu- tions adopted by the Chamber of Commerce relative to the formation of a Harbor District and its boundaries, and the opening up of Hoover Street designating a swimming area and five mile an hour spped zones* 2. Copy of letter sent to the City Council on Ocfc8 3S 195G, filing a protest against the Harbor Commission Chairman for "his dictatorial action against Ilr. Torres as President of the Chamber of Commerce and as a private citizen." Cranr. Allen requested to go on recorded as stating that the Harbor Commission has an agenda and Hr. Torres was out of order and that he felt that the Chairman was perfectly within his rights. Cmnr. T/eeks stated that he was sorry it happened and that he agreed that Hr. Torres was out of order. He in- formed the Commission that he had called lir. Torres prior to this meeting to determine if he had anything he wanted to discussa I-Ir. Torres was not at home but the message was left with Mrs. Torres for him to calle Cmnr* Weeks reported that ilr. Torres did not return his call,, Cmnr » Lamb reported that Ilr. Torres was attending a School Board meeting. Cmnr. Lamb further stated that it is the responsibility of the Harbor Commission to make aure that everyone leaves the Harbor Commission meetings happy and that it is essential that everyone attending a public meeting receive proper treatment as previously stated by liayor Lough, Cranr. Lamb said it was part of the Harbor Commission's job to hear anyone tiho comes before tho Commission, Cmnr. Weeks pointed out that Hr. Torres load interrupted the meeting and refused to stay to make his report at a later time in 'jhe meeting, Cmnrs Zahlor informed the Commission that Hr, Torres had been granted a minute and a half and that no effort was made to inform Hr. Torres what time was proper to mako MB report, Cnnr, Cahler further stated that he could see nothing in Hr, Torres report to warrant the treatment given to Hr. Torres 0 At this point Chairman Betsmer entertained a motion to re- primand the Harbor Commission Chairman. IIo motion was made o It was moved by Cmnr. Lanb and seconded by Cmnr* Osbum that: "The Harbor Commission scad a letter of apology to the Chariber of Commerce of Carlsbad to the effect that the incident of October 2nd referred to in llr, Torres' letter of October 3*'<3. was a misunderstanding and encourage the continued support of the Chamber of Commerce*" Chairman Bctzmer turned the chair over to Seofy VJeelrs and moved to amend the motion, seconded by Cmnra Allen that: Amendment to the notion ,-,':l: "If the proceedure of the Harbor Commission is such as to send a letter of apology to the Chamber of Commerce, that it include a minority report and the reason for Chairman Betzmer's stand in the matter and that he uill exceed to an apology," Ayes - 3 Hays -3. Amendment to the notion ,,"1 was not carried due to the lack of a majority vote* It was further noved to amend the motion by Cmnr* Allen and seconded by Cmnrc Betzmer that: Amendment to the notion ?/2: "The letter of apology to the Chamber of Commerce be ac- companied by a copy of the minutes of tills meeting which, will definitely erplaln what the feelings are in the matter*" Amendment to the iiotion »'2 was carried by a majority vote of ifr ayes and 2 nays. At this point Cmnr* Bctzmcr requested that the minutes show his statements as an individual and that he will not apolo- gize and docs not exceed in any respect to any apology to the Chamber of Commerce« Prom that point on the ilarbor Commission may do anything it desires* A third amendment to the motion was made by Cmnr. Betzmer and seconded by Cmnra Sahler that: Amendment to the Iiotion .-,''3t "The letter be read to the Harbor Coar.iission in order to approve its wording and text." The amenclnent to the motion ;,"3 died due to the lack of a majority vote,, three votina aye and three voting nay. The original notion made by Cmnr. Lamb and 2nd by Cmnr* Osbnrn was caroled by a majority vote of ty with Conrs. Betzner and Allen voting nay. The chair was turned back to Chairman Betzmer*, 3« She reading of the letter from the Sailing Club was dispensed with as having already been acted upon. 4 a Letter was read from 11 c J. Stevens, Division of Snail Craft Harbors relative to construction loans and stated that applications must be made prior to the llov. 20th meeting in Monterey, Sec'y Weeks read the requirements for construction IOPJGIS under the provisions of Snail Graft Harbor Lavr also known as Section 5001, et seq, of the Public Resources Code. After discussion relative to qualifying for a construction loan, Cmntfo Osburn requested that each member be supplied as soon as possible with a copy of the requirements as read* Discussion was hold relative to paying of a loan through revenue bonds as suggested by Ilr. Stevens, contemplated development in order to qualify for a construction loan, inspection of boats, and the extension of the seaward jettye Chairman Betzraer then requested the aid of lir. Glissman to work with the committee previously formed to investigate these natters. Cliairnan Betzmer then requested that all neribers give a great deal of study to the problem and have suggestions ready for next meeting. He also recommended that they study Hr« Kelly's Harbor District report, consider con- tacting the San Diego Gas <T; illecgrlc Go, and have sug- gestions ready for next meeting,, The Chairman requested the Gommissior. to lend its best efforts to these points and try to come up with the best answers in order to re~ commend to the City Council the stand the Harbor Commis- sion will take in these matters, IV. ORAL DISCUSSIOIIS: As Discussion wa^ held by the Commission, supplemented by HraGiissman, relative to the feasibility of contacting theSan Diego Gas & Electric Co* at this time relative to Harbor Development and the removal of booms and the original motion passed on Sept, Oth being sent through to the City Council recommending a meeting with the San Diego Gas &Electric Go, It was moved ley Cmnr, Allen and 2nd by Cmnr, Weeks that: "Tiic motion passed on Sept. 0^ 195G recommending to the City Council that a meeting be arranged -with the San Diego Gao £ Electric GoB be tabled*" rj?he notion carried by a majority vote of ty ayes, 2 nayes. VB HEW DUSI1ESS A. Cliairman Betzmer called to the attention of the Commission Orclino^ce 1032 creating the Carlsbad Harbor Commission, its duties and functions in respect to other city activities, specifically Sec. ?: Duties: to make recommendations to the City Council. Chairman Betzmer recommended tint the Commission recon- sider tlie natter of the letter of apology to be mailed to the Chanber of Commerce as not being recommended to the City Council,, He further stated that correspondence should be nade through tlie City Council and with their approval as the Ilarbor Commission was merely an advisory group, Chairnan Betzman then turned the chair over to Secfy l/eelcs. It was moved by Cmnr, Betzmer and 2nd by Cmnr. Allen that: "The matter of writing the letter to the Chanber of Commerce as a letter of apology be stricken from the record unless approved by the City Council." An. amendment to the motion was made by Cmnr. Lamb and End by Cmnr« Osburn to: "Table Cmnr* Dotsner^s notion to strike the writing of the letter of apology to the Chamber of Commerce unless ap- proved by the City Council," The amendment to the motion was carried by a majority vote of *!• ayes and Cmnre Betzmer and Cmnr, Allen voting "no". The Chair was turned back to Chairman Betzrner. B» Cmnr8 Lamb reported that his committee had met and discussed the feasibility of a Harbor District and requested suggestions as to how large a Ilarbor District should be. Chairman Betzner then turned the chair over to Sec9y Ueeka* A motion was made by Cmnr. Betsmer that: "The Ilarbor Commission recommend to the City Council that they revise Ordinance 1032 to encompass the recommendations being made by the Ilarbor Commission" so that they may be able to act independently of tlie City Council without being a recommending or advisory body." She motion died due to the lack of a second, VI. ADJOURiUMJT Upon a motion made by Cmnr,, Weeks, seconded by Cnnr. Osburn and unanimously passec.* the meeting was adjourned at 10:05 P«H» fs" llext regular meeting to be held October 2?s 1958* 7*«30 P.M. John ifeekfe, Sec'y