HomeMy WebLinkAbout1983-06-01; Municipal Water District; MinutesMINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF COSTA REAL MUNI- CIPAL WATER DISTRICT, HELD ON JUNE 1, 1983, AT 2:OO P.M. AT 5950 EL CAMINO REI
CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA 92008:
The meeting was called to order at 2:07 P.M. by President Almack with Direct01 Bonas, MacLeod, Kelly, Maerkle and Almack answering roll call. Also present were General Manager Meadows , Control 1 er Brammell , Superintendent of Operatior
Musser, Legal Counsel Swirsky, District Engineer Kubota and Executive Secreta) City Manager Frank Aleshire, Councilman Bob Prescott, Doug Helming (Rick Engi- neering) , James Hurter (Huntington Beach Company) , Joyce Benefield (McMillin Development) , Jim Buchanan (Hughes Aircraft) , Nob Tabata (Tabata Brothers), Phil Dodd (D.S.L.), Dick Osburn, Ruth Honnold and William Savage also attendec
Approval of Minutes: Upon motion of Director Maerkle, secondt by Director Bonas and unanimously carrit the minutes of the adjourned meetings of May 24 and 25, 1983, were approved a distributed.
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Oral Communications from the Audience: None
Public Hearing: Major Water President Almack announced that this is Facilities Financing Program the time and the place fixed by the Boa of Directors of the Costa Real Municipa Water District for a public hearing for any interested persons to present any evidence for the consideration of the Board in considering an adjustment of water rates and the establishment of a major facilities charge for the Costa Real Municipal Water District. (The original transcript of the hearing will attached and a part of the official minutes of this meeting.)
Upon requests from several members of the audience, and Legal Counsel Swirsky recommendation, Director Maerkle made a motion to continue this public hearin to June 15, 1983, at 2:00 P.M., seconded by Director Bonas and unanimously carried. I ~.~ ~-
Recess : President Almack called for a recess at 3:15 P.M. The meeting reconvened at 3:35 P.M.
Organizational Reports:
San Diego County Water Authority: Director Maerkle advised that the next meeting i.s set for June 9, 1983.
Association of Water Reclamation Director Bonas advised that the next
Agencies of North County: meeting will be held tomorrow, June 2, here at the District.
San Diego Region Water Reclamation Agency:
Director Bonas reported on this meetin!
he1 d at Otay Municipal Water District ( Friday, May 27, 1983. The date of the next meeting will be announced later.
Director Maerkle suggested that the District should re1 inquish its membershi]
in this agency since, according to our recent agreement with the City of Carlsbad, the District agreed that the City would handle wastewater matters. After discussion, Staff was instructed to review this matter with City manag 1 and bring back a recommendation to the next Board meeting.
Commi ttee Reports :
Finance Committee: General Manager Meadows advised that
City Finance Director tomorrow to begin work on the new budget. As soon as possible this will be given to the Finance Committee.
Controller Bramell is meeting with th
Personnel Committee: General Manager Meadows said this com- mi ttee will also be affected by the recent agreement with the City. He added that the City Manager said the Cit will need some type of commitment as to what the District will do for any City employees that might transfer to the District.
General Manager:
Operations and Maintenance: General Manager Meadows referred to
report in the agenda packet. Mr. Musser then reported on several recent
incidents, i.e., our gas pump destroyed by a delivery truck, 32 feet of fenct knocked out at our water tank on Alga Road and two fire hydrants hit by cars,
Finance and Administration: The General Manager requested Board ap. proval of a progress payment to Donald M. Long Construction Co. (builder of the caretaker’s residence at Squires Dar in the sum of $28,730.44. Director Maerkle made the motion to approve, secot by Director MacLeod and unanimously carried.
Purchase Orders :
P.O. 61-3190 - Barrett General Manager Meadows requested Boar1 Engineered Pumps: approval of P.O. 61-3190 to Barrett
pumps for a total amount of $569.22 including tax. Director Maerkle made thl motion to approve, seconded by Director MacLeod and unanimously carried.
P.O. 61-31.89 - Rockwell The General Manager asked for Board ap International : proval of P.O. 61-3189 to’ Rockwell Inti
strainer in the total sum of $1,546.77 plus any freight. Director MacLeod m
the motion to approve, seconded by Director Maerkle and unanimously carried.
District Engineer:
Superintendent of Operations Musserls
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Engineered Pumps for three hydromatic
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CMWD 80-405 - CT 77-8A - District Engineer Kubota reviewed this Downey Savings & Loan condominium development which was requ by the District to have copper pipe be the water meter in the original approval in 1980. Because of the changes ma by the present developer (DSL) , the District Engineer recommended Board appr of DSL’s request to use plastic pipe. After discussion Director Kelly made motion approving the request, seconded by Director Maerkle and unanimously c
CMWD 82-208 - Koll/Well s Indus- The District Engineer advised that whe trial Site - Water Line Relocation: the required widening of El Camino Rea is done by this developer, our water 1
in the area of Madonna Hill will be affected. The developer has proposed a relocation of the line at a total estimated cost of $50-60 thousand dollars, with the District’s portion of the cost to be $20-25 thousand dollars. Afte discussion, Director Maerkle made a motion approving the relocation with a maximum expenditure by the District of $25,000, seconded by Director MacLeod and unanimously carried.
Legal Counsel : No report.
Ratification of Checks: Upon motion of Director Maerkle, secon
carried, the Board ratified the issuance of accounts payable checks No. 8572 8573 and 10764 through 10822, for the period from May 20 through 31, 1983, i the sum of $53,475.05, and payroll checks No. 774 through 776 dated May 23, 1983, in the sum of $4,750.12.
Directors I Reports : None
by Director MacLeod and unanimously
I Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 4:20 P.M. the next regular meeting on June 15, 1
Respectfully submitted,
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COSTA REAL MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT
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REPORTER'S TRANSCIPT OF PUBLIC HEARING
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MAJOR WATER FACILITIES FINANCING PROGRAM
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CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA
JUNE 1, 1983
PRESENT:
NORMAN ALMACK, PRESIDENT
MARGARET J. BONAS
ALLAN 0. KELLY
DONALD A. MACLEOD
ALLAN 0. KELLY
PAUL S. SWIRSKY, ESQ., ATTORNEY FOR THE.DISTRICT
WILLIAM C. MEADOWS, GENERAL MANAGER
JACK Y. KUBOTA, DISTRICT ENGINEER
TOM BRAMMELL, FINANCE DIRECTOR
REPORTED BY:
MARTHA L. DIX, CSR NO. 86, CP, CM, RPR
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CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, WEDNESDAY, JUNE 1, 1983 2:OO P. M.
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THE PRESIDENT: THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FIXED BY THE
BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE COASTA REAL MUNICIPP
WATER DISTRICT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY
INTERESTED PERSON TO PRESENT ANY EVIDENCE FOR
THE CONSIDERATION OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF
COASTA REAL MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT IN
CONSIDERING AN ADJUSTMENT IN WATER RATES AND 1
ESTABLISHMENT OF A MAJOR FACILITIES CHARGE FOF
COASTA REAL MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT.
THE FOLLOWING GENERAL PROCEDURE WILL BE I
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FOLLOWED IN CONDUCTING THE HEARING SO THAT ALI
EVIDENCE AND ALL PARTIES THAT DESIRE TO BE HE/
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MAY PRESENT EVIDENCE. A TRANSCRIPT OF THE
HEARING WILL BE TAKEN BY A PUBLIC STENOGRAPHE
SO IT IS REQUESTED THAT THE FOLLOWING PROCEDU
BE FOLLOWED:
ANYONE WHO DESIRES TO TESTIFY WILL
BE FIRST RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR, AFTER WHICH
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TIME THE INDIVIDUAL MAY TESTIFY. AFTER THE
PERSON TESTIFIES, ANY INTERESTED PERSON WILL
ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS.
FROM A PROCEDURE STANDPOINT, THE FOLLOW1
ORDER OF TESTIMONY WILL BE USED:
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1. TESTIMONY BY LEGAL COUNSEL IN REFEREN
TO AUTHORITY AND JURISDICTION FOR THE
HEAR I NG.
2. TESTIMONY OF DISTRICT GENERAL MANAGER
ON HIS FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
3. TESTIMONY OF THE DISTRICT ENGINEER OF
HIS FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
4. TESTIMONY OF THE DISTRICT ACCOUNTING
OFFICER ON HIS FINDINGS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS.
5. TESTIMONY OF ANY 'INTERESTED PERSON OF
PERSONS ON THE ISSUE IN QUESTION.
6. AFTER ALL INTERESTED PARTIES HAVE
TESTIFIED, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED.
THE EVIDENCE AND INFORMATION RECEIVED AT
THE HEARING WILL THEN BE TAKEN UNDER SUBMISSIl
BY THE BOARD, AND AFTER A REVIEW OF THE
TRANSCRIPT BY THE BOARD AND THE STAFF OF THE
DISTRICT, TOGETHER WITH ALL OTHER PERTINENT
INFORMATION, THE BOARD WILL SUBSEQUENTLY REND
A DECISION OF THE MATTER.
IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED IF ALL PARTIES
WOULD ABIDE BY THE PROPOSED PROCEDURE SO THAT
THE HEARING MAY BE CONDUCTED IN AN ORDERLY
MANNER. IT IS NOW REQUESTED THAT THE LEGAL
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COUNSEL PROCEED. PAUL.
MR. SWIRSKY: MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR THE PUBLIC BEFORE THE PUBL
HEARING, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PART OF THE
OFFICIAL RECORD A NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING AT
THIS TIME AND PLACE WHICH WAS PUBLISHED IN "Tt
CARLSBAD JOURNAL" AS A LEGAL PUBLICATION ON M/
11, 1983. ALSO, TO ADVISE THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION SENT OUT LETTERS TO INTERESTED
PARTIES ENCLOSING A COPY OF THE PUBLIC HEARIN(
NOTICE, A COPY OF THE LIST OF ADDRESSEES WILL
FILED IN THE PUBLIC HEARING RECORD,
IN ADDITION THERETO, I WOULD LIKE AN
OFFICIAL COPY TO BE PLACED IN THE RECORD OF T
REPORT WHICH THE BOARD HAS CONSIDERED IN
REFERENCE TO THIS RATE STUDY. IT'S ENTITLED
"COSTA REAL MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT MAJOR WA
FACILITIES FINANCING PLAN AND RATE STUDY," DA
APRIL 1983, AND IT WAS PREPARED BY BARTLE WEL
ASSOCIATES, MUNICIPAL FINANCING CONSULTANTS.
THANK YOU.
PRESIDENT: THANK YOU, PAUL.
IT IS NOW REQUESTED THAT THE DISTRICT
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GENERAL MANAGER PROCEED. BILL MEADOWS.
I HAVE PLACED AT EACH OF YOUR SEATS A 25
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MEMORANDUM DATED TODAY, PREPARED BY MYSELF AND
THE CONTROLLER, TOM BRAMMELL, AND I WOULD LIKE
TO USE THIS AS THE BASIS FOR MY REMARKS.
AT THE MEETING OF APRIL 6TH, 1983, THE
BOARD OF DIRECTORS RECEIVED THE REPORT ENTITLE
"MAJOR WATER FACILITIES FINANCING PLAN AND RAT
STUDY" PREPARED BY BARTLE WELLS ASSOCIATES,
FINANCING CONSULTANTS.
THE BOARD ALSO DIRECTED THE STAFF TO,
QUOTE, "DEVELOP MAJOR FACILITIES CHARGE
PROCEDURES," INQUOTE, SO AS TO IMPLEMENT
RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE BARTLE WELLS REPOf
AND BY THE VERBAL PRESENTATION MADE BY MR. ED
WELLS. THE BOARD SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVED A
SCHEDULE WHICH AUTHORIZED STAFF TO PROCEED
TOWARD IMPLEMENTATION OF CERTAIN RECOMMENDATII
IN THE BARTLE WELLS REPORT.
TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING IS ONE OF THE
FORMAL ASPECTS OF THIS SCHEDULE.
CONCURRENT WITH PREPARATION OF THE
FINANCIAL REPORT HAS BEEN DEVELOPMENT OF A MA
FACILITIES MASTER PLAN BY THE DISTRICT
CONSULTING ENGINEERS, WOODSIDE/KUBOTA E
ASSOCIATES. A PRELIMINARY FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, AS DEVELOPED BY THE
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ENGINEERS, IS CONTAINED IN THE PRELIMINARY
FINANCIAL REPORT. MR. KUBOTA HAS AN UPDATED
REPORT WHICH WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE
FINAL BARTLE WELLS REPORT.
ALSO, UNDER WAY CONCURRENTLY WITH THE
DEVELOPMENT OF THE BARTLE WELLS REPORT WERE
NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY OF CARLSBAD WHICH
HAVE RESULTED IN THE SIGNING ON MAY 25TH OF A
WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND
DISTRICT.
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THIS WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT AFFECTS THE
WATER RATE ANALYSIS PORTION OF THE BARTLE WEL
REPORT.
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THE CITY AND DISTRICT WILL BE DIVIDING
CERTAIN AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY UNDER TERMS 0
THE AGREEMENT, AND, FOR THIS REASON, A REVISE
1983-'84 BUDGET MUST BE DEVELOPED BY THE
DISTRICT STAFF.
SINCE THE 1983-'84 WATER RATES WILL DEPE
UPON THE BUDGET AND SINCE THE BUDGET IS NOW I
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THE PROCESS OF BEING REVISED IN ACCORDANCE WI'
THE NEW WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT, THE STAFF HA
NO RECOMMENDATIONS ON 1983-'84 WATER RATES FO
TODAY'S MEETING.
RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE FORTHCOMING IN T
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NEAR FUTURE.
ONE THING WHICH CAN BE SAID WITH CERTAIN1
REGARDING NEXT YEAR'S WATER RATES IS THAT THE
DISTRICT WILL RECEIVE AN INCREASE OF 21.5
PERCENT FROM THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER
AUTHORITY EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 1983.
THIS INCREASE WILL HAVE TO BE PASSED ON -
THE WATER USERS AND THIS IS A SITUATION WHICH
EXISTS COUNTYWIDE.
WITH THE FOREGOING IN MIND, THE
RECOMMENDATIONS OF YOUR STAFF ARE THAT THE BO1
PROCEED WITH CONSIDERATION OF MAJOR FACILITIE'
CHARGES TO BE USED TO FINANCE FUTURE CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS. THE CAPITAL FACILITIES THAT WII
BE REQUIRED WILL BE DISCUSSED BY THE DISTRICT
ENGINEER. THE CONTROLLER WILL THEN DISCUSS T
FINANCIAL ASPECT OF THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIO
AND MR. BRAMMELL WILL BE COVERING THE ITEMS A
CONTAINED ON PAGE 2 OF THE MEMORANDUM AND ON
PAGE 3, AND I WOULD JUST ALSO REPORT THAT THE
EQUIVALENT DWELLING UNIT SCHEDULE WHICH STAFF
RECOMMENDING TO BE ADOPTED IS ALSO ATTACHED T
THE MEMORANDUM.
THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS.
THE PRESIDENT: THANK YOU, BILL.
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ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BY ANY PARTY AT 1
IN THE ROOM OF THE GENERAL MANAGER?
IF NOT, WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE DISTR
ENGINEER, JACK KUBOTA.
MR. KUBOTA: MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF
DIRECTORS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS J
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KUBOTA. I AM THE DISTRICT ENGINEER, AND I'LL
MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION OF THE MAJOR
FACILITIES THAT ARE LISTED IN TABLE NO. 4 ON
PAGE 10 OF THE BARTLE WELLS REPORT, WHICH HAS
BEEN REFERRED TO PREVIOUSLY BY MR. SWIRSKY.
I ALSO HAVE FOR EVERYONE'S VIEWING AN
EXHIBIT MAP, THAT SHOWS ON THE DISTRICT OVERA
i MAP THE EIGHT PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED ON TAB
4. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE THE BARTLE WEL
REPORT, IT IS PAGE 10, AND I WILL BRIEFLY GO
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THROUGH THIS LISTING OF THE PROJECTS AND EXPL
THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ENTIRE WATER SYST
OF THE DISTRICT.
ITEM 1 IS THE HIGH RESERVOIR AT LA COSTA
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IT IS A SIX MILLION GALLON STORAGE RESERVOIR
REGULATING PURPOSES, AND IT IS LOCATED SOUTH
ALGA ROAD AND EAST OF EL FUERTE.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT LINKAGE OF OUR SAN
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LINE THAT COMES FROM THE ACQUEDUCT, COMES INT
THE LA COSTA AREA AND FEEDS THE ENTIRE LA COS
COMMUNITY. THIS RESERVOIR HAS BEEN IN THE
PLANNING STAGES SINCE 1975.
ITEM NO. 2 IS THE SQUIRES DAM 1 GENERATI
STATION. AT OUR EXISTING SQUIRES DAM 1, THE
DISTRICT THIS YEAR COMPLETED A CONNECTION WIT
THE TRI-AGENCY PIPELINE THAT BRINGS SERVICE 1
THE DAM.
AT THE PRESENT TIME, THE ENERGY IS
DISSIPATED BY A FREE DISCHARGE INTO THE
RESERVOIR POOL AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED A PROJEC
REPORT THAT PROVIDES FOR AN ELECTRICAL
GENERATING FACILITY UTILIZING THE FLOWS THAT
NOW JUST DUMPED INTO THE DAM, AND THAT IS A N
PROGRAM THAT THE BOARD HAS UNDERWAY SINCE FIS
YEAR 1982-'83, WHICH WE ARE NOW IN.
THIRD PROJECT IS THE TRI-AGENCY PIPELINE
EXTENSION. THIS GOES BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL
PROJECT PLANNING OF 1969 FOR A MAJOR PIPELINE
THAT WAS BUILT BY THE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY,
VISTA AND OCEANSIDE, AND WE CAME WESTERLY TO
LAKE CALEVERAS HILLS AREA, AND WE TERMINATED (
PIPELINE AT THAT LOCATION IN ORDER TO AWAIT F1
DEVELOPMENTS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE
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REMAINDER OF THE REACH TO THE ELLERY RESERVOIR
IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.
THAT PIPELINE PROJECT NOW WILL GO ON
THROUGH THE DISTRICT'S 1, 2, 3, 4 SUBDIVISIONS
AND THEN WILL TIE INTO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD
PROJECT THAT WILL BE FROM THE POWER LINE JUST
THE WEST BOUNDARY OF QUAIL RIDGE AND THE ELLER
RESERVOIR.
ITEM NO. 4 IS SQUIRES DAM 2. THIS IS A 1
RESERVOIR IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THE
EXISTING SQUIRES DAM 1. THE WATER DISTRICT
ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN 1972 AND WE ARE NOW
DOING THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING STUDIES FOR
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT RESERVOIR TO PROVII
APPROXIMATELY ONE THOUSAND ACRE FEET OF
EMERGENCY LOCAL STORAGE FOR THE ENTIRE WATER
DISTRICT AREA.
PROJECT NO. 5 IS OUR SANTA FE RESERVOIR,
AND IT IS LOCATED ON A HILL JUST TO THE SOUTI-
THE DRAG STRIP AREA ON THE HIGH HILL ALONG SO
OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD, JUST OUTSIDE OF THE
WATER DISTRICT'S MOST EASTERLY BOUNDARY, AND
THIS IS A MAJOR REGULATING RESERVOIR THAT WIL
PROVIDE THE GRAVITY FEED FLOW IN AN EMERGENCl
AND PEAK FLOWS FOR ALL OF WHAT WE CALL THE
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HIGHER GRADIENT ALONG PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AN
THE ENTIRE REACH OF THE AREA OF PALOMAR AIRPO
THIS HEAVILY INDUSTRIALIZED AREA.
THE TAP RESERVOIR, TRI-AGENCY PIPELINE
RESERVOIR, SIX MILLION GALLONS GOING BACK AGA.
AND IT RELATES TO JOB NO. 3 AND THAT IS A SIX
MILLION GALLON RESERVOIR WHICH WILL BE BUILT
ADJOINING THE EXISTING ONE MILLION GALLON WATl
TANK. YOU CAN SEE THIS RESERVOIR FROM HIGHWAl
78 AS YOU LOOK TO THE SOUTH FROM WHERE THE
TRI-CITY HOSPITAL IS.
ITEM NO. 7 IS A SECOND 1.5 MILLION GALLOh
RESERVOIR AT LA COSTA. THERE IS AN EXISTING 1
MILLION RESERVOIR AND THE SITE HAS ALREADY BEE
ACQUIRED AND DEVELOPED FOR THE SECOND RESERVOI
IT WILL BE TWO TANKS THERE FOR A TOTAL OF THRE
MILLION GALLONS; AND, LASTLY, WE HAVE A
RESERVOIR SITE DUE SOUTH OF THE TWO TANKS THAT
ARE SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT OVERLOOKING THIS
THIS AREA OVERLOOKS ALL OF THE OCEAN THERE, YO
CAN SEE IT FROM INTERSTATE 5, YOU CAN SEE IT
FROM LA COSTA. THE TWO TANKS SIT UP ON THE
HILL JUST TO THE SOUTH OF IT.
THERE IS ANOTHER AREA OF HIGH GROUND AT TI
SAME ELEVATION AND THERE IS AN EIGHT MILLION
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GALLON RESERVOIR SCHEDULED FOR THAT SITE. TH
EIGHT PROJECTS REPRESENT MOSTLY ELEVATED STOR
OR EMERGENCY STORAGE.
OF THE EIGHT PROJECTS, ONLY PROJECT NO.
WHICH IS THE SQUIRES DAM COGENERATION STEM, A
PROJECT NO. 3, WHICH IS THIS PIPELINE OF THE
TAP EXTENSION, ARE PIPELINE PROJECTS, THE
REMAINING SIX ARE ELEVATED STORAGE RESERVOIRS
AND THESE PROJECTS, IN TOTAL, REPRESENT WHAT
HAVE RECOMMENDED AS THE FIRST LEVEL FOR THE F
YEAR PROGRAM OF IMPORTANT FACILITIES IN ORDER
IMPROVE UPON OUR ENTIRE WATER SYSTEM DELIVERY
CAPABILITY.
THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE IN BALANCE WITH W
WE DETERMINE -- WHAT WE INTERPRET AS THE
DEVELOPMENT MODES OF OUR GIVEN AREAS OF OUR
WATER DISTRICT AND THEY ALSO REPRESENT A
BUILDING BLOCK WITH THE VARIOUS DEVELOPMENT
PARCELS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ACCESS AND FRO
THE STANDPOINT OF ACQUISITION OF RESERVOIR SI
THEMSELVES.
AS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, THIS PROJECT NO.
IS IN THE HEART OF WHAT WE NOW CALL THE HUNT
BROTHERS DEVELOPMENT, SO WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S
VERY TIMELY TO THIS PROJECT, BEING A PART OF
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NEXT FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM, AND IT WIIL BE IN
CONCERT THEN WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE TH
INITIAL DEVELOPMENT PHASES
ONE IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU WILL NOTIC
FROM THIS MAP AND THIS LISTING IS THAT THESE
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RESERVOIRS AND THESE PIPELINE PROJECTS AND T
GENERATING STATION ARE BY AND LARGE INTENDED
SERVE THE VARIOUS SECTORS OF THE DISTRICT.
THEY ARE INTENDED TO BE FOR DISTRICT-WIDE
BENEFIT.
I THINK THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS, MR.
CHAIRMAN, UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS FROM TH
BOARD OR THE AUDIENCE,
THE PRESIDENT: LET ME ASK ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE IF THt
ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR DISTRICT ENGINEER.
NOT, THANK YOU, JACK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. MEADOWS: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK JACK
THERE'S ANY CHANGE IN YOUR ESTIMATED TOTAL
PROJECT COST, ANY CHANGE FROM YOUR FIGURES
GIVEN IN THE PRELIMINARY BARTLE WELLS REPORT<
MR. KUBOTA: AT THIS TIME, NO. IN THE TIME THAT THE BART1
WELLS REPORT WILL BE GOING TO ITS FINAL
CONCLUSION, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE CURRENTLY
MAKING AN ASSESSMENT OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD'
WATER DEPARTMENT AND IN OUR LOOK AT THAT ARE/
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TWO ADDITIONAL PROJECTS, BUT THEY'RE IN THE
MAGNITUDE OF PERHAPS AS MUCH AS SEVERAL MILL:
DOLLARS, BUT IN THE OVERALL FRAMEWORK OF THI!
PROJECT, WHICH IS - LET ME JUST CLEAR THE
RECORD HERE AT MR. SWIRSKY'S SUGGESTION.
WHEN I JUST MADE REFERENCE TO THE CITY
WATER DEPARTMENT, I'M TALKING NOW ABOUT THE
CITY'S CURRENT RETAIL SERVICE AREA. IT'S WHI
WE CALL THE OLD VILLAGE AREA OF CARLSBAD.
THAT'S THE AREA WE ARE NOW EVALUATING IN MOR'
DETAIL.
THIS PROJECT LIST HAS A CURRENT ESTIMATE
VALUE OF 14.57 MILLION DOLLARS, OKAY, AND THA
FIGURE AT THIS PRESENT TIME, WE BELIEVE, IS A
REASONABLE ESTIMATE FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WE
HAVE IN MIND.
NOW, IN THE BARTLE WELLS REPORT, OF COUR
THERE ARE ADJUSTMENTS BEING MADE, BECAUSE THI
IS A FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM, AND THERE IS AN
INCREMENT ADDED FOR WHAT IS PERCEIVED TO BE A
INFLATION FACTOR, BUT THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF
WHERE OUR NATIONAL ECONOMY GOES.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
MR. MEADOWS: THANK YOU.
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THE PRESIDENT: THANK YOU, JACK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MS BONAS: JACK, I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
ON ITEM 8, 'D' RESERVOIR, YOU HAVE IT EIGHT
MILLION GALLONS?
MR. KUBOTA: YES, MA'AM.
MS BONAS: THAT WOULD BE THE LARGEST RESERVOIR IN THE
DISTRICT TO SERVE WHAT AREA PARTICULARLY AND
POPULATION?
IS THAT HOW YOU FIGURE IT? WHY WOULD TH
NEED AN EIGHT MILLION GALLON --
MR. KUBOTA: WELL, LET ME EXPLAIN.
THE EIGHT MILLION GALLONS IS OUR INITIAL
ASSESSMENT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THE MAST
PLAN REPORT THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE IN PLACE N
CALLS FOR SIXTEEN MILLION GALLONS, BUT, IN OU
OPINION, FOR THE BUILDOUT OVER A PERIOD OF TI
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AT THIS POINT, OUR RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN TO
SPLIT THAT UP INTO TWO TANKS AND BUILD ONE TA
NOW AND THEN BUILD ANOTHER TANK LATER AT SOME
POINT IN TIME.
NOW, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF WE DO THI
WE ACQUIRE THE SITE JUST AS I TOLD YOU HERE
AT LA COSTA, WHEN WE DID THE MASTER PLAN, WE
BUILT -- WE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR A SITE FOR A
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ONE MILLION GALLON -- 1.5 MILLION GALLON TANK
THE GAS AND ELECTRIC COMPANY GAVE US THE
PROPERTY NEXT-DOOR AND WE DEVELOPED THAT AS A
SECOND SITE, AND NOW, AS A PART OF THIS
PROPOSAL, WE WILL ADD NOW THE SECOND 1.5 MILL
TANK. IT'S JUST LIKE, I GUESS, IF YOU BUILT
HOME, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU BUILT THE FOUNDATION
SOMETIME FOR FOUR BEDROOMS, BUT YOU ONLY PUT
TWO BEDROOMS IN THERE NOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF
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5, THAT'S A NINE MILLION GALLON TANK THAT'S
PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS FIRST FIVE-YEAR
PROGRAM, BUT, AGAIN, THE TOTAL REQUIREMENT TH
IS EIGHTEEN MILLION GALLONS AND THE SAME THIN
APPLIES THERE.
I JUST PICKED A NUMBER THAT I THOUGHT TH
THERE WAS ECONOMIC VIABILITY TO. YOU COULD
BUILD THREE SIX MILLION GALLON TANKS TO GET T
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ADOPTED MASTER PLANS THAT YOU HAVE SET CERTAI
GOALS AS FAR AS WHAT YOU NEED ULTIMATELY, THA
IN THIS FIRST FIVE YEAR PROGRAM, WE MADE THE
RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD THAT YOU IN THIS
CASE GO FOR HALF A LOAF, AND THAT ONE, GO FOR 1
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CURRENT RATEPAYERS AND THE CURRENT DEVELOPERS
WOULD BE MORE RELATED TO WHAT IS NEEDED FOR A
REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME IN THE FUTURE,
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POSSIBILITY OF INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF
SQUIRES DAM NO. 2 RATHER THAN INCREASING THE
SIZE OF SOME OF THESE TANKS, BECAUSE YOU GOT
ALL IN ONE PLACE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT --
YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME MONEY OUT OF THAT I
ELECTRICITY THAT'S DEVELOPED?
MR. KUBOTA: OKAY, INSOFAR AS THE -- LET'S CALL IT THE BA
DESIGN CONCEPT, ALL RIGHT, THESE ELEVATED
STORAGE TANKS THAT YOU SEE, IN FACT, ON
VIRTUALLY EVERY HILL AROUND HERE, ONE OF THE
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CAPABILITY, SO THAT, SAY, IF BETWEEN HERE ANC
SQUIRES DAM, IF YOU HAD SOME KIND OF AN OUTAE
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OVER HERE, THEN THIS AREA CAN STILL SURVIVE.
I GUESS ANOTHER WAY OF PUTTING IT IS WE
COULD GO OVER TO SAN MARCOS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND
BUILD A BIG FIFTY MILLION GALLON RESERVOIR ON
HILL, SAY, EIGHT HUNDRED FEET AND THAT WILL
SERVE EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE AREA. WELL, FRO)
THE STANDPOINT OF DESIGN OF AN URBAN WATER
SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO, SAY, AN AGRICULTURE ARE)
THAT WOULD NEVER FLY BECAUSE YOU TAKE THESE
AREAS HERE WHERE THEY HAVE INTENSIVE URBAN US)
AND WANT FIRE PROTECTION ALONE, ALL YOU NEED
ONE RUPTURE OVER HERE AND IT'S GONE. THEN TH
ENTIRE COMMUNITY RUNS OUT OF WATER.
NOW, WE ARE FORTUNATE WE HAVE SQUIRES DA
HERE AND PROPOSED 2. IT'S SITTING AT ELEVATI
500. OKAY, WELL, AS FAR AS GRAVITY FEED, THA
GRAVITY FEED FROM THOSE TWO DAMS BASICALLY WI
TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY PARALLELING THE OCEAN,
SAY, A COUPLE OF MILES, AND THAT'S IT. ALL 0
THE AREA IN THE BACK, ALL OF THE HIGH AREA, Y
SEE, COULD NOT TAKE SERVICE FROM SQUIRES DAM.
THERE WOULD BE A PUMPING MODE, AND THAT IS TH
REASON WHY LA COSTA HIGH RESERVOIR -- LA COS1
ELEVATION 700, THIS SANTA FE RESERVOIR, THIS
NINE MILLION, THAT'S ELEVATION 700 AND
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PROVIDE YOU WITH THE WATER SERVICE FOR ALL OF
THIS HIGH AREA AROUND THE AIRPORT AT AN
ELEVATION THAT YOU CAN'T GET FROM SQUIRES DAM
OR 2.
MR. KELLY: NOW, THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE, BUT HAVE WE GOT TH
I LAND FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE EXTRA TANKS NOW OR
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REPORT?
MR. KUBOTA: THE COST FACTOR FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE
SITES ARE IN THE PROJECT AS FAR AS BUDGETING
PURPOSES ARE CONCERNED. THE ANSWER IS NO, WE
HAVE NOT ACQUIRED EITHER 5 AND 8, BUT WE'RE
ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING FOR SITE 1 AT LA COSTA,
THE HIGH RESERVOIR, AND, OF COURSE, SITE 6.
PROJECT 6, THAT'S MR. CEDRIC SANDERS'
GROUP. REMEMBER, WE STARTED OUT WITH MR. ROY
WARD ON THAT, AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE, AS YOU
KNOW, THE SQUIRES DAM 2 SITE. WE'VE HAD THAT
FOR ELEVEN YEARS NOW, SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR
MORE FORTUNATE MOVES
MR. KELLY: OKAY.
THE PRESIDENT: ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF JACK?
THANK YOU, JACK,
NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON THE DISTRI(
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BRAMMELL.
MR. BRAMMELL: THANK YOU.
I WILL ALSO FOLLOW BASICALLY THE TEXT
THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED YOU,
CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MANY
FACTORS IN THE REVIEW OF EXISTING DISTRICT
POLICIES, OPERATIONS AND CHARGES. THE MORE
SIGNIFICANT ITEMS HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN DESCRI
AND INCLUDE THE BARTLE WELLS REPORT AND THE
WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY,
AFTER CONSIDERATION OF THE ALL FACTORS,
THE STAFF RECOMMENDS TO THE BOARD THE FOLLOW1
ITEMS :
WATER RATES: THE WATER SERVICE CALLS FO
ADOPTION OF UNIFORM WATER RATES DISTRICTWIDE.
THE STAFF OF THE TWO ENTITIES ARE CURREN
WORKING ON BUDGET INFORMATION WHICH WILL REFL
THE REORGANIZED ENTITIES AND BASED ON THE
REVISED BUDGET DATA, APPROPRIATE RATES WILL B
RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD.
THE COST OF WATER TO THE DISTRICT IS
SCHEDULED TO INCREASE ON JULY 1 BY 21.5 PERCE
BARTLE WELLS HAS RECOMMENDED THAT SOME COSTS
THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM BE FUNDED BY
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A WATER RATE FACTOR. STAFF RECOMMENDATION WI
BE THAT THE BOARD INCLUDE BOTH INCREASE IN WA
COST AND COMMITMENT TO CAPITAL FACILITIES IN
WATER RATE.
AGRICULTURAL REBATES - THE AGRICULTURAL
REBATES RECEIVED BY THE DISTRICT WILL BE PASS
ALONG TO THE CITY FOR DISTRIBUTION TO THOSE
QUALIFYING CUSTOMERS. IT IS STAFF'S
RECOMMENDATION THAT THESE CREDITS BE PASSED
ALONG AT THE TIME THE DISTRICT RECEIVES THE
CREDIT FROM THE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.
NEW DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS: THIS AREA IS
BEING CONSIDERED IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE
THE WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT.
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS: A MASTER PLAN IS
BEING READIED FOR BOARD CONSIDERATION BY THE
DISTRICT ENGINEER. THE COMBINATION OF THE
MASTER PLAN AND THE RECOMMENDED FINANCING PLA
WILL ALLOW THE DISTRICT TO MEET THE NEEDS
IMPOSED BY THE CONTINUED POPULATION INCREASE
THE DISTRICT AREA.
MAJOR FACILITIES CHARGE: THERE ARE TWO MAJOR
FACILITIES CHARGES RECOMMENDED FOR BOARD
ADOPT I ON.
1. A DIRECT CONNECTION SURCHARGE OF FIV
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HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS TO BE LEVIED AT
THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT ON AN
E.QUIVALENT DWELLING UNIT BASIS TO BE
IMPLEMENTED JULY 1ST. THIS CHARGE WILL
BE FOR THE ISOLATED LOT WHICH IS BEING
DEVELOPED AND IS BENEFITED BY THE
EXISTING SYSTEM, BUT FOR WHICH THERE
HAS BEEN NO PAST CONTRIBUTION IN TERMS
OF 'FACILITIES OR FEES,
2, SECOND ITEM IS A MAJOR FACILITIES
CHARGE OF EIGHT HUNDRED EIGHTY DOLLARS
TO BE LEVIED AT THE TIME OF A BUILDING
PERMIT ON AN E.D.U. BASIS TO BE
IMPLEMENTED JULY 1. THIS CHARGE WILL
PROVIDE FOR THE REVENUE CONFIGURATION
NECESSARY FOR THE FINANCING OF THE
PROJECT IDENTIFIED IN THE IMPROVED
MASTER PLANS.
IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE DEFINITION OF
E.,D.U. ADOPTED BY THE BOARD BE CONSISTENT WITH
THE DEFINITION USED BY THE CITY. A copy OF THE
CITY E.D.U. IS ATTACHED.
METERED RATES: THE METHODOLOGY FOR THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF WATER RATES FOR BOTH
CONSUMPTION AND READY-TO-SERVE ARE THE SUBJECT
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OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE OF THE WATER SERV
AGREEMENT.
DISTRICT RESERVES: STAFF RECOMMENDS NO
SPECIFIC RESERVE LEVELS AS FORMAL BOARD POLIC'
BUT THE RECOMMENDED RESERVE LEVELS FROM THE
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CONTINUING FISCAL MANAGEMENT.
COLLECTION OF FEES: THE WATER SERVICE
AGREEMENT PROVIDES THAT MAJOR FACILITIES
FEES WILL BE COLLECTED BY THE CITY ON BEHALF 1
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THE DISTRICT.
THAT CONCLUDES MY FORMAL REPORT.
THE PRESIDENT: THANK YOU, TOM.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIQNS BY ANYONE IN THE
AUDIENCE OR ON THE BOARD?
MR. DODD: WHEN DOES THIS BECOME EFFECTIVE FOR THE MAJOR
FACILITIES FEES? IS THAT EFFECTIVE
RETROACTIVELY LIKE PROPOSED OR WILL THAT BE
JULY, ANY PERMITS ISSUED AFTER JULY lST?
MR. BRAMMELL: OF COURSE, THE BOARD WILL ADOPT WHATEVER T
FINAL DECISION IS, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME,
IT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THOSE FEES B
EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST.
THE PRESIDENT: MAY I HAVE YOUR NAME?
MR. DODD: PHIL DODD, WITH D.S.L. SERVICE COMPANY.
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THE PRESIDENT: THANK YOU.
MR. MEADOWS: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST AS A POINT OF INFORMATIOI
MR. PHILIP E. DODD, I ASSUME THE SAME
INDIVIDUAL --
MR. DODD: RIGHT.
MR. MEADOWS: -- WROTE A LETTER ADDRESSING THIS SUBJECT An
THE LETTER IS DATED MAY 18, 1983, AND IN THIS
LETTER, HE DOES EXPRESS HIS VIEW THAT THE
CHARGES NOT BE MADE RETROACTIVE, AND P MIGHT d
THAT THE BARTLE WELLS REPORT DOES RECOMMEND TI
THE CHARGES BE RETROACTIVE. HOWEVER, STAFF H,
A DIFFERENT OPINION AND IS RECOMMENDING THAT
THEY NOT BE RETROACTIVE, BUT BE EFFECTIVE AS
JULY 1.
THE PRESIDENT: THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO
CONSIDER.
MR. MEADOWS: I DO HAVE MR. DODD'S FORMAL LETTER AS A PAR
OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD,
THE PRESIDENT: FINE, THANK YOU.
MR. WILLIAM SAVAGE: MAY I ASK A COROLLARY QUESTION? IT
SPEAKS OF RETROACTIVITY TO PROJECTS THAT ARE
EITHER APPROVED OR CLEARLY BEING PROCESSED
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MR. BRAMMELL: IT'S ANTICIPATED IN OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT
THE TIMING -- THE CRITICAL TIME IS THE TIME TI-
BUILDING PERMIT IS ACTUALLY DRAWN AS OPPOSED 7
BARTLE WELLS REPORT ADDRESSES SOME OTHER TIME
WHEN MASTER PLANS ARE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED L
THAT SORT OF THING.
THE STAFF FEELS THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER
ADMINISTERED IF WE COLLECTED THE FEE FOR THE
MAJOR FACILITIES AT THE SAME TIME THAT ALL OTt
FEES OF A LIKE NATURE ARE BEING COLLECTED,
SCHOOL FEES, PARK FEES, AND THE WHOLE
ARRANGEMENT OF COLLECTING FEES FOR PUBLIC
FACILITIES. WE'D LIKE TO BECOME A PART OF TH,
PROCESS AND NOT ISOLATE ONE ACTIVITY FROM
ANOTHER.
MR. WILLIAM SAVAGE: SO YOU'RE SAYING IRRESPECTIVE OF
WHETHER A PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED OR NOT,
THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. IT'S WHETHER THE PERM1
HAVE BEEN PULLED; THAT WOULD BE THE TRIGGER?
MR. BRAMMELL: YES.
THE PRESIDENT: YOUR NAME, SIR?
MR. WILLIAM SAVAGE: WILLIAM SAVAGE.
THE PRESIDENT: THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. HELLMAN: MY NAME IS DOUG HELLMAN, I'M FROM RICK
ENGINEERING. I HAVE A LETTER FROM BOB LAB, k
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COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. I WOULD LIKE TO -- I
HAVE COPIES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PASS OUT, ANI
BOB HAS ASKED IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR THE
BOARD TO CONTINUE THEIR DECISION FOR A PERIOD
TWO WEEKS TO A MONTH TO ALLOW FURTHER INPUT F!
SOME OF OUR CLIENTS WHO HAVE PROPERTY IN THE
AREA WHO HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO BE AWARE OF
THE POSSIBLE IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT.
THE PRESIDENT: YOU'RE DOUG HELLMAN?
MR. HELLMAN: DOUG HELLMAN, YES.
THE PRESIDENT: THANK YOU. RICK ENGINEERING,
MR. HARTER: MY NAME IS JAMES HARTER, I'M WITH THE
HUNTINGTON BEACH COMPANY. WE OWN ONE HUNDRED
ACRES ON PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD. I WOULD LIKE
ENDORSE RICK ENGINEERING'S RECOMMENDATION THA
YOU CONTINUE THIS SO WE HAVE TIME TO STUDY IT
WE GOT THE STUDY YESTERDAY, AND WE'VE JUST BE
ABLE TO LOOK AT IT VERY BRIEFLY AND WE DON'T
FULLY UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF T
MAJOR FACILITIES CHARGE.
WE DON'T HAVE AN OPINION SPECIFICALLY ON
ANY ONE ITEM UNTIL WE HAVE TIME TO STUDY IT
FURTHER.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE THOUGH
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NOW, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS WHICH WE THOUGHT
SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE THE STUDY
WHICH WE DIDN'T SEE WAS THAT IF A FACILITY
BENEFITS ALL USERS IN THE DISTRICT, SHOULDN'T
COSTS OF THE FACILITY BE BORNE BY ALL OF THE
WATER USERS IN THE DISTRICT?
FOR EXAMPLE, THE COGENERATION PLANT, I
ASSUME THAT WOULD BE GENERATING ELECTRICITY F(
SALE TO THE ELECTRIC COMPANY AND SHOULDN'T TH(
REVENUES, IF THOSE REVENUES COME INTO THE
GENERAL REVENUES OF THE WATER DISTRICT,
SHOULDN'T THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS BE BORl
BY ALL WATER USERS SINCE THEY BENEFIT FROM THI
REVENUES?
ALSO, IN THE REPORT, IN THE FORECASTED
REVENUES, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THE REVENUES F
THE COGENERATION PLANT BEING FORECASTED IN
THERE, IN ARRIVING AT A CASH FLOW ANALYSIS OF
IT.
ALSO, I'M NOT SURE IN THE STUDY HOW THE
CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE DETERMINED BY YEAR,
WHETHER IT'S ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COST THAT'S
BEING LAID OUT OR WHETHER IT WAS BEING DONE
BY ASSESSMENT DISTRICT AND THEN THE AMORTIZEC
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SHOWN AS THE CONSTRUCTION COST BY AN ANNUAL
RATE.
OKAY, ONE OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS THAT WE I
WAS THAT THE BARTLE WELLS REPORT INDICATES THI
THE STORAGE RESERVOIRS ARE TO BENEFIT THOSE
PEOPLE WHO CAN USE THE INTERRUPTABLE SERVICE
RATES, PRIMARILY AGRICULTURAL, AND, YET, THE
AGRICULTURAL USERS DON'T BEAR ANY COSTS OF TH
FACILITIES FOR THE STORAGE.
NOW, THERE'S A CONTRADICTION BETWEEN THA
AND WHAT MR. KUBOTA SAID, IN THAT HE SAID THA
THE RESERVOIRS WERE FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS,
WHICH WOULD WOULD BENEFIT THE ENTIRE DISTRICT
AND I'M NOT SURE NOW WHETHER IT'S JUST FOR TH
AGRICULTURAL USERS OR WHETHER IT'S FOR ALL US
IN THE DISTRICT. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE
ADDRESSED ALSO.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO BRING OUT IS
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUIVALENT DWELLING UNITS
E.D.U.'S, EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS OR EIGHT
HUNDRED EIGHTY DOLLARS, AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE
SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT FOR OUR SPECIFIC
PROPERTY, WHICH IS A HUNDRED AND TEN ACRES,
WHICH ISN'T THE LARGEST TRACT OF LAND. SMALL
LANDMARK OWNS CONSIDERABLLY MORE. COLWELL Ob
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HUNDRED AND TEN ACRES, THAT REPRESENTS A COST
US OF OVER SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON AN
EQUIVALENT DWELLING UNIT BASIS.
IF YOU TAKE THAT -- IF YOU TAKE THE
CARLSBAD ZONING, WHICH PERMITS FIFTY PERCENT C
YOUR LAND USAGE TO BUILDINGS, AND YOU PRORATE
THAT UPON THIS EQUIVALENT DWELLING UNIT, THAT
ADDS ALMOST TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS PER ACRE TO 1
COST OF A DEVELOPMENT, AND IF YOU PUT IT ON Al
ACRE BASIS OR A SQUARE FOOTAGE BASIS, THE TEN
THOUSAND DOLLARS PER ACRE IS QUITE A
CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND IT CAN REAL1
AFFECT THE ECONOMICS OF THE ENTIRE INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AREA. I THINK THIS STUFF SHOULD E
LOOKED AT IN YOUR DECISION ON IMPLEMENTING A
MAJOR FACILITIES CHARGE AND AS A RESULT OF THI
TYPES OF QUESTIONS, WE ENDORSE RICK
ENGINEERING'S RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU CONTINUI
THIS FOR TWO TO FOUR WEEKS SO THAT WE CAN STUl
IT FURTHER.
THE PRESIDENT: THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR INPUT. ALL OF
THESE THINGS WILL BE CONSIDERED, OF COURSE, AP
WILL ALL BE TAKEN UNDER ADVICE IN THE FUTURE..
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO
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MR. ALESHIRE: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FEW
COMMENTS ON THE REPORT AS THE CITY MANAGER,
CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT REVIEWED THIS, SO I'M NO
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT,
ONCE, I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING
DO, AND MY COMMENTS ARE MEANT IN SUPPORT OF Y
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PROPOSAL, BUT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT I TH
NEED TO BE POINTED OUT.
FIRST, ON THE WATER RATES THEMSELVES, WH
MR. MEADOWS HAS RECOMMENDED BE HELD OVER SO TI
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CAN WORK OUT AN INTEGRATED BUDGET AND THEN CO
BACK WITH A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION ON WATER
RATES. WE DO NEED TO DO THAT. WE'RE WORKING
IT NOW, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO
HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU BY JULY 1, BI
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO ADOPT
THAT RATE INCREASE BY JULY 1.
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THE CITY, AND WE BELIEVE THAT IF IT HAS TO SL
A MONTH OR TWO, WE CAN COVER THE ADDITIONAL
FORTY OR FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH OUT 01
RESERVES AND WILL NOT BE IN A DEFICIT BUDGET,
BUT THAT'S ON€ OF THE ISSUES THAT NEEDS TO BE
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SO I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU DO INTEND TO FOLLOW -
RECOMMENDATION OF MR. MEADOWS AND STUDY THE
WATER RATE ISSUE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
NOW, TURNING TO THE CAPITAL FACILITIES
CHARGE, I'D LIKE TO JUST REVIEW THE FACTS THA
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THE RYDER REPORT, WHICH POINTED OUT THAT THER
Is A CRITICAL NEED WITHIN THE ENTIRE COMMUNIT'
THE WATER DISTRICT AND THE CITY, FOR DEVELOPMI
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TO DEVELOP THE FINANCING TO PAY FOR THE
STRUCTURES AND FACILITIES THAT NEED TO BE BUI~
TO SUPPORT THE FUTURE POPULATION, SO THE CITY
STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT PROGRAM,
YOUR BARTLE WELLS REPORT ALSO RECOMMENDE
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THE EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DOLLAR CHAR1
THAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO SUPPORT THIS FIVE-YEA
PLAN WAS BASED PRIMARILY ON A CASH FLOW
ANALYSIS, WHICH SAID YOU WOULD NEED A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF MONEY EACH YEAR IN ORDER TO PAY OFF
THE BONDS, THE INTEREST AND PRINCIPAL ON THE
BONDS THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO BUILD THESE
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ARGUMENT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT
THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR A MORE DETAILED
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BUILD-OUT PLAN.
MR. KUBOTA HAS POINTED OUT THAT THIS IS
WHAT HE THINKS WE NEED TO DO IN THE NEXT FIVE
YEARS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT NEEDS TO I
DONE IN THE NEXT TWENTY-FIVE YEARS, THE FULL
DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AND WHAT WILL IT COST
WELL, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S PROBABLY Mm
LIKE FIFTY OR SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS INSTEAD 0
FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLARS, AND I THINK WHAT WOUl
BE DESIRABLE IS TO PRICE OUT THE LONG-RANGE
BUILD-OUT PROGRAM, AND THEN TRANSLATE THAT IN'
A FINANCING PROGRAM WHERE YOU MIGHT SAY EIGHT
HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DOLLARS PER E.D.U. IS THE
CORRECT NUMBER, BUT MAYBE IT ISN'T THE CORRECl
NUMBER, BECAUSE MR. WELLS DIDN'T LOOK AT IT FF
THAT POINT OF VIEW.
HE ONLY LOOKED AT IT FROM THE POINT OF V:
OF WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO BUILD OUT THIS FIVE-Yk
PROGRAM, SO I KNOW THIS CAN'T BE DONE BEFORE
JULY 1, AND I'M NOT URGING YOU TO DELAY YOUR
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ACTION, I'M ONLY SAYING THAT A FOLLOW-ON STUD
WHICH WILL PROBABLY TAKE ABOUT A YEAR, SHOULD
MADE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE FULL CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WILL BE AND THEN MORE TIM
SPENT IN DETERMINING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PAY
FOR IT,
THE CAPITAL OR MAJOR FACILITIES CHARGE 0
EIGHT HUNDRED EIGHTY DOLLARS PER E.D.U. IS ON
ONE PART OF THE FINANCING PROGRAM.
YOU WILL ALSO HAVE WATER SALES, WHICH WO
BE USED TO PRODUCE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE CAPIT
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
MR. WELLS SUGGESTS TEN PERCENT SURCHARGE
THE WATER WHOLESALE RATE MIGHT BE AN APPROPRI
NUMBER.
WELL, WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT AND MAKE A
DETERMINATION.
THERE ARE OTHER REVENUES, PERHAPS THE
REVENUES FROM COGENERATION OR FROM PROPERTY
TAXES, OR OTHER REVENUES AVAILABLE TO THE
DISTRICT CAN BE USED TO FINANCE THAT CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
I HAVE A FEELING THAT THE EIGHT HUNDRED I
EIGHTY DOLLAR CHARGE WILL BE -- WILL GENERATE
MORE MONEY THAN MR. WELLS ESTIMATED, BUT I DO
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THAT HE ESTIMATED THAT WE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING
LIKE TWO HUNDRED E.D.U.'S PER YEAR. WELL, I
THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE LIKE A THOUSAND I
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HAS NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT, AND
IN FACT, THERE IS NOT MUCH DATA, OTHER THAN
WHAT'S IN THIS BARTLE WELLS REPORT THAT WE COI
LOOK AT, SO I WOULD URGE YOU TO CARRY ON THIS
LONGER RANGE STUDY AND THE CITY WILL WORK WIT1
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WATER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
I'M THINKING OF VACANT LOTS IN THE SERVI
AREAS WHERE A VACANT LOT DID NOT PAY FOR THE
COST OF WATER FACILITIES, BUT WOULD BE ALLOWE
TO HOOK ON AT NO CHARGE.
NOW, THIS REPORT RECOMMENDS THAT THAT
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LANDOWNER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY TO THE CITY
AN AMOUNT OF MONEY. IT MIGHT BE FIVE HUNDRED
DOLLARS, IT MIGHT BE MORE OR LESS, DEPENDING C
WHAT IT COST TO BUILD THE WATER SYSTEM ON THAl
STREET.
WE BELIEVE THAT THOSE CASES SHOULD BE
EXEMPT FROM YOUR PROPOSED FIVE HUNDRED DOLLAR:
PER LOT CHARGE, AND WE BELIEVE THAT COULD BE
WORKED OUT SOMETHING ALONG THE LONG LINE THAT
YOUR CHARGE WOULD APPLY WHERE NO OTHER
REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WAS IN EXISTENCE, BUT
THERE WAS AN EXISTING REIMBURSING AGREEMENT,
THEN THE EXISTING AGREEMENT WOULD APPLY, SO I'
WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION TO THE GENERAL RULE.
OKAY, SO THAT BASICALLY IS THE POSITION
THAT I THINK THE CITY WOULD TAKE. THE CITY
COUNCIL WISHES TO REVIEW THIS WHEN ITnS
AVAILABLE AND MAY HAVE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS
MAKE.
ONE THING THAT SHOULD BE POINTED OUT, YO
PROPOSED THAT THE FEE BE COLLECTED WHEN THE
BUILDING PERMIT IS TAKEN OUT. I THINK THAT'S
GOOD WAY TO DO IT. IT'S A VERY PRECISE POINT
TIME.
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THERE MAY BE SOME DEVELOPMENTS WHICH ARE
A STAGE WHERE YOU WANT TO GIVE SOME
CONSIDERATION TO GRANDFATHERING THEM IN, BUT
PROBABLY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DELAY
IMPLEMENTATION, THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD BE ASKE[
TO MAKE A SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC
PROJECT, SO YOU CAN GIVE CONSIDERATION TO A
VARIANCE OR A GRANDFATHERING PROVISION.
IT'S ALSO A PROBLEM WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT A
NEW POLICY OR RATE ON HOW YOU TREAT THE PEOPL
THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE WHO ARE PART WAY IN ,
PART WAY OUT, BUT, AS FAR AS THE CITY IS
CONCERNED, WE HAVE RESEARCHED WHETHER OR NOT
THE CITY COULD COLLECT THIS FEE. MY OPINION
THAT THE CITY CAN COLLECT THE FEE.
WE WILL NEED FROM THE BOARD A RESOLUTION
AN ORDINANCE WHERE YOU ADOPT THE FEE, AND WE
WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO PRESENT TO THE CITY
AGREEMENT. IT COULD BE A VERY SIMPLE ONE-PAG
AGREEMENT WHICH SAYS THAT THE CITY WILL COLLE
AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS AND
CREDIT TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND THE
MONEYS THAT ARE COLLECTED THIS WAY.
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WORDING WORKED OUT, BUT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIL
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POINT OF VIEW, I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH ME BEING
THE COLLECTION AGENT.
ONE OTHER POINT HERE -- OKAY, THAT
CONCLUDES WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AT THIS TIME.
THE PRESIDENT: THANK YOU, FRANK.
MR. ALESHIRE: DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CITY'S
POSITION HERE?
THE PRESIDENT: I'M GOING TO OFFER THAT FOR ANYONE IN THE
GROUP HERE.
IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS (
FRANK ALESHIRE, OUR CITY MANAGER, NOW IS THE
TIME TO DO IT. THE MAIN PURPOSE AND PRIME
REASON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IS EXACTLY WHAT I
HAPPENING HERE NOW, THAT IS, THE INPUT OF ALL
CONCERNED PERSONS AND ALL OF THE INFORMATION
GIVEN TO US BY ALL OF YOU TODAY WILL BE
CONSIDERED VERY CLOSELY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTU
PAUL, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
MR. SWIRSKY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANTED TO POINT OUT TH
IN THE LITTLE SCRIPT THAT I GAVE YOU, THE MAT
OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKING THE
EVIDENCE UNDER ADVICE. YOU'VE HAD A COUPLE C
REQUESTS FOR CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEAR1
THIS WOULD NOT UPSET YOUR PRESENT SCHEDULE IF
YOU HAD THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE
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THE PRESIDENT: TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY?
MR. SWIRSKY: YES, THE BOARD WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERING
ADOPTION OF ANY RESOLUTION OR ESTABLISHMENT 01
ANY FEES PRIOR TO THAT TIME. IT MAY EVEN BE
LATER, SO I WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT TO YOU, 1
IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, SINCE THERE HA'
BEEN SEVERAL REQUESTS, THAT THIS PUBLIC
HEARING -- IF THIS IS ALL OF THE TESTIMONY, TI
YOU DETERMINE ALL THE TESTIMONY TO BE GIVEN
TODAY HAS BEEN GIVEN AND THEN THAT THE BOARD
CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL 2 O'CLOCK
JUNE THE 15TH FOR FURTHER TESTIMONY.
THE PRESIDENT: WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT TO CONTINUE IT?
MR. SWIRSKY: YES, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION.
MR. MAERKLE: I WOULD SO MOVE.
MR. KELLY: COULD I HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THIS BEFORE WE P
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THAT?
MR. SWIRSKY: OH, SURE.
MR. KELLY: THE QUESTION COMS TO MY MIND ABOUT THE FAIRNE
OF THIS EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DOLLAR FEE.
YOU START UP SOME BIG SUBDIVISION, AND THEY'R
PAYING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY. NOW, I7
MAY BE THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR A LOT OF FUTUG
SMALLER DIVISIONS THAT COME IN AT SOME TIME
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I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO SET
THESE FEES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HARD AND FAST
FOR THE NEXT TWENTY OR TWENTY-FIVE YEARS.
PRICES MAY ACTUALLY GO DOWN. IT HAS HAPPENED
BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT SOME OF TH
BIG SUBDIVISIONS MAY BE PAYING FOR THE
FACILITIES FOR FUTURE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING
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WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM HERE THAT I THINK SOME OF
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ANGLE TO THIS WHOLE THING.
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IS HIGH.
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MS BONAS: SECONDED.
THE PRESIDENT: YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR?
(THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY CARRIED.)
THE PRESIDENT: SO ORDERED.
MR. SAVAGE: MR. CHAIRMAN, DOES THAT PREVENT FURTHER
TESTIMONY?
THE PRESIDENT: NO. IT DOES NOT
MR. SWIRSKY: NO, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE CONTINUATION.
MR. SAVAGE: I MEAN NOW.
MR. SWIRSKY: I'M SORRY.
MR. SAVAGE: DOES THAT PREVENT FURTHER TESTIMONY TODAY?
THE PRESIDENT: NO, IT DOES NOT.
MR. SAVAGE: PARDON ME?
MR. SWIRSKY: MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE ACTUALLY CONTINUED T
HEARING. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ALL
THE TESTIMONY HAD BEEN GIVEN THAT YOU WANT TO
GIVEN.
THEN, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU REOPEN IT FOR
TODAY.
THE PRESIDENT: WITHDRAW THE MOTION THEN?
MR. MAERKLE: DO WE NEED TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION OR WHAT?
THE PRESIDENT: DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR? DID YOU WAN
TO MAKE AN ADDITIONAL PRESENTATION?
MR. SAVAGE: YES, I DID.
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MR. SAVAGE: WILLIAM SAVAGE, I'M A LANDOWNER FOR ABOUT FIF
ACRES, HAVE BEEN FOR ABOUT TWENTY-FOUR YEARS.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT MR. KELLY JUST MADE.
BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FOR ONE REASON, TO DEVELOF
IT AND DEVELOP INCOME FOR MY FAMILY, AND STRAP
TO SAY, IN TWENTY-FOUR YEARS, ONE ISSUE OF
GOVERNMENT OR ANOTHER HAS PREVENTED ME FROM
DOING IT.
I HAVE BEEN PAYING TAXES. THIS WOULD
SEEM TO ME TO BE A VERY PUNITIVE CHARGE THOUGI
AGREE THAT THE PURPOSES FOR WHICH IT WOULD BE
GOING ARE EXCELLENT AND I HIGHLY ENDORSE THEM
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU RECONSIDER, AND VER
THOROUGHLY, WHETHER THIS IS EQUITY TO CHARGE
TH I S MUCH.
I ANALYZE IT AS A DEVELOPER, AND I COME
WITH A FEW THOUGHTS.
YOU PUT THESE TWO CHARGES TOGETHER, EIGH
HUNDRED AND EIGHTY AND FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY
PER DWELLING UNIT, YOU'D HAVE APPROXIMATELY
FOURTEEN PERCENT OF THE TOTAL ON-SITE COSTS T
A DEVELOPMENT WOULD BEAR. I THINK THIS IS VE
DISPROPORTIONATE, A VERY DIFFICULT THING FOR
LANDOWNER -- NOT ONLY THE DEVELOPER, BUT REAL
THE HOMEBUYER, TO BEAR. WE KNOW HOUSING IS I
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THE DOLDRUMS AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET AFFORDAB
HOUSING TO THE PEOPLE, AND THIS WOULD BE REAL
AN ENORMOUS THING.
TO PUT IT OTHERWISE, ON A BUILDER'S
PROFORMA, OUR PROJECT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE A
FIVE-YEAR BUILDOUT, THIS WOULD COME TO ONE
MILLION ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON TODAY
RATE OF FINANCING TO -- FOR THE PROJECT TO BE,
AGAIN, A VERY DIFFICULT LOAD, AND IT CAUSES M
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CAN'T BE AS CONSTRUCTIVE AS I WOULD LIKE TO B
BUT I'M ONLY ASKING THAT YOU PERHAPS RECONSID
SOME ALTERNATIVES AND MAYBE SOME DIFFERENT
VARIATIONS ON THIS.
I JUST THROW OUT A FEW POSSIBILITIES THA
COME TO MY MIND, WOULD A GRADUATED SCALE OF
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SOME SORT OF A CONSIDERATION. I WOULD WONDER
IT IS EQUITABLE TO CHARGE A PROPERTY THAT HAS
SERVICE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT THROUGH IT, AND WAS
PURCHASED FOR THAT BEING ONE OF THE MAIN REAS1
THAT IT WAS PURCHASED, IT HAS SERVICE NOW, TH
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ONE THAT'S, SAY, A MILE AWAY FROM ANY SERVICE
NOW, THE MARKET BEARS THESE THINGS IN MI
AS MARKET VALUE. A PERSON WHO BUYS A MILE AW.
FROM UTILITIES PAYS A MUCH LOWER FEE FIGURE
THAN DOES THE ONE WHO HAS THE UTILITIES RIGHT
THERE, SO IF THE MARKET REFLECTS THIS, MAYBE
WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT TO REFLI
THIS IN SOME WAY.
IS - AND THIS IS JUST A QUESTION I'D LIK
TO ASK OF ANYBODY THAT WOULD ANSWER IT FOR ME
DOES THE STRUCTURE OF FEES BEAR ANY RELATIONS.
TO THE ASSURANCE THAT THESE MONEYS THAT A
DEVELOPER PAYS WOULD BE USED FOR THE DEVELOPMI
OF WATER CAPACITY IN HIS AREA OF THE DISTRICT
I HEARD MR. KUBOTA SAY THERE IS A SENSE IN WH
EACH FACILITY HELPS THE WHOLE DISTRICT.
I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. ON THE OTHER HANC
WE KNOW THAT IN THE MAIN, THE CAPITAL FEES TO
DELIVER WATER TO A GIVEN PROPERTY IN PROPER
CAPACITY ARE THE BIGGER DIRECT EXPENSE, SO I E
WOULD A DEVELOPER'S EXPENDITURES OF THESE
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FEES BEAR SOME ASSURANCE
THAT HIS MONEY WAS GOING TO DEVELOP THE CAPACI
IN HIS AREA THAT IT'S LOCATED. IS THERE ANY
CORRELATION THERE?
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MR. MEADOWS: LET ME TAKE A STAB AT IT, AND ASK FOR HELP
FROM BOTH THE ATTORNEY, ENGINEER AND THE
CONTROLLER.
THE ENTIRE FINANCIAL HISTORY, INCLUDING
USE OF IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS, PROPERTY TAXES,
AND SO ON, THAT THE DISTRICT HAD USED
TRADITIONALLY WAS PROVIDED TO THE FINANCIAL
CONSULTANT.
THE CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED
INCLUDES A PROCESS WHEREBY ALL OF THE VARIOUS
TYPES OF FACILITIES HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO
ACCOUNT, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO REORGANIZE T
CAPITAL FUND PROCESS, IF YOU WILL, OF THE
DISTRICT, SO THAT WE BASICALLY HAVE A DISTRIC
WIDE CONCEPT, RATHER THAN THE LOCALIZED
IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS WHICH USE VARIOUS TYPES
FINANCIAL VEHICLES, AND HAVE TRANDITIONALLY U
VARIOUS TYPES, SUCH AS PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH
ARE NOT FEASIBLE.
ALSO, ENTERING INTO THE PICTURE IS THE
AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE JUST EXECUTED WITH THE
CITY OF CARLSBAD, WHICH PROVIDES FOR A
DISTRICT-WIDE - AND TO A LARGE EXTENT, ALSO A
CITY-WIDE - PROGRAM OF FINANCING THESE THINGS
SO THE ANSWER I WOULD GIVE TO YOUR QUESTION I
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RATHER THAN TRYING TO BE OVERLY -- OVERLY
SPECIFIC IN TRYING TO IDENTIFY AND LOCALIZE -
AND LOCALIZE THE COSTS.
NOW, THAT'S MY KIND OF GENERALIZED ANSWEF
I KNOW I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH LEGAL COUNSEL
AS WELL AS THE ENGINEER, AND I GUESS THE BOTTC
LINE OF MY REMARK IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN
CONSIDERED BY THE FINANCIAL CONSULTANT AND IT
HIS RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ESTABLISH SUCH A
REGIONAL OR GENERAL FUND, CAPITAL FUND PROCESS
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THE FUNDS THAT WILL BE COLLECTED WILL BE PLACE1
IN A SPECIAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND FUND,
SO THEY WILL ALWAYS BE USED ONLY FOR CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS,
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THE BENEFITS OF AN AREA. I WOULD RATHER LET TH
DISTRICT ENGINEER ESTABLISH -- I THINK HE'S
ESTABLISHED A PRIORITY MORE OR LESS BASED ON
ANTICIPATED USE, BUT I WILL LET HIM ANSWER
RATHER THAN I.
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MR. KUBOTA: WELL, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. SAVAGE, LAD1
AND GENTLEMEN, THE BEST ANSWER I THINK I CAN
GIVE EVERYONE HERE IS THAT THE PROJECTS ARE
INTERRELATED, AND IF I JUST GIVE YOU SOME
GEOGRAPHY AND TOPOGRAPHY, I THINK THAT WILL H
YOU.
I THINK I TOLD YOU THAT, FOR EXAMPLE,
PROJECT NO. 1 AND PROJECT NO, 5, ONE IS A SIX
MILLION GALLON RESERVOIR AND THE OTHER IS A
NINE MILLION RESERVOIR. THEY SIT AT THE HIGk
LEVEL OF OUR ENTIRE DISTRICT.
NOW, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WHEN WE BUIL
THOSE TWO RESERVOIRS, YOU CAN APPRECIATE THE
FACT THE ENTIRE TWENTY THOUSAND ACRE AREA CAN
TAKE SERVICE FROM THESE TWO RESERVOIRS OR THE
TRI-POWER LINE ON THE NORTH.
IN OTHER WORDS, I CAN PHYSICALLY DELIVER
WATER FROM THIS AREA CLEAR OVER TO, LET'S SAY
NORTH CARLSBAD BOULEVARD, AT THE FURTHEST COR
OF THE DISTRICT, SO I THINK THERE'S NO QUEST1
BUT WHAT THESE TWO TANKS CAN BENEFIT THE WHOL
DISTRICT. I JUST TOLD YOU THE SQUIRES DAM 2,
WHICH IS PROJECT NO. 4, IT'S SITTING AT
ELEVATION OF 500. I TOLD YOU WITHOUT PUMPING
IT CANNOT BRING WATER BACK TO THIS HIGH
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I THINK YOU CAN SEE IMMEDIATELY IF WE
PROVIDE STORAGE AT ELEVATION 500, THAT RELIEV
SOME OF THE LOAD FOR THESE TWO RESERVOIRS AT
ELEVATION 700 AND I WILL GO BACK DOWN HERE IN
YOUR PART OF THE WORLD DOWN HERE WITH THE TWO
TANKS.
I TOLD YOU I THINK WE'RE SCHEDULING SIXT
MILLION GALLONS ON THAT HILL. THERE, AGAIN,
BRING SIXTEEN MILLION GALLONS OF ELEVATED
STORAGE TO THIS LOWER AREA. THAT RELIEVES TH
BURDEN ON THESE TWO UPPER TANKS, AND, IF YOU'
NOTICE, IN THE TEXT, IN TERMS OF TIME, LET ME
SHOW YOU SOMETHING.
THIS HIGH RESERVOIR AT LA COSTA, IT WANT
TO BE IN SERVICE ONE YEAR FROM NOW. OKAY?
NOW, THIS ONE OVER HERE AT THE SAME
ELEVATION, ABOUT TWO MILES TO THE NORTH, WE H
THAT PROGRAMMED IN FOR THREE YEARS FROM NOW,
BECAUSE THEY'RE SETTING AT THE SAME ELEVATION
YOU NOTICE THIS WILL PROVIDE SOME COVERAGE FO'
THIS AREA UNTIL WE GET TO BUILD THAT ONE, AND
IT'S NO COINCIDENCE THAT THIS TANK OVER HERE
TIMED IN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT WE CALL
THE RANCHO CABRILLO AREA.
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BY AND LARGE, WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO DO
DONE VERY SUCCESSFULLY IS TO WORK WITH THE
DEVELOPMENT INTERESTS AND AS THE AREA BECOMES
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DEVELOPERS, AND THAT'S HOW WE ARE BUILDING TH
MAJOR FACILITIES, SO MAYBE I'VE GONE TO SOME
LENGTH IN TRYING TO DESCRIBE TO YOU, SO IF YO
LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE MAP - AND I'M MORE THAN
HAPPY TO ANSWER SOME MORE QUESTIONS OF YOURS,
MR. SAVAGE.
BY THE WAY, WE HAVE SPENT QUITE A
CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME TOGETHER, AND I
CERTAINLY RESPECT MR. SAVAGE'S INTEREST TO LE
MORE ABOUT THE DISTRICT AND THE WAY WE DEVELOI
FACILITIES TODAY.
YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS AN INTER-
RELATIONSHIP. THE TAP LINE, PROJECT NO. 3,
THAT WANTS TO BE BUILT THIS WINTER. WE
SPENT TWO MILLION DOLLARS TO GET THE WATER FR(
SAN MARCOS OVER TO THERE, AND SO WE HAVE JUST
LITTLE WAYS TO GO, JUST A LITTLE WAYS TO GO,
AND, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT FACILITY WILL ELIMINATI
PUMPING STATION THAT THE CITY HAS AT A RESERVC
THEY HAVE IN TOWN, WHICH IS A BIG SIX MILLION
GALLON RESERVOIR. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. HERE'
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OLD VILLAGE AREA, SIX MILLION GALLON RESERVOI
BUT THAT HAS A RELATIONSHIP TO THIS SIX MILL1
GALLON RESERVOIR, BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE
HAVE ONE THERE, THIS ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE
BIGGER, WOULDN'T IT, BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE
ADVANTAGE OF BEING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT TANK WAS PUT THERE, ANOTHER TANK AT
ELM AVENUE. THERE'S A SENTINEL RESERVOIR FOR
FIRE PROTECTION FOR ALL THE MAY COMPANY AREA.
THAT'S HOW, IN PART, THESE TANKS GET LOCATED,
SEE. IT'S CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND, YE
LOCATED TOPOGRAPHYWISE TO GET FEED FROM THE
HIGHER ZONE AND DO THE BEST WE CAN FROM THE
WATER THAT WE HAVE THAT'S COMING FROM THE
COLORADO RIVER, NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. IT'S AN
INTEGRATED, INTERRELATED PROGRAM, ALL OF THE
FACILITIES ALL OF THE MAJOR FACILITIES AND
THAT'S A CORNERSTONE TO THIS ENTIRE FINANCING
PROGRAM.
MR. SAVAGE: I APPRECIATE THAT. I KIND OF CAUGHT THAT FR
YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION. I GUESS I'M WONDER1
IF ONE IS TO PUT OUT CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLA
IN FEES, WHICH I HOPE IT BECOMES LESS, IS THE
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ASSURANCE THAT WATER CAPACITY WILL BE AVAILAB
IN HIS AREA AT THE LEAST POSSIBLE FEE, AND I'
BEEN TALKING TO MR. KUBOTA. I THINK IT WILL.
THE PRESIDENT: THANK YOU, MR SAVAGE, YES, FRANK.
MR. MAERKLE: MAY I ASK MR. SAVAGE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS?
WHERE IS YOUR PROPERTY AT, MR. SAVAGE?
MR. SAVAGE: EAST OF 1-5 ALONG THE NORTH SHORE OF THE
LAGOON.
MR. KUBOTA: MR. SAVAGE'S DEVELOPMENT IS THIS PROPERTY RI
IN HERE. IT'S GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT
PROCESS RIGHT NOW. YOU ALL KNOW WHERE JOHN
LYMAN'S RANCH IS; THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
MR. MAERKLE: HE SAID ABOUT WATER GOING THROUGH IT. IS T
A TRANSMISSION LINE OR DISTRIBUTION LINE.
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THE LINE IN FROM THE HIGHWAY.
MR. MAERKLE: THEN, IT'S A TRANSMISSION LINE.
MR. KUBOTA: EIGHT-INCH LINE, THIS EIGHT-INCH LINE.
MR. MAERKLE: IT IS A TRANSMISSION AND NOT A DISTRIBUTION
LINE?
MR. KUBOTA: IT'S AN EIGHT-INCH LINE.
MR. MAERKLE: OKAY.
MR. KELLY: MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT WORRIES ME IS THAT ALL THE
THINGS ARE ALWAYS -- ALWAYS PENCILLED OUT SO
THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY IN THERE TO DO
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GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THIS, AND HE MAY BE PAY1
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COMING IN HERE. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KNOk
WHAT THIS EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DOLLARS IS
BASED ON, HOW REALLY CLOSE THAT'S FIGURED OR
COULD IT BE DONE FOR FOUR HUNDRED AND FORTY,
YOU KNOW, INSTEAD?
THE PRESIDENT: THAT'S AN ITEM, I'M SURE, ALAN, THAT WILL
FURTHER DISCUSSED AND YOU, AS A TAXPAYER AND
TIME LANDOWNER, AND MR. SAVAGE CAN WELL SHARE
TOGETHER, THAT WE WILL DISCUSS THAT FURTHER I
OUR MEETINGS WITH THE STAFF
MR. KELLY: OKAY.
THE PRESIDENT: NOW, PAUL, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY?
MR. SWIRSKY: YES, SIR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ASK IF
THERE'S ANY MORE TESTIMONY THAT WOULD LIKE TO
GIVEN TODAY.
THE PRESIDENT: IS THERE ANY MORE TESTIMONY THAT ANYBODY
WOULD LIKE TO GIVE TODAY BY ANYBODY?
MR. MEADOWS: MR. CHAIRMAN. I MIGHT MAKE ONE BRIEF REMAR
GOING ALONG WITH MR. KELLY AND SEVERAL 0
THE SPEAKERS, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I
THINK THE PROCEDURE FROM HERE ON OUT IS THAT
WILL REVIEW THE TRANSCRIPT, ANSWER IN FULL AL
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OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. I DO
BELIEVE I'VE HEARD ANY NEW ISSUES.
WE'VE HAD MANY, MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH TH
CONSULTANTS AND WITH OURSELVES AS STAFF, WE'\
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SAID, THE PURPOSE TODAY IS NOT TO TRY TO ANSW
ALL OF THESE THINGS TODAY, BUT RATHER TO HAVE
SOME TIME WITH THE OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT WITH
ANY MORE TESTIMONY THAT WE HAVE, OR NEW
INFORMATION, AND TO GIVE A VERY THOROUGH
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HAVE SAID, WILL BE TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT BY
BOARD SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION WITH
PLENTY OF TIME AND WITH ALL THE INFORMATION T
WE CAN POSSIBLY GIVE YOU TO SATISFY YOUR
QUESTIONS, SO FROM HERE ON OUT, WE WILL BE
PROCEEDING TO TRY TO ANSWER ALL THESE QUEST101
AND TO DEVELOP ANY MORE INFORMATION THAT IS
NECESSARY.
THE PRESIDENT: THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING WILL STILL BE TWO
WEEKS FROM TODAY?
MR. SWIRSKY: YES, SIR, JUST TO CLEAR THE RECORD, SINCE YC
CONTINUED AND THEN YOU TOOK SOME OTHER
TESTIMONY, I WOULD RECOMMEND A MOTION JUST TO
CONTINUE IT TILL JUNE THE 15TH AT 2:OO P. M.,
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MS BONAS: SECOND.
THE PRESIDENT: YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR.
(MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.)
THE PRESIDENT: THANK YOU.
(WHEREUPON THE PROCEEDINGS WERE CONCLUDED AT
3:22 P. M.)
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STATE OF CALIFORNIA 1
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COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO 1
I, MARTHA L. DIX, CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORT
A NOTARY PUBLIC IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, STATE
CALIFORNIA, DO HEREBY CERTIFY:
THAT THE FOREGOING PROCEEDINGS WERE REPORTED
ME AT THE TIME AND PLACE THEREIN SET FORTH;
THAT THE FOREGOING TRANSCRIPT IS A TRUE RECO
OF THE TESTIMONY GIVEN AND ALL PROCEEDINGS HELD AT THE TI1
OF THE HEARING.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I HAVE HEREUNTO SET MY
HAND AND AFFIXED MY NOTARIAL SEAL, THIS 6TH DAY OF JUNE,
1982. 7 p,%: /7"-.-7L&v <". . , "' " "-1 / "'
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