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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1988-11-02; Design Review Board; MinutesMeeting of: MINUTES DESIGN REVIEH BOARD (Regular Meeting) Time of Meet,ng: 5:OO p.m. Date of Meeting: November 2, 1988 Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Hall called the Meetinq to order at 5:OO p.m. ROLL CALL: Present: Chairman Hall, Board Members McCoy, McFadden, Rombotis and Schramm. Absent: None. Staff Present: Chris Salomone, Housing & Redevelopment Direct or Patty Cratty, Senior Management Analyst PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE was led by Chairman Hall. DESIGN REVIEN BOARD PROCEDURES: Chairman Hall read the Procedures as a transparency showing them was projected for the audience. PUBLIC COMMENT: There were no requests to address the Board. PUBLIC HEARING: 1. - RP 88-3 CARLSBAD INN Chris Salomone explained this item which involved tennis courts by the railroad tracks had been withdrawn by the applicant DEPARTMENTAL/CONTINUED: 2. BUSINESS LICENSE Business license for the Village Eatery, located at the Carlsbad Inn (Formerly Norby's Bakery) continued from Board Meeting of October 19, 1988. Chris Salomone gave the presentation as contained in the staff report, using transparencies to show the site and the parking. project and the lack of parking for the restaurant located at this site. The project was 23 parking spaces short and they were told to create that additional parking before the second phase of condominiums were built. The Grunnion Run Restaurant was closed and changed to a bakery--retail use--which was the use designated for that building. He gave the history of the Carlsbad Inn The bakery has now discontinued business and it has become the Village Eatery. Staff heard concerns from Board Members and others in the community about what constituted a bona fide deli or a restaurant. Mr. Salomone stated he held up the permit to bring this matter before the Board. He said a delicatessen is not defined in Carlsbad's code, but the history has been that a deli is, primarily, a take-out restaurant where on-site eating is incidental, with no service to the tables and a retail operation. Food has been pre- prepared and none is prepared to order. h \ 9 MINUTES November 2, 1988 DESIGN REVIEH BOARD Page 2 Mr. Salomone stated that the outdoor patio area did not require parking as part of a retail space and was classified as a deck or patio. Mr. Salomone said the business 1-icense is beina held up pending approval, and because of the concerns of Board Members and members of the community, staff felt it better to try to define what use should go in that area. He said if the Board directed him to put conditions on this request, he would, and then bring it forward on a minor permit request with those conditions. In answer to query regarding the patio, staff indicated it was approved as open space when the original restaurant was approved. Board Member McCoy stated he was concerned about the upstairs area. and restrictions must be put on to make certain there is nothing more than retail in that area. There is still a parking problem there Members Rombotis and McFadden stated they had met with the applicant on-site. Eric Siegel, Carlsbad Inn, 3001 Carlsbad Boulevard, stated he was present to answer questions. distributed copies of a diagram showing the proposed deli area and patio, and explained they want a deli operation for the homeowners and guests at the Inn. He said food is necessary on a retail basis for people living in the time share units and for meetings being held at the Inn. Mr. Siegel expressed the desire to expand the room service portion of the hotel and stressed the bulk of the business would be in-house. He Mr. Siegel stated there would be between 8 and 11 tables out on the patio, and that patio is open to Carlsbad Boulevard for anyone to enter there. In answer to query about cooking hamburgers, Mr. Siegel said most items are pre-prepared, and he was not certain whether hamburgers would remain on the menu. Member Schramm further inquired about large parties in the area and whether that was a permitted use. indicated that incidental parties outside would be all right, but if that became a regular practice, that would be a problem. that area as a party room, he said it was in their ad, but would be removed. Staff Hhen asked whether they advertised David Brown, Vice President and General Manager of Operations of Hinners Circle, 3001 Carlsbad Boulevard, stated there were four meetina rooms on the property. He said there is a mix of business--tourism, corporate business and group business. for meetings is now taken up with the sales force offices. Mr. Brown said that should be finished this summer, and the upstairs will be opened up to book group business into the hotel. He added that there are from 600 to 1,200 people on-site having food needs at different times. A great deal of the space MINUTES November 2, 1988 DESIGN REVIEH BOARD Page 3 Mr. Siegel stated the hours of operation would be until 6:OO p.m. during the week and to 8:OO p.m. on weekends, and with morning opening to service the business people, it would probably be from 6:OO a.m. He said that retail operations may require longer hours, but the food service would be cut off. Member McFadden inquired about the selling of wine and liquor and consuming that on-site. Mr. Siegel stated they would like to be unrestricted to apply for both both on-site and off, but he didn't know whether that was possible. Member McFadden stated there are 14 bar seats around the kiosk and self-service counter and that could become a bar situation in open space. She said she was not opposed to buying or taking wine or liquor to the room, but she did not want it consumed on-site where it was not in a facility. She also commented that the name of "Village Eatery'' was not appropriate and should be changed. Member McCoy asked whether there had been any dicussion about the parking, and Mr. Siegel stated they intended to go with an off-site parking facility of 50 to 75 spaces for employees. He said they use valet parking under the hotel to maximize the space. The sales office personnel and the people visiting the sales office creates a shortage of parking spaces which will be alleviated by next summer. Mr. Siegel stated firmly they intend to control the employee parking more closely. Member McCoy stated they should think about the parking problem and stated his concerns about the patio becoming a bar and the inside a restaurant. He added that he wanted restrictions to keep this business from expanding. Member Rombotis stated he would limit the hours of operation to approximately 6:OO a.m. to 8:OO p.m., with serving to rooms 24 hours a day. to come in off of the street for food or beverage service, and would limit the alcohol sales to prevent turning the patio into a bar. Mr. Rombotis stated he would like an exact floor plan to be submitted, and would limit the number of tables, with no direct table service. It should be kept a true deli. He did not want people Member Schramm concurred, and added that she would not want beer or wine served on the premises--only for take- back to the rooms or condos. She also wanted to make certain they no longer included in the ad in the Carlsbad 3ournal that they booked parties. The food service should be closed early and the retail stay open to 1O:OO p .m. Member Rombotis added that any advertising about booking for parties should be out-of-state and not local. Member McFadden stated she wanted a parking plan and designated parking for the employees. on-going problem with this facility and she would like to see this Board take the necessary steps to solve it. She would like to know exactly how many parking spaces they need. Member Schramm concurred with that request. This has been an MINUTES November 2, 1988 DESIGN REVIEH BOARD Page 4 MEMBERS Y Chairman Hall stated he was having difficulty thinking of this as a deli. food service and a kitchen on-site. The parking is deficient, and to address this the Board needs to go back and say the parking is a problem; identify it and decide what they are going to do about it. Mr. Hall felt that in six months, the same problem could be back again. He would like to see a parkinq facility off-site. He did not know of any other deli with As far as the upstairs and its use, Chairman Hall said that will only compound the parking problems. Also, the tables out on the patio make it something more than a deli. He concluded, stating he would have a problem supporting this request. Chris Salomone stated he would look into the deli definition and calculate the parking needed with the patio and without it. Member McFadden stated if they were going to use the patio, it must be calculated for parking, or don’t use it. She suggested staff return this item to the Board with conditions for a minor redevelopment permit and see what can be worked out. Chris Salomone summarized, stating he would return with a minor redevelopment permit addressing certain conditions and options, including: hours of operation, 6:OO a.m. to 8:OO p.m. for the food and to 1O:OO p.m. for groceries; outside advertising restricted locally; liquor or wine condition to specify not by glass, but on-site package to rooms: floor plan: no table service; limit number of tables by the floor plan: overall parking plan for complete facility, with some sort of a guest/employee parking future plan specifically to include the sales office and the upstairs patio; but not including outdoor eating. parking for outdoor patio Chairman Hall requested the original conditions of approval for the project site. Design Review Board returned this item to staff and requested it be returned with conditions for a minor redevelopment permit. The conditions to include all items mentioned above. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Minutes of the Regular Meeting held October 25, 1988, were approved as presented. Hall McCoy McFadden Rombot is Schramm Hall McCoy McFadden Rombo t is Schramm MINUTES November 2, 1988 DESIGN REVIEH BOARD Page 5 Y MEMBERS Design Review Board, by Minute Motion, requested staff to develop criteria definition of a deli as opposed to a restaurant. AD30URNMENT: By proper motion, the Meeting of November 2, 1988, was adjourned at 5:55 p.m. Respectfully submitted, CHRIS SALO~O~E Housing and Redevelopment Director Harriett Babbitt Minutes Clerk Hall McCoy McFadden Rombot is Sch r amm