HomeMy WebLinkAbout1958-11-28; Harbor Commission Ad Hoc; MinutesHINUves OF B30ULAE HSBTIHO OF THii CARLSBAD HA1BOR COMMISSION
November 20, 1953
The regular meeting of the Carlsbad Harbor Commission was an Informal
luncheon meeting held at the Pantry Shelf in Carlsbad at 12:00 noon.
Chairman Weeks presiding.
Cmrs. Present: Jeffers, Allen, Osbum and Zahler
Cmrs. Absent: Lamb, Betzmer
Others Present: Mayor Ledgerwood, Own. Sonneman, H. J. Stevens, Chief
State Small Craft Haifcor Commission, City Manager,
Max Palkowski, and City Engineer, Clyde Jenkins.
Chairman Weeks called the meeting to order and introduced Mr. H. J.
Stevens, Chief, State Small Craft Harbor Commission, who presented
inforoation relative to the establishing and developmentof a Harbor.
Mr. Stevens discussed various agencies which could be employed for the
development of the Agua Hedionda Lagoon. He stated that a Harbor District
is considered the best agency by the State as its sole function is to
create and maintain boating facilities. This allows direct dealing
with the State and Foderal Governments. In forming a District, any
boundaries may be established but must have the vote within those boun-
daries at which time Commissioners are elected who are supervised by
the County. The Harbor District also has the power to tax to create
funds with which to operate.
Mr. Stevens further stated that the State Small Craft Harbor Commission
can deal with either Cities, Counties or Districts.
Question - Car. Allen: If a 25 mile radius district were created,
would an Improvement District be better?
Answer - Mr. Stevens; A Harbor District would still be best as evidenced
by Newport and Balboa
Question - Mr. Glissnam What advantage is there to a large district
over a small district.
Answer - Mr. Stevens: It is necessary to ceolde the amount of funds
necessary to do what is desired and keep things
as simple as possible. Keep the District as
small as possible to accomplish the designated
purpose. Sometimes, however, it is necessary
to reach out further.
Question « Mr. Glissnan: What size district did Fir. Stevens recommend
for the development of the Agua nedionda
Lagoon?
Answer - Mr. Stevens: Could only estimate: there were certain costs
involved, around §600,000 to 0700,000, and it
was necessary to determine where enough people
could be gathered to provide these funds. Mro
Stevens stated it was necessary to Include people
and oitles which would give solid backing and to
include at lease one large community or city.
Question - Own, Sonneman:Would a City Commission be eligible for
engineering funds before a Harbor District
formed?
Answer - Mr, Stevens:Application could be made prior to forming a
District and that the obligations could be
transferred to the Harbor District after its
formation if so desired. He further stated
that a Harbor District Is more appealing to the
Arny Engineers, the State and the Federal
Government as it has only one job to do and can
function more adequately.
Question - Chairman Weeks:Mr. Stevens had mentioned the figure of
0700,000 while the preliminary report callsfor 011,000,000.
Answer - Mre Stevens: 0700,000 was merely Intended to be applied to
the operation with an entrance to the ocean.Full development tjould have to come in stages
and that he xias thinking only of getting into
the preliminary stages.
Question - Cmr. Osburn:
Answer - Mr, Stevens:
Question - Cmr 9 Allen:
Answer - Mr, Stevens
Question - Cmr, Allen:
Is the last opportunity to apply for a loan
at the Blythe Meeting on December 9th?
Yes, in order to be ready for the Legislature
in January,,
What are the differences between a Municipal
Revenue and a General Obligation Bond?
An obligation bond looks to general agencies
backed up by general credit and revenue bond
specifically states repayment of bond only out
of certain projects, while State funds are loan-
ed out with a three-way build up.
Which is recommended - General Obligation or
revenue bond?
Answer - Mr. Stevens" Revenue bond if you can do it.
Question - Cmr9 Allen:
Answer - Mr. Stevens:
Question - Mr, Click;
Answer - Hr. Stevens:
Hot-; much land is necessary to be owned by a
district in order to provide repayment of a
loan?
It Is necessary to control enough area to repay
the loan in 20 years,
tfduM the State advance money or is it necessary
to sell bonds in advance on the open market?
Funds oan be borrowed from the State and then
float a 010,000,000 bond issue to repay.
Question- Mr. Click:What is the Improtaaoe of the ratings and
priorities and how does the State determine what
priority and rating apply.
Answer-Mr. Stevens: They are determined by (1) the need, (2) the
Question-Mr, Click:
eoonomio feasibility of repayment, and (3) if the
project is qualified for funds*
Mill there still "be funds available for loan with
in the next year?
Answer- Mr, Stevens: Yes there would be«
Question- General:
Answer- Mr, Stevens:
QuestIon-Mr. Ewald:
"What is required from the City before it is eligible
for State Funds?"
Before receipt of funds, the State has to be
assured that the City has done all it can possibly
do in order to support this project. He further
stated that planning loans ban be applied for any
time. No obligation is assumed by the City for
the construction loan until a note is signed and
further that the engineering staff would come In
to help*
Would passing a bond issue be sufficient to show
participation and qualify for State funds?
Answer-Mr. Stevens: It very well could be.
Question-Mr. Click: What is planning money?
Answer-Mr* Stevens:
Question-
An swer-Mr, Stevens:
It is money used to determine an estimated cost
and the feasibility of the project* It Is not a
speculation.
Would the Patterson Report constitute necessary
qualifications to obtain planning loans?
It shows that the City has community interest and
has put a certain amount of funds into the project
but doubted that it would be sufficient to say
that it is all the City needs. He further stated
that it is not a necessity to take planning funds
but the State has to know that the City has an
accurate estimate.
Quest!on-Crar. Allen: IIow much of a planning loan would it take to have
this accomplished*
Answer-Mr, Stevens: Hot more than j!0,000 to hire a private engineer.
The State engineers only act In the capacity of
consultants*
Questlon-Omr. Zahler;Would the existing dredging constitute any local
qualification?
Answer-Mr. Stevens: Yes, other than that done by the San Diego Qas
and Electric Co.
Question-Cmr. Allen
Answer-Mr. Stevens:
Question-Mr. Click:
Answer-Mr, Stevens:
At what floint does the Army Engineers enter into
the program?
The Army Engineers works only on the outside ap-
proach* After all have agreed how much everyone
is going to put in, then is the time to go to the
Federal Government Next year would be the timeto go to the Federal Government for survey and
they will recommend asking Congress for funds.
The entire proceedure usually takes about five
years to obtain Government funds, however, it is
possible to get survey funds earlier.
What is the merit of the Patterson Report?
At the time it was done, it was very effective,
but although it is not exactly outdated and may
still fit the situation, if it did not, it would
have to reappraised. The engineering detail comes
later.
Question-Own. Sonneman:Would an apprlasal of the surrounding property
at this time be of assistance to the City in
obtaining a construction loan?
Answer-Mr. Stevens: Yes it would and the City might also find out
what the attitude is of the property owners totrards
selling or contributing land to the project.
QuestlonaCmr. Osburn:
Answer-Mr. Stevens:
Questlon-Hr. Click:
Would the opening to the sea be maintained by
the Government as to the dredging, etc.?
It is hoped that it would.
If Ooeanside gets its limited type of harbor,would it affect the harbor d evelopment in Carlsbad?
Answer-Mr. Stevens: It should only aid the Carlsbad Harbor Development.
Question-Mr, Tad Pahl:
Answer-Mr. Stevens:
Cjjestion-Cmr. Allen;
Answer-Mr. Stevens:
How long would it take to have a preliminaryfund loan passed after applying?
About 3 months.
Would there be any objection to Including Ooean-
side in a Harbor District?
It would be a good idea if they were willing to goalong. Hot?ever, only Interested communities should
be included and the others may defeat the project.
guestlon«-i-lrs. Gllssmon:If the Army Engineers have money for preliminary
surveys8 and are putting that entire fund into
the Oceanalde area, could any of this be applied to
the Carlsbad area?
Answer-Mro Stevens: There Is no harm in asking and he recommends thatCarlsbad ask for a survey as soon as possible. He
also stated that the State could help obtain this
surveyo
Question-Mrs. Gllssman: Are the funds now only allocated to Ooeanslde?
Answer-Mr. Stevens:
Question-Mr, iiwald:
Answer-Mr. Stevens:
The fund is flexible and can be moved from one
survey area to another. It Is In order to request
a survey at any time*
A survey had been requested two years ago and that
the two projects have always been tied together.
It was set up that way for convenience but oan be
separated from Ooeanslde or can be done Jointly*
He again said that the State oan easily start a
request for same which is very much in order0
Mr. Stevens informed the City that the necessary steps to form a HarborDistrict were: (1) Establish boundaries, (2) Petition obtaining a 50$
voters acceptance anci (3) Petition the Board of Supervisors to hold an
election and to elect commissioners*
Mr. Stevens further stated that the State desired a Resolution from the
City requesting construction funds and if a survey or planning loan was
required, that a resolution requesting survey funds be sent to the
State Small Craft Harbor Commission. The request of a construction loan
should be applied for by sending the Resolution to him prior to the
meeting at Blythe on December 9, 195Stf
Chairman Weeks established a special Harbor Commission meeting for
December 1, 1958 at ?':30 P.M.
Meeting adjourned at 2:30 P.M.
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