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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1981-08-17; Parks & Recreation Commission; MinutesMINUTES MEETING OP: DATE OF MEETING: TIME OF MEETING: PLACE OF MEETING; PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION August 17, 1981 6:30 P.M. Council Chambers COMMISSIONERS CALL TO ORDER; The meeting was called to order by Chairman Dahlquist at 6:31 P.M. ROLL CALL: Present - Absent - Chairman Dahlquist, Commissioners Murk, Donovan, Tarango. Commissioner Wright arrived at 6:40 P.M. Commissioner Boone arrived at 6:42 P.M. Commissioner McFadden APPROVAL OF MINUTES; The minutes of the meeting of July 20, 1981 were approved as presented. NEW BUSINESS: C. Cadencia Park Development Parks and Recreation Director Bradstreet gave a staff report on the matter, including a brief history of the proposed park site. He indicated that staff had applied for Roberti-Z'berg funds from the State to defray some of the costs for the proposed four acre park, and had obtained some funding for same. He also added that most of the work staff was proposing to do itself, thus helping to keep the costs even lower for developing this park. Mr. Bradstreet indicated, however, that complaints had been received from residents of the area and requested Commission guidance as to whether or not to continue with the development of the park. The Commission recognized Council Member Anear, who spoke in favor of developing the park site. He stressed the need for park sites and playing fields in the La Costa Costa area, and the fact that the development of some of the other parks in the area is still years away. The Commission recognized Robert King, 3373 Cadencia, who spoke in opposition to the park, due to parking problems which would result. The Commission recognized Abel Shapiro, an attorney representing Donald Ruprecht, a resident of the area, who spoke in favor of the development of the park as an active park, indicating that his client would like to see a baseball field and soccer field in that location so thai children in the area would not have to play in the streets. The Commission recognized Randy Brent, a resident of Carpa Court, who spoke in opposition to an active park in that location, and indicated that he did not feel that the area was large enough for an active park. Dahlquist Murk Donovan Tarango MINUTES -2- August 17, 1981 COMMISSIONERS The Commission recognized Lois Humphreys, 3337 Cadencia, President of the La Costa Residents Association, who spoke in opposition to an active park in that location. She suggested that the Commission either survey the residents of the area regarding the matter, or let a special assessment district be formed for the area residents to develop the area as a passive park, open space area and maintain same. Parks and Recreation Director Bradstreet reiterated the necessity and obligation of the City to provide parks and recreation areas in the La Costa Area. He added that in the past, developers have dedicated hills, canyons, and other unusable areas to the City for parks purposes, and that staff felt that this location was suitable for practicing of sports, if not for organized games. The Commission recognized Steve Hill, 3317 Cadencia, who spoke in oppostion to the park. He indicated that he did not feel the area was large enough to be suitable for any type of playing field. The Commission recognized John Mitchell, past president of the La Costa Youth Organization, who indicated that there are not enough playing fields in the La Costa area. He indicated that his organization currently has a lease to use the fields at St. Elizabeth Seaton Church, which will be in effect for the next eight years, but that after that time, they will not have any fields to use, unless some are provided by the City. He also stated that at present, his organization has 400 children as participants. Mr. Mitchell also suggested the possiblity of a tradeoff, by making El Fuerte, or some other proposed park site into an active play area instead. The Commission recognized Nancy Holland, a resident of the area, who indicated her opposition to the site becoming an active park. The Commission recognized Diane Werkes, a resident of Cadencia, who expressed oppossition to the development of the park as a playing field, and indicated that those residents with small children now had to drive quite a distance to take the children to tot lots and play areas. Commissioner Donovan expressed her sympathies for the residents of the area and indicated that even though more active parks are needed in the area, she felt that the Commission should seriously take into consideration the feelings of the residents. Commissioner Murk questioned staff as to the suitability of this location as a playing field. Director Bradstreet responded that the area would be equal in size to a Little League field, and would be large enough for a practice field for adults. He also addressed the question of balls going over the hill into the canyon adjacent, by indicating that a six foot fence is proposed around the edge of the playing field. MINUTES -3- August 17, 1981 COMMISSIONERS The Commission recognized Joseph Borg, a resident of Carpa Court, who questioned the safety of the location. The Commission recognized Sheldon Dockswell, a resident of Cadencia, who spoke regarding the safety problem also and indicated that due to the steep cliff, playing ball on that site is not safe. The Commission recognized Randy Brent, a resident of Carpa Court, who commented that the size of the location would make it large enough only for those under eight years of age to play on. The Commission recognized Steve Werkes, a resident of Cadencia, who inquired as to the reason for the bleachers, if no organized sports were to be played on the site. The Commission recognized Margaret Ann Mosley, a resident of Cadencia, who indicated that she had been told that a "natural" park was going to be put in that location. Following discussion, the Commission deferred action on the matter, and continued same to the next regular meeting. B. Occidental Park Site Director Bradstreet presented the staff report, including a brief history of the matter. Joe Sandy, of the Agatep Corporation, P.O. Box 590, Carlsbad, presented a report to the Commission on behalf of Occidental. He referenced his letter of August 7, 1981, to Director Bradstreet, and outlined the contents of same. He indicated that the dedication of the 3.95 acres for park purposes was premature, and had no relationship to previously approved or newly proposed development of the property. Mr. Sandy indicated that the newly computed park dedica- tion would require 6.01 acres, and noted that since the Parks and Recreation Department is now focusing on the establishment of larger "community" parks, the Commission may wish to consider alternatives in the matter. Mr. Sandy further indicated his request is that the Commission consider the third alternative, that is return the 3.95 acres to Occidental and require payment of the park-in-lieu fees. The Commission recognized Dwight Spire, a representative of Occidental Properties, who addressed the matter and concurred with the remarks of Mr. Sandy. Commissioner Murk inquired as to how the park-in-lieu fees are computed. Dahlquist Murk Donovan Tarango Wright Boone MINUTES -4- August 17, 1981 COMMISSIONERS Director Bradstreet responded to the matter, and indicated that staff is also recommending that the 3.95 acres be returned to Occidental, and that park-in-lieu fees be required instead. Following discussion, the Commission concurred with the recommendation to accept Alternative 3, to return the 3.95 acres to Occidental and require payment of the park-in-lieu fees, plus ten percent. Recess: The Commission called a recess at 8:15 P.M., and reconvened at 8:22 P.M., with six members present. A. Carrillo Park Site Director Bradstreet presented a brief staff report on the matter. He indicated that there would be presentations by Mr. Goff of La Costa Land Co./Daon, explaining about the Alga Norte and Stage Coach park sites, as well as a briefing on alternative site plans for the Carrillo park site, and a presentation by the Carlsbad Historical Society regarding the Carrillo park site. Mr. Bradstreet indicated that the park consultant had proposed that the Carrillo site be a special use area where private enterprise would be invited to participate in the location. Commissioner Murk at this time indicated that he would abstain from any action on this matter. The Commission recognized Mr. Jim Goff, 1241 Elm Avenue, Carlsbad, representing the La Costa Land Company/Daon. Mr. Goff indicated that he would take a few minutes to brief the Commission on Alga Norte and Stagecoach park as it will tie in with the development of the Carrillo park site. Mr. Goff continued, referencing that tentative sketch maps of Alga Norte and Stage Coach park were shared with the Commission in June, 1981. He indicated that the studies were undertaken by Daon to assist the City in formulating some concepts about how these two community parks might be developed. He also indicated that the City has indicated that it is no longer interested in one other park that had been a part of the La Costa Community Plan, that being San Marcos Creek park. With the use of wall exhibits, Mr. Goff presented various alternatives to the Commission, with reference to consolidation of recreation activities, as well as the possibility of including a site for the library in the Alga Norte site. Mr. Goff then introduced John Ortgieson, the park planner for the Daon Corporation, who addressed the Commission at this time. He indicated that he had used the Parks and Recreation Capital Improvement Program to incorporate the recreational facilities into the parks, including ball fields, tennis courts, tot lots, picnic areas, restrooms. He then, using wall exhibits, outlined the plans for Stage Coach park and Alga Norte park. Dahlquist Murk Donovan Tarango Wright Boone MINUTES -5- August 17, 1981 COMMISSIONERS Mr. Ortgieson indicated that the proposal for Stage Coach park included ball fields, tennis courts, tot lots, picnic areas as well as a gymnasium type recreational building, to be worked into the 26 acre park site. He added that also of importance to the site was the historical site, which had to be taken into consideration when working with the overall grading plan for the site. Mr. Ortgieson indicated that the Alga Norte site is 22 acres , to include baseballs fields, slope area for passive use, multi-use fields, basketball courts, recreational facility, possible library or swimming pool area. He also referenced two alternate plans which had been done at the request of the City Manager to condense the baseball areas to centralize same in Stage Coach park. With the use of wall exhibits, he explained what had been done for the alternate plans. He added that in order to centralize the facilities, much more grading would have to be done and the historical site in Stage Coach park would have to taken into consideration. He added that in the Alga Norte site, the request had been for a three to four acre library site for a 25,000 square foot building, which necessitated doing away with the passive area. In the process, of centralizing same, more grading would have to be done in this alternative also. Commissioner Donovan inquired about the inclusion of the library in the Alga Norte site. She indicated that she did not feel that a park was an appropriate site for a library. Jim Goff responded that the library had been included merely as an alternative in the Alga Norte site, but that the Library Board had expressed preference for the West Bluff site. Mr. Goff also indicated that no decision was requested of the Commission, but rather that the presentation had been given to show plans for the other parks which will service the Carrillo Ranch area. Mr. Goff also indicated that the proposed Carrillo Way, which would connect with Melrose and provide the basic access into the Carrillo Ranch Area. He indicated that since there are currently no streets out in this area, it is a bit hard to visualize. MINUTES -6- August 17, 1981 COMMISSIONERS Using another wall exhibit, the Commission was shown the location of the proposed park sites and proposed roads and extentions of roads in the area. Mr. Goff indicated that the extension of Melrose Avenue would be completed through to Alga Road sometime in November, however, he indicated that the road would not necessarily be open to the public, due to the fact that an annexation must first take place, in order that the City can take over the responsibility for the maintenance of the street. He indicated that process may take as much as six months. The presentation of the alternatives for Carrillo Park site was made by Peter Templeton of the Planning Center. He indicated that there would be a seven acre addition to the present Carrillo Rancho park site. With the aid of wall exhibits, he outlined and detailed the proposed alternatives for the addition to the Carrillo Park Site. He indicated another alternative would be for the City not to accept the land, and instead require park-in-lieu fees be paid. Mr. Templeton reveiwed the three alternative plans for the addition to the Carrillo Ranch, each with the seven acres in different locations. He indicated that due to the Parks consultant's proposal that the Carrillo Park site be a special use, or commercially oriented area, the alternatives had been drawn with that in mind. Mr. Bradstreet indicated that there is a potential slide problem in the area to the south of the Carrillo Rancho, and that in order to develope the area a key would be necessary to stabilize the area and eliminate soil migration. He also indicated that Daon might be acceptable to putting in such a key. Mr. Goff responded that he did not have any specific data at this time with regard to the expense of such a project, and therefore could not comment on the matter. The Commission recognized Mr. Chris Christiansen, the president of the Carlsbad Historical Society, who spoke on its behalf nd requested that the Carrillo Park be developed as soon as possible. The Commission recognized Mr. Manuel Castorena, also a member of the Carlsbad Historical Society, who concurred with the remarks of Mr. Christiansen, and suggested the possibility of having shops with Mexican artisans in the Carrillo Ranch, as well as retaurants, similar to Olivera Street in Los Angeles. The Commission recognized Mr. Dick Simmons, who concurred with both Mr. Christiansen and Mr. Castorena with regard to the development of Carrillo Rancho. The Commission recognized Mr. Allan O. Kelly, who indicated that he had known Leo Carrillo, and concurred with the remarks of Mr. Christiansen and Mr. Castorena. MINUTES -7- August 17, 1981 COMMISSIONERS The Commission recognized Bob Wilkinson, the City Park Planner, who commented on the three alternatives and responded to questions. Mr. Wilkinson indicated that if the Commission were to choose Alternative #1, the area to the south of the present Rancho would have to be keyed. Director Bradstreet commented that the Commission should consider the accsesibility of the area, possible ingress and egress problems of the site after the surrounding area is built up, and also the visibility problem, since the Rancho itselt will not be seen from any of the major thoroughfares. Commissioner Tarango indicated his preference for Alternative #3. Commissioner Wright indicated his preference for Alternative #1. Commissioner Murk left the meeting at this time. Commissioner Boone inquired if any of the land that would be acquired in Alternative #3 is buildable, except for the small site suggested for a restaurant site. Mr. Templeton responded that in Alternative #3, most of the land would be stabilized because the valley would be filled with dirt. Director Bradstreet, in response to inquiry, indicated the the consultant had recommended that the City take the extra land, because if the Rancho was a successful venture, the land would be necessary for expansion. Following discussion, the Commission returned the matter to staff for further report regarding the possibilty of not accepting the seven acres and requiring the payment of park-in-lieu fees instead. D. 1981-82 Capital Improvement Program Director Bradstreet presented the staff up-date on the status of 1981-82 CIP projects. He indicated that staff has made their recommendations and requested input from the Commission. Mr. Duncanson, the Parks Superintendent, indicated that Cannon Lake Park, San Marcos Creek Park, Occidental Park Site, Altamira, Municipal Marina on Agua Hedionda, and Larwin Park near the Calavera area have all been deferred. He indicated that all the figures for the Macario project are from the consultant. E. Landscape Medians - City-Wide Streetscape Program. This matter was continued to the next regular meeting. Dahlquist Donovan Tarango Wright Boone MINUTES August 17, 1981 COMMISSIONERS DIRECTOR'S REPORT A.Swimming Pool Director Bradstreet reported on the progress of the pool. He indicated that it should be completed in mid September, and that recruiting has begun for an Aquatics Supervisor. B. Macario Canyon Park/Parks and Recreation Element Revisions Director Bradstreet reported that staff is still in the process of reviewing the preliminary draft of the final document. He indicated that staff still has some questions regarding open space areas. ADDITIONAL BUSINESS A. Fuerte Park Director Bradstreet stated that the Commission had requested information on Fuerte Park. He indicated that the final estimate for grading of the site was $295,000.00 for the San Marcos School District and only $5,000.00 for the City. He indicated that the City had put $50,000.00 into the budget for the park for the first year, which will be used for turfing and irrigation for the park. He indicated that this would be a two year project, and would provide more needed ball fields in the area. B. Donation From San Diego Poodle Club Director Bradstreet indicated that he had received a donation of $100.00 from the San Diego Poodle Club to thank the City for the use of Holiday Park. C. Spinnaker Hills, Woodbine, and Altamira Director Bradstreet indicated that the homeowners association found out that a ten foot area belongs to the City, so they cut the water off, and told the City to take over the maintenance. . Director Bradstreet reiterated the policy that the City doesn't maintain or continue to maintain open space areas if we think that they will grow in a natural state. He added that the homeowners are now unhappy because the City is not continuing to water these open space areas. He indicated that the residents in the area are complaining to the City Manager and Council, who are requesting a report on the matter. Mr. Bradstreet added that because of the water shortage which we will face in the future, the City will not continue to water manufactured slopes, that the plants will acclimate, and the City will do periodic maintenance of the areas once or twice a year. MINUTES -9- August 17, 1981 COMMISSIONERS D. Library Site Director Bradstreet reported that he is heading a Task Force for a potential library site. He indicated that the library Board is recommending a four acre park site in the La Costa area, they want the land to be given in lieu of park fees, next to a commercial setting and close to a busy arterial street. He continued, by stating that if this is done, the parks in the area will be smaller by that amount of acreage. ADJOURNMENT By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at 10:30 P.M. Respectfully submitted. Kajren R. Stevens Deputy City Clerk