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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1982-06-28; Parks & Recreation Commission; Minutes (5)MINUTES MEETING OF: DATE OF MEETING: TIME OF MEETING: PLACE OF MEETING: PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION (Special Meeting) June 28, 1982 5:00 P.M. City Council Conference Room COMMISSIONERS CALL TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order by Chairman Dahlquist at 5:03 P.M.. ROLL CALL: Present: Dahlquist, Boone, Donovan and McFadden Absent: Wright Also present were: David Bradstreet, Parks and Recreation Director Marsha Backlund, Administrative Assistant Claude Lewis, City Council Liaison APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Minutes of the Regular Meeting, held February 1, 1982, were approved as submitted. Minutes of the Regular Meeting, held April 19, 1982, were approved as submitted. Minutes of the Regular Meetings of March 15, 1982, and May 19, 1982, were tabled to the next meeting, due to a lack of a voting quorum. OLD BUSINESS: 1. BOARD SAILING REQUEST. Dave Bradstreet, the Parks and Recreation Director gave a brief staff report on the matter. He indicated that he had received a request from board sailing enthusiasts that the Commission consider recommending that they be allowed to use a portion of the Agua Hedionda Lagoon. Mr. Bradstreet distributed to the Commission Members copies of the Notice to Boaters, the current regulations for the use the for Agua Hedionda Lagoon. He then explained that jet skis are now being allowed during the week end via administrative approval by himself if they are taken by boat to the far end of the lagoon. Mr. Bradstreet continued by stating that the lagoon now has less use by power boats than before, and that there have not been any more accidents. He indicated that the jet ski activity and passive types of aquatic activities have expressed desire to use the lagoon. He indicated that the revenue from the lagoon has been decreasing, and the greatest part of the money budgeted for the lagoon was for police salaries (80%). He continued that the police are forthcoming with a recommendation to stop the patrol on the lagoon by a policeman and instead hire a recreation specialist with all the necessary skills. This person would carry a radio to be able to contact the police department if need be, but he indicated that the savings would make the program self sustaining. Boone Dahlquist Donovan McFadden Boone Dahlquist Donovan McFadden X X MINUTES June 28, 1982 Page 2 COMMISSIONERS Commissioner Boone commented on the fact that the lagoon is now getting less use, and expressed concern that this was not the intent of establishing the regulations for its use. Council Liaison Lewis commented that the liability question has much to do with the decline in the use of the lagoon. Commissioner Dahlquist inquired as to why those using Mission Bay are not required to have insurance. Mr. Bradstreet responded that insurance is not required on Mission Bay, due to the fact that it has public access and is open to the ocean, and is State waters. But he indicated that Dr. Sarkaria, now as a private property owner can and is requiring those launching at Snug Harbor to have insurance. Mr. Bradstreet referenced 3 proposals from the last meeting, those being: A. The windsurfer proposal B. The Bristol Cove Homeowners proposal C. The SDG&E proposal He indicated that Proposal C would aid the City by providing a place for board sailers and sailing enthusiasts instead of letting them use the large lagoon. Mr. Bradstreet indicated that staff did not want a mixed use on the lagoon at the same time because the City's insurance carrier has recommended that the mixed use be eliminated. Mr. Bradstreet expounded on the Proposal C, which included that YMCA/City lease be terminated, and that SDG&E lease the water rights of the middle lagoon to YMCA, and the jet ski area be put into Snug Harbor, making Snug Harbor 5 mph for power boats and skis, and that boats would only pick up and drop off skiers at Snug Harbor, and that skiers be allowed to use the middle section of the large lagoon. He indicated that this was suggested because of the dangerous condition of the sand bar and the fact that many boats were having problems with it. Mr. Bradstreet indicated that SDG&E would only let the outer lagoon be used if the City would agree to take over the entire liability for the outer lagoon and manage and patrol it and take over the fishing beach. He also indicated that SDG&E indicated that they might provide more parking areas also. Mr. Bradstreet indicated that staff felt it did not want to enter into this type of agreement at this time, but that they would like to keep the door open, due to the fact that the State is in the process to revamp parking and access in the beach areas within the next two years and that the bridge along Carlsbad Boulevard over the Lagoon is in need of repair or replacement and that the City has a grant to do so. He indicated that the grant specifies that the bridge must be four lanes, which would eliminate most of the parking, and the State and SDG&E do not want the bridge to be four lanes. MINUTES June 28, 1982 Page 3 COMMISSIONERS Mr. Bradstreet commented that the board sailers could go the SDG&E to work out an agreement to use the outer lagoon, but that the board sailers and sailers are not interested in doing this. Mr. Bradstreet introduced a new proposal; that the outer lagoon continue being off limits, that the City continue to lease the middle lagoon from SDG&E, and that the City tell the YMCA does not have any right to use the water and if they continue to charge the City, we will charge them each year to use the water; and that board sailers and sailers be allowed a special area in the eastern end of the lagoon; take jet skis and put them into Snug Harbor; put buoys along the eastern area from Bristol Cove. Mr. Bradstreet indicated that the biggest problem with allowing board sailers on the eastern end of the lagoon is the problem of access. He indicated that possible access could be through the Kamar property along the lagoon, east of Bristol Cove. Council Member Lewis indicated that he felt that the sand bar may not be a problem for persons who use the lagoon all the time, but that the out of towners who do not know the lagoon have problems with it. Commissioner Donovan inquired if access could be gotten for sailers from Java Murni. Steve Lees addressed the Commission, and indicated that he had talked to the owner of Java Murni, who had expressed agreement to allow the sail boards and boats to launch from his property. He indicated the money currently being made by the City from the launch and permits for power boats is decreasing and suggested that the City could increase its revenue from rental fleets of sail boats and instruction of sailing and sail boarding of hundreds of dollars a day. Dave Sammons, the operator/manager of the Snug Harbor Marina indicated that the low tides in the Snug Harbor area have caused problems with boats in the shallow water. He added that is the reason for suggesting that the jet skis be allowed in that area since they can manuver in shallow water without the problems that boats have. It was moved that the Commission accept the proposal of the Parks and Recreation Director, with the exception of board sailing on the eastern lagoon. The motion died for lack of a second. It was moved that the Commission accept the proposal of staff to allow board sailers on the eastern lagoon on a trial basis for 30 days from the time that Council approves the matter. The motion failed due to lack of a majority. It was moved that sail boarding not be allowed on the eastern lagoon, and that something be worked out with the YMCA so that sail boards would have access in the middle lagoon, and that jet skiing remain at the very eastern end of the lagoon, so that jet skiing and water skiing would not be mixed and that the speed limit remain 5 mph in the Snug Harbor area. The motion failed due to lack of a majority. Boone Boone Dahlquist Donovan McFadden Boone Dahlquist Donovan McFadden X X X X MINUTES June 28, 1982 Page 4 COMMISSIONERS It was moved that sail boards not be allowed on the eastern lagoon, that an agreement be worked out with the YMCA for sail boarding on the middle lagoon, require a 5 mph speed limit for power boats in the Snug Harbor area, allow jet skis in the Snug Harbor Area. The motion died for lack of a second. It was moved that no sail boards be allowed on the inner lagoon, that the speed limit on Snug Harbor be 5 mhp for power boats, that the operator be required to put up bouys for a boat lane, that there be no start ups in the 5 mph area, and that jet skis be allowed in the Snug Harbor area, and that staff work with the YMCA for sail boarding in the middle lagoon. 2. CALAVERA HILLS COMMUNITY PARK. Dave Bradstreet, the Parks and Recreation Director gave a brief staff report on the matter. He indicated that Roy Ward had sold the land to Pacific Scene, and when Pacific Scene had built the houses, they were supposed to have put in a park, including tennis courts. Mr. Bradstreet indicated that the developers are ready to turn the park site over to the City. He indicated his proposal is to trade the value of the tennis courts for grading of the 10 acre park site. He indicated that the fill area right above the sewer plant might be a good place for tennis courts. He indicated that the cost of maintaining tennis courts now is quite extensive and indicated that the Commission might want to reconsider having additional courts built. Mr. Bradsteet indicated that he is trying to come up with ways to save money and that he felt that the City would be farther ahead if they traded the value of the tennis courts for grading of the larger site for a multi use turfed area. The Commission accepted the staff recommendation that the Director continue working with the developer to grade the park and to also look into the possiblity of accepting the 5 acre trade-off and keeping the tennis court and observation towers. ADDITIONAL BUSINESS: Chairman Dahlquist indicated that on July 19, 1982, there will be a bus trip for the Council and Planning Commissioners which will leave at 4:00 P.M. and returning at 5:30 P.M., to tour the City, and she indicated that the Parks and Recreation Commissioners have been invited to go also. She also indicated that the Commisson will have its regular meeting for July on that same date, at 6:30 P.M. She also recommended that the Commission, at its August meeting, go out to look at all the park sites, hopefully to include the new Commissioners as well. Council Liaison Lewis referenced the Council action re the park site that McMahon's had tried to buy from the City. He indicated that the matter had received a tie vote and therefore would have to be returned to Council. Boone Boone Dahlquist Donovan McFadden Boone Dahlquist Donovan McFadden MINUTES June 28, 1982 Page 5 COMMISSIONERS The Commission indicated that they were interested in the matter, however, they preferred that the land be leased rather than sold. ADJOURNMENT By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at 7:22 P.M. Respectfully submitted, ren R. Stevens, Deputy City Clerk