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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1983-08-15; Parks & Recreation Commission; MinutesMINUTES MEETING OF: DATE OF MEETING: TIME OF MEETING: PLACE OF MEETING: PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION August 15, 1983 5:00 p.m. Council Chambers COMMISSIONERS 1. CALL TO ORDER; The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Dahlquist at 5.02 p.m. 2. ROLL CALL; Present - Chairperson Dahlquist, Commissioners Popovich, Donovan and Wright. Absent - Commissioners McFadden, Conti and Cochran. Also Present - Dave Bradstreet, Parks & Recreation Director Council Liaison Lewis (arrived 5:27 p.m.) 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES; Since Commissioner Donovan had to abstain from voting on approval of Minutes of July 18, 1983, there was not a quorum. The Minutes will carry over to the September meeting. ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA; Dave Bradstreet requested an item be added to the Agenda under New Business, Reduction or Waiver of user fees for the Girl's Club. Commissioner Donovan requested an item be added to the Agenda under Additional Business regarding leash laws in the parks and beaches. 4. UNFINISHED BUSINESS; Chairperson Dahlquist inquired about the trash pickup for the beaches and Dave Bradstreet stated the trash is picked up five times a week and the beach is cleaned twice a week. Commissioner Donovan stated she would like to discuss the lifeguard situation at the Ocean Street beach. Dave Bradstreet reiterated what had taken place at the July 18 meeting of the Commission and with the City Council on this subject. Commissioner Donovan stated she would like this to be placed on the Agenda and Mr. Bradstreet noted this request. Commissioner Donovan stated her concern for the safety of beach- goers without lifeguards in that area. 5. NEW BUSINESS; C. Reduction or Waiver of User Fees for the Girl's Club This item was taken out of order to allow Mrs. Georgina Cole to address the Commission. MINUTES Page 2 August 15, 1983 COMMISSIONERS Mrs. Georgina Cole, Carlsbad, spoke to the Commission, stating the Girl's Club has a difficult time with fund-raising projects, particularly when the City charges a considerable fee for use of its facilities. She asked the Commission to consider waiving or reducing these fees for non-profit organizations such as the Girl's Club. Dave Bradstreet reported his Department had been in contact with the Girl's Club and had offered a compromise to them. This item had been on the Agenda, and the Girl's Club asked for the item to be withdrawn. The Commissioners expressed the opinion that fees cannot be waived for one group without waiving them for all groups that appeal to the Commission. The fee schedule is graduated and the consensus of opinion was that the Commission must follow that schedule. The Commission rejected the request for reduction or waiver of fees for the Girl's Club. A. Citizen's Complaint Regarding Fuerte Park Dave Bradstreet gave a report on this item, stating he had talked with the complainant and had assured her the park use would not be out of control. B. Aqua Hedionda Lagoon Study Dave Bradstreet gave a report on this item, referring to the written report included in the packet. He used a wall chart to show the proposed projects and three drawings showing the projects in detail. The Land Use Plan for Agua Hedionda was referred to by Mr. Bradstreet and the Dredging Plan. The three areas proposed for improvement projects were Hoover Street, at a cost of 1.2 million dollars, South Shore and the Papagayo (Windsong Cove) area at a cost of approximately $175,000. Mr. Bradstreet reported on the financing of these projects, mentioning the possibility of a grant being available, and a loan program. Commissioner Donovan suggested the possibility of a bond issue for the financing of these projects. Mr. Bradstreet asked the Commission for direction and comments for his presentation to the Council. Commissioner McFadden had commented to Mr. Bradstreet that she wanted public access when the bullet train goes through; voted "no" on the Hoover Street project;"yes" on the South Shore and Papagayo area; "yes" on dredging. Dahlquist Popovich Donovan Wright MINUTES Page 3 August 15f 1983 COMMISSIONERS — — Commissioner Donovan stated she was in favor of the South Shore development; "no" on Hoover Street; "yes" on dredging. She felt there should be an inducement to Papagayo to cooperate in developing South Shore together. Commissioner Donovan commented on the possibility of a bond issue and the involvement of Proposition H. Commissioner Wright favored the South Shore development, working with Windsong jointly; "no" on Hoover; "yes" on dredging. He commented that the City should have control of all three sections of the lagoon and felt eventually the outer and middle lagoons should be for passive use and the main lagoon for active use. Commissioner Wright reiterated his belief that eventually there must be passive use, due to the Macario Canyon at the east end of the lagoon. Councilman Lewis commented if there are marinas available, boaters will be attracted to the area and be willing to pay for the facilities. Commissioner Popovich stated he was in favor of everything recommended, provided funds can be obtained. He further stated he thought this would be a fantastic asset to the City. Chairperson Dahlquist was in favor of all of the projects mentioned and the dredging. She stated she would like to see the public accessways made more accessible to the public. Dave Bradstreet summed up the opinions of the Commissioners, stating the Commission felt this was a regional project, but would benefit the City by bringing more people into the area to take advantage of the facilities. 7. COMMITTEE REPORTS: A. Traffic Safety Commission Results on Diagonal Parking at Chase Field Commissioner Popovich reported on the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee meeting, and the diagonal parking at Chase Field, stating the Committee again denied the request. The reason for the denial was safety. However, the "T" markings on the street were to be completed as soon as possible. Commissioner Wright suggested the Commission wait until the new space markings are in use to determine how many new spaces were created, and to take the matter up again early next spring. 8. DIRECTOR'S REPORT: In addition to the Green Sheet, Dave Bradstreet commented the slide show on the Triathlon was excellent and will be presented at the Chamber of Commerce Meeting at Andersen's Pea Soup. He added he wanted to enter the presentation for an award. MINUTES Page 4 August 15, 1983 COMMISSIONERS 9. ADDITIONAL BUSINESS; A. Leash Laws Commissioner Donovan inquired about leash laws in the parks and on the beaches, and Dave Bradstreet stated dogs are not allowed in the parks (except for dog shows), but are allowed on the beaches on a six foot leash. 10. ADJOURNMENT TO OUTER CITY PARKS TOUR Due to the snail number of Commissioners present, it was decided to cancel the Tour and reschedule it for the October meeting. That meeting will be at Levante, and the Commission decided to meet at 5:00 p.m. at Levante for the Tour, and the meeting will be held following the Tour. ADJOURNMENT; By proper notion, the Meeting was adjourned at 6:59 p.m. to Monday, September 19, 1983, at 5:00 p.m. at Carrillo Ranch. Respectfully submitted, Harriett Babbitt, Minutes Clerk r JUNE 27, 1983 TO: TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATING COMMITTEE FROM: Steve Tisdale ITEM 3: REQUEST FOR ANGLE PARKING ON CHESTNUT AVENUE AT CHASE FIELD Nature of the Problem Paial Wahl, President of the Carlsbad National Little League, and Shirley Dahlquist, Chairwoman of the Parks and Recreation Commission, requested diagonal parking on Chestnut Avenue between Harding Street and Madison Street (see attached). Discussion Chestnut Avenue is 64' wide and 250''.in length at the area diagonal parking is requested. At the present time, approximately 24 cars park parallel on both sides of Chestnut Avenue. The requested diagonal parking would accommodate approximately 42 cars. In the past, the City has discouraged diagonal parking because of the higher- accident rate due to cars backing into the flow of traffic. There is ample parking on both sides of the streets surrounding Chase Field. Recommendation Staff recommends denying this request at this time. STEVE TISDALE ST: mint attachment ATTACHMENT A TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATING COMMITTEE MONDAY, JUNE 27, 1983 I RON BECKMAN'S OFFICE - 3:00 P.M. MINUTES « Members Present: Chairman Ron Beckman, Vince Jimno, Roy Kackley, Jim Thompson Members Absent: Bill Baldwin, Gerald Long Others Present: Steve Tisdale 1. Approval of Minutes The minutes of the May 23, 1983 meeting were approved as presented. 2. Speed Limit on Marron Road The Committee recommended posting 25 mph speed limit signs between El Camino Real and Avenida de Anita; also posting 35 mph speed limit signs between El Camino Real and the City Limits. 3. Request for Angle Parking on Chestnut Avenue at Chase Field r Beacuse of the potential increase in vehicles and pedestrian accidents I involved with angle parking, the Committee denied this request. Parking availability information is being gathered. 4. Speeding cars on Sierra Morena Since speed bumps are not an approved traffic control device, the Committee denied this reqeust. The Police Department will continue to enforce the 25 mph speed limit. The use of advisory signing to warn motorists of potential problem areas is being studied. 5. La Potalada and Milano - Yield Signs for Sight Distance The Committee recommended that staff stripe a stop bar and install on the pavement the legend "YIELD" at both yield signs. 6. News Relase by the Police Department This item was brought to the Committee's attention for informational purposes only. The Police Department will release three news release on: Jogging Safety Bicycle Safety — Skateboard/Children Playing in the Street STEVE TISDALE for the TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATING COMMITTEE ..A 0 T MINUTES Meeting of: Time of Meetings Date of Meetings Place of Meetings TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION 3:00 p.m. July 11, 1983 City Council Chambers COMMISSIONERS CALL TO ORDER; The meeting was called to order by Chairman Punches at 3:10 p.m. A. ROLL CALL; Present - Chairman Punches, Commissioners Wood, O'Day and Melideo (3i25). Absent - Commissioner Harkins. Staff Members Present - Ron Beckman, Assistant City Manager Roy Kackley, City Engineer Vincent Jimno, Police Chief Steve Tisdale, Project Manager B. APPROVAL OF MINUTES! Minutes of the meeting held June 6, 1983, were approved as presented. C. REPORT ON ACTION REQUESTED AT PREVIOUS MEETING; Steve Tisdale gave a report on the actions requestec at the last meeting, detailing what staff had done on each matter. D. STAFF REPORTS! Chairman Punches requested Item #2 be taker, out of turn to accommodate two speakers on the item. 2. Re for Angle Parking on Chestnut Avenue at Steve Tisdale referred to the map contained in the members' packets, showing the area involved.- Mrs. Shirley Dahlquist, Chairperson of the Parks and Recreation Commission, addressed the Commission, stating the need for additional parking was critical and the safety of people having to park some distanc away was a concern. She stated the Parks and Recreation Commission was in favor of granting this request. Mrs. Doris Beekham, 301 Redwood, representing the Carlsbad National Little League, agreed with Mrs. Dahlquist as to the need for additional •parking in that area. In answer to a question from the City Engineer, she indicated the fields are used every day, plus weekends, and almost the entire year, including other activities that take place there. Commissioner O'Day inquired whether parking spaces are marked, and staff indicated they were not. After discussion, the Commission agreed the parking spaces should be marked and striped, and this would increase the parking capacity. By changing to diagonal parking, only eighteen additional spaces wouTJ be gained. The Commission felt this would not offset the danger of more accidents because of the diagonal parking. Punches Wood O'Day c: July 11, 1983 Page 2 COMMISSIONERS The Traffic Safety Commission voted to follow the recommendation of the Coordinating Committee and further recommended the parking spaces be marked on both sides of Chestnut Street, extending the marking down Harding Street as far as necessary. 1. Speed Limit on Marron Road Steve Tisdale gave the staff report-, explaining the traffic survey results shown in the packet. The Traffic Safety Commission voted to accept staff recommendation on this item. k. Informational Itemsi (a) Speeding Cars on Sierra Morena (There was no discussion on this item.) (b) La Portalada and Milano - Yield Signs for Sight Distance Chairman Punches stated he wished to discuss this item, since he had initiated the request. There were photographs showing the area, with the hazard created by the landscaping being pointed out. Chairman Punches agreed that painting a bar and "yield" on the street should help the situation. (c)' News Release by the Police Department Police Chief Jimno announced there would "be news releases on jogging, bicycle safety and skateboard/children playing in the street, and these would be placed in the sports section of the newspaper. He asked the Commissioners to let him know if they wanted any other safety releases. OFF AGENDA.ITEM; Roy Kackley, City Engineer, presented an off agenda item to the Commission. This item was the widening of Alga Road arid the request by residents for stop signs at Alga Road and Alicante. Mr. Kackley explained the proposed plan for widening Alga Road and the meetings between staff and the residents at the present time. The speed limit was discussed, and speed surveys are going to be taken this week, with the hope that the surveys would allow the speed limit to be lowered. As it stands now, the Police Department could not enforce a lower speed limit in that area. Chief Jimno stated the Police could not use radar to enforce a lower speed limit at the present time. As far as the stop signs, again the Commissioners and staff agreed, stop signs are not feasible as speed control. The residents on Alga Road would like to have a frontage road installed, but that presents a problem as far as the cost. It was agreed that where Alga Road narrows down to two lanes is an extremely dangerous area and needs to be corrected as soon as possible. Punches Wood O'Day Melideo Punches Wood O'Day Melideo MINUTES July 11, 1983 Page 3 COMMISSIONERS Mr. Kackley stated he wanted to present this problem to the Commission for their reactions, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF COMMISSION - Discussion The Commission discussed the function of the Commission, with Kr, Kackley and Mr. Beckman expressing the views of staff. Mr. Kackley stated the City Engineer has a definite responsibility as the traffic engineer for the City He felt it was his responsbility to do his job as he saw it, and if the Traffic Safety Commission felt, at any time, he was not doing the job properly they should call him before them. He stated that anything that was not within his authority should then be requested by the Traffic Safety Commission of the Council. The Commissioners discussed the role of the Traffic Commission as a policy-reviewing "body and a source of public input. It was agreed the public should be made aware they have a review board to take a problem to if staff cannot solve it satisfactoril ADJOURNMENT; By proper motion, the meeting was adjourned at 5O3 P-m. Respectfully submitted, Harriett Babbitt, Minutes Clerk T TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATING COMMITTEE THURSDAY, JULY 28,1983 ENGINEERING CONFERENCE ROOM - 3 P.M. MINUTES Members Present: Chairman Ron Beckman, Jim Thompson, Gerald Long, Steve Tisdale representing City Engineer Members Absent: Vince Jimno, Bill Baldwin Others Present: James Popovich, Parks and Recreation Commission 1 Approval of Minutes The minutes presented. of the June 27, 1983 meeting were approved as Alga Road - Request for Speed Limit Signs The Committee recommended ch.anging the existing speed limit of 45 mph to 35 mph on Alga Road from El Camino Real to Alicante. This recommendation reflects an engineering analysis of the roadway. In this area the highway, traffic and roadside conditions are not readily apparent to a driver thereby warranting a reduced speed limit, when Alga Road is widened and improved. At that time the Committee recommends 40 mph.' The Committee also recommends posting 40 mph signs on ATga Road from Alicante to El Fuerte. Longview Drive - Request for No Parking The Committee recommended posting no parking any time signs on the west side of Longview Drive for its entire length, because 32' is too narrow to allow 2 parking lanes and 2 driving lanes. jlosp Way - Request for Speed Limit Signs A 35mph speed zone on Hosp Way from El Camino Real to Monroe Street was recommended by the Committee, because the critical speed was 34 mph for eastbound traffic and 38 mph for westbound traffi c. Chase Field Parking Previously available information was reviewed, no new information was presented; therefore, the Committee reaffirmed its previous recommendation of denial due to the increased potential of accidents involving vehicles and/or pedestrians. Page -2- TSCC - MINUTES - 7/28/83 OFF-AGENDA ITEM: 6• El Camino Real & Arena! - Warning Lights for Fire Station No. 2 TCTP #3137} Fire Chief Thompson brought this item up. Because of the lack of warrants, and minimal delay to the fire trucks entering El Camino Real from Arenal, this project will be recommended for deletion from the C.I.P. When warning lights are warranted, the project will be reviewed again by the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee and the Traffic Safety Commission. STEVE TISDALE ST:mmt r September 9, 1983 . TO: PARKS & RECREATION DIRECTOR FROM: Administrative Assistant 1982-83 FISCAL REPORT r Background This report is to update you on the financial status of the Parks & Recreation Department during fiscal year 1982-83. Our objective is to generate revenue through self-supporting recreation programs. This fiscal year,the goal of the Recreation Division was to be 45% self-sustaining. Status of'Expendl tures/Revenue . The revenue has been arranged into four categories. This includes Recreation, Aquatics, Agua Hedionda Lagoon, and miscellaneous income. The figures are: Recreation Aquatics Aqua Hedionda Lagoon Miscellaneous Revenue ' "Generated $187,740 76,282 11,049 14,712 $289,783 Expenditures $352,656 145,704 11,315 N/A $509,675 -% Self Supporting 53% 52% 98% - N/A 57% Goal 45% N/A 100% N/A N/A Attendance 47,745 45,661 N/A N/A 93,406 It is important to see where the revenue is being generated from. Except for the .Agua Hedionda Lagoon, the monies have been received from the following programs/activities: Recreati on: Facility Rental Recreation Classes Sports : Youth Miscellaneous Daytrippers $21,186 66,598 53,324 - 12,133 342 34,157 $187,740 r 1982-83 Fiscal Report -r September 9, 1983 | Page 2 Aquatics: " • * ' Special Events $ 6,187 Pool Rental 7,007 Contractual Classes 35,954 Recreation Swim .25,724 Miscellaneous 1,410 $76,282 Miscellaneous: . Donations $ 175 Macario Agriculture Lease 4,895 SDG&E Beach Clean-Up 7,800 Community Garden - ' 990 • Firewood Sale . 312 $14,712 Conclusion P With mail-in registration, the new brochure format, and the addition of new | classes, the department exceeded their-goal of 45% in recreation by 8%. The municipal pool does not have an established goal, however, the revenue collected greatly exceeds our expectations. We felt a figure of 40% would be extremely good, and that amount has been surpassed by 12%. Agua Hedionda Lagoon missed meeting its objective by only 2%. Since we have hired a Recreation Specialist to patrol the lagoon instead of a Police Officer, it is costing the City much less. . Departmen t's Maj o r Accompl i s hrnehts f 6r •' FY 82-83 1. Prepared a city-wide Landscape Manual. 2. Coordinated the development of Jefferson Elementary School Park Multi-Use Athletic Field. ' 3. Rehabilitated the Scout Hut and Holiday House. 4. Conducted the Triathlon. •. .5. Revised the fee structure and the rules and regulations for use of facilities. 6. Prepared an Employee Handbook. 7. Leased Macario Canyon Park for agricultural, purposes. 8. Received grant monies from the State. 1982-83 Fiscal Report ' " September 9, 1983 Page 3 . 9. Developed a Community Garden on the property across the street from City Hall. • 10. Implemented a Forestation project at Pio Pico Park. 11. Established a Street Tree Committee. 12. Coordinated the painting of Magee House. • 1.3. Assisted in the preparation of the joint-use agreements with the Carlsbad Unified School District and the San Marcos Unified School District. 14. Renegotiated the sublease with the YMCA for use of the middle portion of Agua Hedionda Lagoon. Department Goals & Objectives for FY 82-83 .1. Promote interagency cooperation of community recreation service organi- zations, school districts, and other such agencies. We have successfully negotiated and implemented agreements with the Carlsbad Boys and Girls Club, the San Marcos Unified School District, the Carlsbad Unified School District, and the North Coast Family YMCA. 2. Develop funding strategies for land acquisition and development. Staff has pursued a number of funding sources including the Park-in-Lieu, the Public Facilities Fee, the Federal Block Grant Program, and state grants„ 3. ' Encourage and promote development of recreational facilities by private enterprise that may be used by the general public. In 1982, the Parks and Recreation Element was adopted. The document provides guidelines for the development of private-public facilities. We are constantly looking for new ways to implement this concept. 4. Expand recreational programs and facility in South Carlsbad. We have completed or added improvements in the South Carlsbad area over the past year. This includes Cadencia Park - turfed field; Levante Park - landscaping; La Costa Canyon Park - tennis courts, walkways, trails, and picnic areas. 1982-83 Fiscal Report •• September 9, 1983 • ' Page 4 5. Continue and expand self-support-ing recreational programs. This fiscal year our goal was to be 45% self-supporting. We surpassed this goal by 8%. Mailing the'brochure increased class registration by 100%. 6. Seek volunteers in all aspects of Parks & Recreation Programming. The Parks & Recreation Department uses volunteers for many of their projects and programs. This year we also got assistance from the Hi-Noon Rotary, the Evening Rotary, and the Optimist Club. 7. Provide adequate beach access and parking in cooperation with the State .Parks and Recreation Department and other appropriate agencies. Staff has given the State assistance on their Development Plan for San Diego County. Since the sand has shifted to the beaches south of Buena Vista Lagoon, the City is providing trash clean-up. The Tamarack parking lot has also been repaired. r MARSHA BACKLUND MBrjm c: Lynn Chase r "Green Sheet" Carlsbad Parks & Recreation Department September 19, 1983 On September 10, 1983, the playground equipment at Levante Park was installed by the Carlsbad Evening Rotary Club. We sincerely appreciate the time they contributed to the project. We would like to give the Rotarians an "Atta Boy". Don't forget the Padres vs. the Dodgers on September 29. Tickets are still available. The cost is $15 per person. This includes your transportation and ticket. The contractor has begun working on the parking lot addition adjacent to the Swim Complex at Carlsbad High. The project will be completed by October 1. The City received a grant of $20,000 from the Federal Jobs Bill to plant trees and install irrigation at Macario Canyon Park. The project will be finished by September 16. It is located on the south side of the park in the proposed Botanical Garden. The Parks & Recreation Department has recently made a change. Helen Johnson has been transferred to Harding Community Center to work as a Clerk Typist for the Recreation Division. Dana O'Neal and Kathy Wilkinson (Post) are both working at the main office on a part-time basis. The California Parks & Recreation Society District XII is sponsoring a Casino Knight on Saturday, October 15 at the "Barn" in San Marcos from 7:30 p.m. till Midnight. The donation is only $8.00 per person. The Commissioners are invited to participate. All proceeds will be used for scholarships and the general fund. Tickets are available at the main office. Fall registration has been completed and classes began the week of September 12. Look for two volleyball tournaments this month. The 1st Annual Grass-4's Volleyball Tournament is scheduled for Saturday, September 17 next to the Carlsbad Municipal Pool. The 3rd Annual "End of Summer" Beach Volleyball Tournament for doubles will be held at Oceanside Harbor Beach the weekend of September 24 & 25. "Green Sheet" Carlsbad Parks & Recreation Department August 15, 1983 The Parks Division is sponsoring a firewood auction on Saturday, August 20th, at 9:00 A.M. The auction is open to the public and will be held at the rear of the Parks and Recreation Service yard across from City Hall. The multi-purpose athletic field at Jefferson Elementary School is completed. The area is now under a 90-day maintenance agreement with the contractor. The facility will be dedicated on August 30th at 8:00 A.M. The Staff from the pool and the Fire Department participated in a joint training session on July 23rd. The objective of the workshop was to share ideas with each other on spinal injury and the self-contained breathing apparatus. A Catalina Camp-out has been scheduled for August 26th-28th. The activity is open to youth ages 10-14. Highlights of the trip include swimming, snorkeling, and exploring on and around this lush and beautiful island. The department conducted its 1st Annual Summer Pitch-Off Horseshoe Tournament on Saturday, August 6th. Nine doubles participated in the extremely successful event. The 5th Annual Bodysurfing Contest will be held the week-end of August 13th and 14th. We expect between 150-200 participants. Several of the top world female and male bodysurfers will compete. Again, Mr. and Mrs. Keith Chase have developed a fantastic slide presentation of the Triathlon. Many thanks to Keith and Lynnl Come join Padre Baseball on September 29th, when the San Diego Padres play the Los Angeles Dodgers. The cost is $15/person and includes transportation and your ticket price. The bus will be leaving from the new parking lot across from the Chamber of Commerce at 5:00 P.M. There will be a tail-gate Party in the parking lot between 4-5 P.M. Tickets are available at Village Realty, Harding Community Center, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Senior Citizen Center. The activity is sponsored by the Carlsbad Sports Committee. Statement of John Conti Read to Parks and Recreation Commission July 18, 1983 Commissioners, Ladies & Gentlemen, I am a volunteer, unpaid, member of a City Commission. I belong to no Group, Organization, or Company that does business, requires services, or in anyway has dealings with the City of Carlsbad. I believe that any City Official, Commissioner or Employee should be, or conduct themselves in a manner that assures them to be entirely free of conflicts of interest. If I have shown any irritability or impatience towards the steady and endless processions of private, independent pressure groups desiring free or reduced rate services from the taxpayers of Carlsbad, its because I think all private, independent groups should pay their own way in all things. I will and do apologize for evidencing any public disdain for these organizations or individuals. I have been accused, in writing, of publicly attacking the character °f a Paifl advocate of one of these private, independent, pressure groups, and have been asked to publicly apologize. Being unaware of any such alleged incident I will not demean myself by apologizing. If any person who comes before this commission to ask for public funds cannot support their pleadings with true facts and finds it uncomfortable to answer politely phrased, cogent, simple questions by a commissioner, I think it should be the task of said organization to find an individual that can make these answers without self-consciousness or invasiveness. I am awaiting advice from my attorney as to how far we will carry this matter. John Conti