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HZLD AUGUST 19, 1956, a.t 601 ~LI~I
CALIQQTIA AT 7: 30 polL~.
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I The meeting wa.s called- to ord-er by President Fry at 7: 30 P.2i;. The Secretary called. the roll and those answering present were: Directors FyyY Kelly, Zva-ld, zahler and Rogers. The execu-tive secretary, iir. C. 3. Trygg and General Counsel, t4ro Iilrilliam 3. Dennis were also present. Presidknt Fry declaed a quorum present.
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Kinut e s The minutes were discussed and will. be taken up for a-pproval at the ned* meeting. Bach Director was requested to go over the previous minutes of xhich they have or will recelve copies, and be ready to suggest changes or corrections.
Bills Bill from Nelsoi? Thomas for the fire proof file in the sum of BZ63.57. This bill was passed for
payaent
Bill from Carlsbad Nutual ;Tater Company was returned unpaid.
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Bo0’l;s Director Zahler stated that r~e have not had our
a temporary arrangement in the meantime while we are vraiting for Mr. Zoyer.
books set up as yet but he was going to set up
I Corres- Letter written by the Treasurer to Mr. Charles Lo pondence 8cver on August @, 1954. Because of the fact that C,L.Royer the engineer’s fee was not included in the list of formation expenses given in this letter, this information was ord-ered. sent him.
dnnexations Letters to Attorney- Feist re Yeber and Berkowitz to Oceanside annexations and- to Attorney Juliani re Rose and Reltibridle annexations from San Diego Board. of Supervisors.
CitV of Xstrict’s letter to city of Oceanside re chlori-
Oceanside nator pump.
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San Iliego 3istrictTs letter to San 3iego County Vat er Au- C o . Xat e r
Authority Letter da-led August 18th from Ga-rlsbad Eiutual :,Jater Failure of Company, su-b ject Chlorina.tion Tailure at Oceanside, Chlorinator together vith cony of letter from Yallace & Tiernan, explaining vhy the chlorinator had faileci tvice. Direct or Rogers stz-ted tha.t if ;;Ze 09 vorth of clamps wou.ld. have saved t his situation, why d-idntt XaU.ace 8s Tiernan use these clamps at the start instead of depending on Gceanside? He said our contract does not provide for the Xutual to have control of the operation of the chlorinator and ve do not think anything can be done about it except to notify Gceanside that the accicients have happened.
J- LRority 1 d2’i;ed August 13th.
President Pry skated. that a copy of the letter Prom ?Idlace & Tiernan should go in our letter to Oceanside. Under conditions of our contract, we ham assumed this expense but we should tell Gceanside that we hope that every care and. caution will be taken to prevent any further outbreak.
u- p :’,PI 7 ,rCj i - x) Lt.ir\“iOX of Director Rogers, seconded by Director Zwald, the Secretary pras instructed to return the bill from the
Carlsbad I\&xtual to the JIutual vith the explanation that we will
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take the matter of these accidents up with Oceanside but that the Sistrict assumes no responsibility for these bills.
President Fry said we shculd direct a letter to Geeanside
statinq the amount -Lha.t it cost the Mutual and that ve realize that it is a temporary setup but if any further costly break- dovms are caused by lack of supervision, that they should enter into a share 'of the costs.
Director 3wald staced that at this time we are able to see a fault in our agreexent r.:ith Oceanside, and that we should. make a note of this anti in the future something should be done a'bout such a. situation.
Nr. Trygg pointed out that Mr. I'Jeese of Cceavlside had set all the valves, includ-ing those owned by the Kutual. 'deese is now reducing pressure. The accidents were not caused by any- thing the Xutual did..
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Director Xwald then reiterated that he feels that there is a definite weakness in our agreement with Oceanside and that some corrections should be made in it.
Carlsbad Letter from the Carlsbad Kutual Hater Company Kut ual dated August 18th, calling attention to heavy water Vat er losses during the period of June 22nd to July 22nd. Losses Director Zogers stated that he personally feels
that we are going to have a hard time convincing Oceanside that they billed us for 71 acre feet of overage. He said he had told the Xutual Board- that he was sure the iliunicipal would be glad to write a letter to 8ceansi.de and inform them of this situation and. ask them to check whether or not the meter is proper. Ve thought also of asking them to check their meters to see whether they had an musually low lc)ss, and if so vhether we should re- ceive a. refund, The quxtion I~S brought up at the Board. meetin.?
of the Kutual as to whether or not they svould be vrilling to buy
a meter thzt is satisyactory at a cost of about $llGO.
Li bnat the meter situation should be corrected, but
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President Fry suggested that the Mutual might install their ovn meter in the line and check it.
Director Kelly thought there would be no use installing another meter in the line as long as Oceanside rrmuld not accept our read-ings .
The Directors agreed that the natter of the Nutual xater
losses should be included in the letter to Oceanside.
Bottled 4 letter rc"roTi1 Zarlsbad Nutual Water Company dated $la$ e r August 18th in relation to use of bottled water and
the bill for one month in the amount of irb?.
Director Rogers says as long as the Xutual ordered the ua'Ger,
they are responsible for the bill, Ke said that his con-bention was that the jl. 50 allowance for extraordinary expense would cover the bo-ttled water as well as everything else. i;N IXITiON by Director Kelly, seconded by Director Evrald and. carried unanimou-sly, the Secretary was empowered to write a let- ter to Oceanside ad tc, the Carlsbad Mutual YaLer Company as per the foregoing.
i;ir.TryggTs ilw. Trygg then presented his Survey on a pipeline Survey on from the end or" the Fallbrook-Oceanside la.teral to Line from Calavera, and the Directors discussed it. Direc-bor Fallbrook Zwald stated that he wanted to know what we were Lateral .to going to do for water in a year when our agreement
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sid.e should act obstinate about It. Our water entitlement is
2200 acre feet. After further discussion, President Fry stated
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we have a right to $0 to the lateral in case Ocean-
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that this vms a good. report and. something that we night possibly use as an alternative 0% as a main issue. Xe are not ready for action now.
President Pry further stated that we owe our appreciation to Mr. Trygg for getting this Survey up for us and we will hold it in our files until such time 'as we might need it. He said he was referrin? it to the Zngineering Coiimi'ctee for study and-re-
commendation. He exkendet-2- the BoardPs thanks to Mr. Trygg for compiling it and stated that the Board appreciated it.
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Director Kelly brought up the point that the Survey should- have ex'Gended to Terramar and Kr. Trygg stated that he had. not had time to extend it that fa-r out but that the ealavera line could- be connected to 8annonTs line with a few feet of pipe. The Ilirectors asked iQr. Trygg to run this on doma into Cannon's property on Alternate 2. of the report. It would be beneficial to have it go past the Lake and to Terrarnar facilities.
I,,le et ing 3irector Rogers re2orted on the meeting of the San
August 18 Diego Zounty Vater Authority held August 18th. The of Yater purpse of the sleeting was to discuss the two lines Authority which Mr. Holmgren had on the map. One was the north line vhich includes Rainboiv, Vista, etc., and- the othar was the south line xhich he had previously presented. The 'l'Ja"isr Authority wished to knm how MU& vakQy everyone wanJced out of the line. Xr. Holmgren has called a meeting for August 27t at the Carlsbad Hotel and- hoped to have 'che figures then for both lines.
Zngineer- President Fry then asked the Secre'cary for a report ing Stv-dy on what hea.d.way he has made on costs of an engineer- ing study. Xrector Rogers replied that he had calle the Yater Authority and talked to Kr. Jones, asking him for re- commendations for engineers. Boyle Zngineering has just finished
up with Toway and so far as the Water Authority knows, everything has been all righ%. Director Rogers telephoned the San Diego ofi'ice of Boyle Engineering and. had them come to Car1sba.d. and go over the general situation and the territory. Director RoDers further stated that the reason we are looking for another englnce
rq.ther than using Byrl Fhelps is that we want to separate the i'.!utml engineering from the ikmicipal. He also stated that he
of Santa Ana.
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had seen Br. !:arolla frail Phoenix and a illan from Harrison .koley
In the meantime, it has developed that the L?ater Au&i;hority is preparing to make an engineering study and it seems that we should- not hire an enginecr until we know T;,rk.,at they are going to do. ;ingineeTsy fees are approximately :$lo@ a day for consultlng engineers, .,:j75 a day for registered- engineers and '&5 a day for assistants. Boyle Zngineering have presented their proposal, and Carolla and Karrison have been asked to subnit proposals.
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President Fry stated that at the present tine all we nzed-ed ?>:ere two things; our present and proposed water usage and requirements, and the point where we want the San 9iego County Xater Au-tho-rity to deliver r:rater to us. He does not think we need even a .,?250@ engineering study.
Director Zahler disagreed-, saying th& we are tallring about spend-in,? a million or a riiillion and a half, and he does not feel
we should atternFt t.0 swing a bond- issue without an engineerrng study. Any 'Jater kuthori-ly study will only CoiilG to our border and the study we need is h0t.r to distribute water and from Y$That point we xant to start to distribute it.
Director Kelly said he thought we should let the 7iater hu- thority make their study first. r-v iney are coining up vrith an im- Dortant survey. ?hen we k:.;no~~~ vhat that is, we can go on with ours
Director Rggers stated that the engineers of course do not !cnow how much increase there will be in population in this area.
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The Soil Conservation ilistrict is not as optimistic as other people have been on what the possibilities are. They divided the soil of the area into Class I, 2, 3, 4 an& unsuitable, and have arrived- at approximately 4,OGO axm~~ of irrigable land in our Estrict. There is a question as to whether it will pay to run pipelines for some of this land.
Director Rogers also stzted. th3.t %here is no question .but that TQZ will have to have an engineering s'zudy eventually but
we should hold- it up until we see :&at the AuthGrity has done. He said that whether 'I:.T~ build one or tT.s'O pipelines, we would- have to go before the public and. sell the bond issue. ';?e have to S~OVJ t hem that they are going to get, something for their money. If the ;,l;utus;l wants the north line, they shoul-d form an improvernent district and pay for their line and then the south end can do the same thing. There are probably 150 or 200
votes outside of CarLs'oad md the 2as 8c Electric plant would pay practically all of the costs of the south end pipeline. The i'hmicipal has asked for 10,000 acre feet for the south end of the aistrict and 5,000 acre Zeet for Carlsbad.
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Director Zahler said he would like to have a letter sent
to some of' the other engineers, and get the matter on a busi- nesslike basis.
Director Rogers disagreed, stating that if we have three or four, it should be enough. He said that Boyle Engineering
are apparent ly satisfactory engineers, as they ha.ve a long list, of apparently satisfied customers. He said that BuZot from Pasadena. had &so been in and left c7. dossier.
General Cowsel stated that he thought we would find that
this money from the Xater Authority has been appropriated for a general study and &!I not ir,clude any intsrFor studies. Be reels it also includes sme field. work, He thinks the Authority
is goizg to want to knov vhere we want them to come into the .District, and we are going to have to decide certain things be- fore we employ an engineer. i;le have tc figure out :-That we wa~t him to d.0. Xe sbo~lc! ~lso aake some arrangements with the en- gineer so that if we 170 into a bond issue, the engineer will give us credit for thls 3 preliminary study.
Pipeline LIr. Trygg inquire6 whether the Water Authority had Specifi- minimun specifications for pipeline and General cations Counsel replied that they have. Pipe must be
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cement lined both inside and outside.
Sngineering ;General Counsel continued that he would advise Stud.ies, talking our needs over vith engineers, 2s it will c ont take 60 to 90 days to prepare plarrs and specifica- tim, Considerin2 th2 bond issue, elaction, etc,
it would probably be at least 90 d-a.ys and then it scou-ld take another 90 d-ays to put in the line. It is going to be 7 or 8 months with the coopera-tive group after they are all ready and General Counsel believes ve should! keep right on this thing
Terramar -.. l!L;;-f Cannon then asked. General Cmn.sel vhen an Im-
Yat e r C o . DrDvement District could: be forcoed. Director Xogers replied thz.t he should wait until the engineering
studies vere mad-e. General Counsel said the Board will have to came up r.ri'ch some definite conclusion before Kr, Cannon could. start.
Zngineering President Pry asked the Sngineering Comxittee to C onrnit t 3 e meet :thenever necessary which will probably be once a week or naybe oftener to keep in direct
conta-ct yith the 2ztel-i Authority. girector itogers stated that
the d.e?.a.y T;:.oiAd. p~21a.bl-y be 9" natter of ten dags, By that time
';he Au:chority should. have decided v~hat they are going to do,
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I" General Counsel then left the meeting temporarily.
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AttorneyPs The matter of Attorney 9ennisp fees for past
was br.sugi.1-c ii2. Attorney Dennis is charging
Fees services 2nd retainer fees for attsending meetings
$7,500 for formation services which he wishes to have paid as
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follows : ,jl,OOO on January 1, 1955 - 1 ,yN ?I 1956
2,500 ?l 1357
2,500 ir 1958
On the question of retaining fees, he will attend one meeting a month for :;l5O and additional meetings for :$5C or j75 each, , or for :;ZOO a month will. attend all meetings and. take care of everything except 1itiga"tion or financing and annexa-tions. Actual preparation of docments, long 6-istance phons ~calls, trim to L.A. j etc, extra. Or he xill- z-ccept 'j25 or j30 an hour for his services. The Directors discussed. the rijatter at
sone length.
UPON 1:iC;I"ICiN by Jirector Rogers, seconded by Director
3;wald and carried unanimously by voice vote, the bill for formation services in the amount of .j'7,500 wa.s approved for payment as requested.
UPClfi j$GTIC!N bv 3irect9,s Eogers, seconded. by Dirsctor
Belly and unanimuslg carried, it was voted to retair,
William B. aennis as General Counsel at the :>ZOO mon@hly rate, to include his attendlance at all meetings and his
services in everything except litigation, financing and annexations. Actual preparation of docLmients, long dis- tance phone calls, trips to L.A., etc, extra.
Attorney Ilennis vas then recalled to %he neeting.
Thanks ' ?resident ?ry extended- the aypreciafsion of the General Board for the frine job Kr. Dennis has done on Counsel the fornation of the District. I CC;;.fi.';ITTyzS : President Fry then c3nfimed the following cormittee
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President Fry stated that the Publicity Cor.mittee ~oulcl be responsible for all publications, everything for the Press, brochures and anything we give out. He asked- that a report be rfi_a.de each meeting 2.s to vhat has been released, to whom, etc. EJothing else must go out.
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Bond for J-II~ matter of the bond for khe Treasurer was
Treasurer never been paid 2.s it seeneci sc high as to ,be out of the question and- t,he matter of reducing the bond to ,37500
was discussed. General Counsel stated- that the Board could set the amount of the bond.
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1 DroUghLL up. Premium on khe bocci ?or ;25,0rjg has
UPCN I.IOTi2S by Director Kelly, seconded by Direct or iZogers and. carried- unanixously, bond in the amount of ;:7,5OC was
authorized with instructions that the previous bond for 'j25,COO be czncelled and a new bmd in the lesser anount
be issued.
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nl inere being no further business to come 'before the Board, upon motion duly and regularly made and uxanirnously carried -the meeting was adjourned at 9:55 !?.E.
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Secretary of the Bo rd. of
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