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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1989-10-16; Parks & Recreation Commission; MinutesMINUTES Meeting of: PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION Date of Meeting: October 16, 1989 Time of Meeting: 5:00 p.m. Place of Meeting: City Council Chamber COMMISSIONERS CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Dahlquist-Bursvold called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. ROLL CALL: Present:Chairperson Dahlquist/Bursvold, Commissioners Ward, Welshons, Castner, Knox, Commissioner Strayer arrived at 5:06, Commissioner Lawson arrived at 5:15. STAFF PRESENT: David Bradstreet, Director of Parks and Recreation Keith Beverly, Senior Management Analyst Ken Price, Principal Recreation Supervisor Doug Duncanson, Park Superintendent Frank Mannen, Assistant City Manager APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Commissioner Castner requested a clarification on Page 8, last paragraph, to state that in place of "their", replace it with the Northwest Quadrant Groups half of the report. Commissioner Knox requested a change on Page 5, changing the date of, and receipt of Michael Dodson's letter to September 15th and not October 15th. The Minutes of September Commission meeting were unanimously approved. APPOINT SCRIBE: Commissioner Welshons was appointed Scribe for this meeting. Commissioner Knox made the Motion to accept the September scribe report as written. Motion passed unanimously. PUBLIC OPEN FORUM: There were no request to address the Commission. Dahlqi 1st Dahlqx1st 004 .-Bursvold Ward Welshons Castner Knox Strayer -Bursvold Ward Welshons Castner Knox Strayer MINUTES Parks and Recreation CommissionOctober 16, 1989Page 2 COMMISSIONERS PRESENTATIONS: None. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Commissioner Castner requested that AB#1089-3 National Volleyball Center Proposal be the first issue addressed in front of the Northwest Quadrant Park Issue. With that change the Agenda was approved unanimously. Motion was made by Commissioner Castner. CONSENT CALENDAR: The Consent Calendar was affirmed by the Commission. Motion was as follows: 1. AB #1089-1 DIRECTOR'S REPORT Parks and Recreation Commission accepted and filed the Director's Report for September/October 1989. Commissioner Lawson made the motion that passed unanimously. DEPARTMENTAL REPORTS: AB 01089-3 NATIONAL VOLLEYBALL CENTER PROPOSAL David Bradstreet gave staff report regarding this issue. He stated this issue has been before the Parks and Recreation Commission for consideration at the June Commission meeting at which time the Commission had several questions regarding the proposal and directed staff to return to the Commission with more specific information regarding their concerns. Mr. Bradstreet stated staff had met with Terry Liskevych to specifically address concerns and that a report had been prepared and attached to the agenda bill for discussion. Prior to discussion of this issue staff had prepared video tape for review by the Commission. The first video tape was an introduction of the volleyball program headed by Terry Liskevych as interviewed on CBS morning news. The second video was of the US Women's Volley Team and the US Men's Volleyball Team in Olympic competition and the Men's award ceremony for the Gold Medal. Continuing with the staff report, Mr. Bradstreet referred to the exhibits on the wall which identified two alternatives. The first alternative consisting approximately of five acres of land, this alternative would consist of a practice facility, multi-purpose gym (approximately 25,000 square feet), a sports medicine fitness and health center (approximately 005 Dahlqx1st-Bursvold Ward Welshons Castner Knox Strayer Lawson MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 19893 COMMISSIONERS 10,000 square feet), office space (approximately 10,000 square feet), and an outdoor sand volleyball court and seating area approximately (20,000 square feet), and parking estimate for 100 cars at approximately 40,000 square feet. The second alternative for a National Volleyball Center and Events Convention center would require approximately 15-20 acres as estimated by staff. In addition to alternative one this would require 37,000 square feet for an events facility/convention facility seating for 5,000 people and a parking estimate for 1,200 cars or 480,000 square feet which would require 11 acres. David Bradstreet again referred to the staff report and stated that although no site had been permanently identified for such a facility, the sites that were being considered are Alta Mira, Alga Norte, Cannon Lake, Macario Park and Zone 5. Mr. Bradstreet made comment of Commission questions during the June meeting regarding the cost of the construction being born by the private sector, parking requirements for anywhere from 100 to 1,200 cars (depending on the alternative). Outlined a time of use and the availability of the facility for public use, and stated that there would be a use fee similar to current fee supported recreation programs. The land considerations would require an agreement for lease and that there was no development time line. The cost for maintenance and operation would need to be further considered. The landscaping issues would need to be determined. Possible revenues that could be generated would be provided through sports medicine clinic, fitness center, events center, and special events. Revenues generated by the City could be used for supervision and program cost and maintenance and operation cost at a prorated basis. Mr. Bradstreet stated that the benefit to the City of Carlsbad would be local, State, National and World- wide recognition, public use and revenues. He stated that the gymnasium would be multi-purpose and future issues which would be further considered would be parking, traffic, circulation, building sizes, neighborhood compatibility, and/or opportunities for additional recreation amenities. Mr. Bradstreet stated that if conceptual approval for the facility would be recommended, that staff would need to work with Mr. Liskevych and the City Manager's office to further address this issue. Terry Liskevych addressed the Commission at this time stating that with a National Volleyball Center, you would not only draw from the Men's and Women's Olympic teams but other volleyball entities as well. Mr. Liskevych reiterated that staff along with himself and people from his organization have worked very hard to formulate this concept of a national volleyball center which could act as a national center for 006 MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 Page 4 COMMISSIONERS volleyball organizations. Turned over for Commission discussion, Commissioner Strayer spoke in favor of the proposal concept and added that this proposal would be an opportunity for a government contribution to the Olympic effort and training of Olympic individuals. Commissioner Strayer felt that this is an excellent opportunity for not only Government but the citizens of Carlsbad to contribute to the Olympic spirit. Commissioner Knox stated she has no opposition to exploring the possibility of this concept further, however, she felt that there were an awful lot of questions and concerns that need to be answered definitely, before this project would be in the development stages. She further stated that there is a great deal of differeace between the two alternative proposals and funding for these centers clearly needs to be further defined. She stated in theory she felt that she could endorse further study of this issue. Terry Liskevych responded in saying that he understands that the funding issues would obviously need to be further explored, but if a conceptual approval for this project were given, that he could pursue even further his exploration for funding from the private sector. Mr. Liskevych stated that he would put together a financial proforma prior to approaching private sector funding and would also make that available for Commission presentation. Mr. Bradstreet stated that based on the Commission's direction that staff is to provide for a balance of recreational needs within the community. Reference was made to a privatization approach of providing additional recreation amenities over and above that balance as stated in the element. If the possibility exist to provide that, staff has in fact considered that privatization approach. This volleyball center may well provide for that type of a situation. Commissioner Castner reiterated Commissioner Knox's feelings that many questions still need to be answered, however, he would be willing to give a conceptual approval to start the process of providing for this type of facility. Commissioner Castner stated he felt it is important for staff to make sure that this proposal would be a win, win situation for all parties involved. Commissioner .Castner further indicated that the difference between providing a five acre parcel and the difference between providing a twenty acre parcel is quite significant and could not support a twenty acre parcel for the volleyball proposal at Alta Mira park. 007 MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 Page 5 COMMISSIONERS Mr. Bradstreet stated that Mr. Liskevych and staff were well aware that an events center requiring up to twenty acres would and should necessary not be a consideration for a future community park site. However, a facility such as that may well fit within the future Macario Park. Commissioner Welshons queried Mr. Liskevych as to what would happen to the building should U.S.A. Volleyball decide to vacate the proposed site. Mr. Bradstreet stated he felt that was an excellent question which needs to be further explored for a actual determination. Mr. Liskevych stated that issues such as that would need to be addressed during a lease agreement formation, however, he did not feel that his volleyball organization would decide to make such a move as Commissioner Welshons had referred to. Commissioner Welshons asked Mr. Liskevych where his training will take place until such a training facility is established. Mr. Liskevych responded that he is currently training in the Balboa area of San Diego, however, the future of that site is questionable at this time. Mr. Liskevych further stated that his training facility and administrative offices as well as therapy centers are located in different locations throughout San Diego. Commissioner Welshons felt that the hours of use as identified in the current report were excellent, however, questioned what would happen if the volleyball use time was greater and needed more hours per day, and how that would be worked out. Again, Mr. Liskevych responded that those are particular questions that need to be addressed further and would be done so in a lease agreement with the City. Commissioner Welshons questioned whether the sports medicine clinic would be opened to the public. Mr. Liskevych indicated that yes, in fact it would be open to all members of the community on a paying basis. He further stated that the sports medicine clinic would in all probability be a private venture. In terms of the revenue mentioned in the proposal, Mr. Liskevych indicated that any generation of revenue would need to be further outlined in an agreement between the City and the participants of the volleyball organization. - 008 MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 Page 6 COMMISSIONERS In conclusion, Commissioner Welshons said that she can support the idea in concept and was appreciative of such an opportunity where corporate sponsors could support amateur athletics. She further stated that this has the potential to bring elite coaches for the children and young adult athletes in Carlsbad. Commissioner Ward had several questions, one, she wanted to know what the financial status was of Mr. Liskevych's organization towards building this type of facility. Mr. Liskevych stated that although he did not necessarily have a financial basis as of yet, his group is prepared to work towards the commitment of funding for this proposal during the next couple of months. And further stated that there are a number of entities which would be joining in on the venture as it relates to a national volleyball training center. Commissioner Ward further queried Mr. Liskevych as to when he anticipated such a facility coming on line and if he was willing to wait three to five years for this facility to become a reality. Mr. Liskevych responded that he was aware that such a facility would not be constructed before 1992 or 1993 in time for the upcoming Olympics. Mr. Liskevych acknowledged that indeed it may take until 1995 or 1996, before all the pieces of a complete development are put together, and further acknowledged the possibility of Macario Canyon providing a piece of the development scenario and realizing that the park will not come on line until 1998+. Commissioner Ward stated she did have some reservations regarding this development proposal. Oneof which being the assessed evaluation of land in Carlsbad as being second only to San Diego within the County, and in terms of providing one of these scenarios, 20 acres would be quite a bit of money. Commissioner Ward felt that this was a good opportunity for private development, but reiterated that 20 acres is quite a large donation. She felt that as a government donation that government already has a very large demand on it for donations from varying aspects, everybody wants something from government. Commissioner Ward stated that she felt this type of proposal would have a very heavy impact on residential neighbors, both in terms of visual effects, and traffic concerns. She felt she considered this proposal a major development proposal in size, scope, and traffic, and further stated that the facility exceeds Carlsbad building height. Parking was another concern and suggested the requirement of the events center would take up to 8 acres. She felt that the community park should be 100% available to the 009 MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 396 COMMISSIONERS community which it serves. She again reiterated she felt this was a great opportunity for private enterprise. Commissioner Lawson questioned again regarding the 5 acre proposal, and the 15-20 acre proposal, and the amenities associated with each one. Mr. Bradstreet reiterated the 15-20 acre site would include an events facility/convention center. Commissioner Lawson stated that the figures on the graphic displays would indicated that the alternative with the events center would indicate an area of 24 acres. Mr. Liskevych commented that these are approximate acreage figures and square foot figures and that actual acre size may vary. Commissioner Lawson questioned Mr. Liskevych if he has run any proforma on these two different scenarios. Again, Mr. Liskevych said to date he has not, but pending a conceptual approval his group would work towards that end. Commissioner Lawson questioned who would be funding the refinement of further investigation because he had some concerns over the use of staff time to perform this type of work. His concern was over the amount of staff time that would be required to be consumed with further studies. Mr. Liskevych stated that they have not explored the future investigation of this proposal. However, he felt that the National Volleyball Association Incorporated would absorb the great majority of the cost for further investigation, but would necessarily need to depend on staff input. Mr. Liskevych responded that he would have no objection to discussing the issue of who would prepare or bear the cost further. Again, Mr. Liskevych stated he would need to pursue that further with staff, and return for further direction. Commissioner Lawson questioned David Bradstreet as to if there are negative concerns that would arise over providing office buildings in parks, because of the specified land use designation. Mr. Bradstreet stated he would need to investigate that situation further, and return at a future point in time in a more refined development proposal. Mr. Bradstreet further stated a great deal of issues would necessarily need to be reviewed by departments within the City that possess a great deal more expertise in matters related to their jurisdiction. 010 MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 396 COMMISSIONERS Commissioner Lawson further queried staff as to whether this would be an example of privatization development as discussed in the 1989 Park and Recreation Element. Mr. Bradstreet stated that in his opinion it was indeed an aspect of privatization approach to development. Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold stated that all of her questions had been answered through the Commission discussion and further stated that she liked the idea, and realized that it is conceptual at this point, and the big picture must still be further analyzed. She further stated she could endorse the concept at this point and referenced that this is the type of situation that was the type of development that was suppose to be incorporated within Macario Canyon all along. Mr. Don Conner, 921 Begonia Court, addressed the Commission and stated that he was a member of the Southwest Quadrant coalition which represented over 3,500 residents. Me spoke essentially in opposition of this type of development within Alta Mira park. In summarization he was essentially in favor of this type of development in support of athletes, however, could not specifically endorse the City's donation or lease of land for this venture. But again, did support such a facility for the type of training that it could provide. Mrs. Renada Mulrey, addressed the Commission in opposition of this proposal. Her primary reason for opposition was because she did not feel that such a privatized proposal such as volleyball or any other privatization approach toward development belongs in the development of any City park. Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold reiterated that the privatization approach toward recreational development within Macario Canyon has long been thought of, and told Mrs. Mulrey that this is not a new approach in terms of the philosophy of Parks and Recreation Commission. Commissioner Knox made the motion to accept in concept for further exploration to research the possibility of a national volleyball center and events/conference center in Carlsbad. Commissioner Lawson requested further clarification if in fact the motion addressed his concerns regarding staff time and cost involved in the efforts put forth in the formation of any further studies regarding this proposal. Commissioner Ward referred to developer fees that must be paid for development proposals submitted to the City. Commissioner Knox restated her motion and indicated that was in fact the intent of her motion was that on ist-Bursvold Ward Welshons Castner Knox Strayer Lawson MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 19899 COMMISSIONERS staff further investigate on the possibility providing this center. With that clarification, the Motion passed 6-1, with Commissioner Ward voting in opposition for reasons so stated in the affirmed mentioned minutes. Commissioner Knox then reiterated that her motion was to reflect further details to be worked out regarding staff time, and the cost of such time and who that cost was to be absorbed by. She requested this issue clarification and those items come back to the Commission in the next month or two. The Commission at this point adjourned for a period of twelve minutes. PUBLIC HEARINGS: 2. AB #1089-2 SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT NORTHWEST QUADRANT PARK ISSUES Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold referenced a memo received by the Commission from Clint Phillips, staff liaison to the Historic Preservation Commission, requesting the Commission to consider the purchase of the Ramsey House in reference to the Northwest Quadrant Park issues, and also requested further explanation on the location of the proposed 10 acre purchase within the Northwest Quadrant as outlined in the report. Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold introduced the item stating that the Subcommittee representatives would address each of these six issues as outlined in the report. The first item for discussion was whether school acreage should be counted within the parks inventory. The issue was addressed by Commissioner Welshons. Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold proceeded to introduce the item and read briefly from the Agenda Bill prepared for this issue, highlighting the time sequence and events which occurred during the committee proceedings. Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold stated that the goal of the committee was to discuss parks issues related to the Northwest Quadrant of Carlsbad for consideration to and recommendation by the Parks and Recreation Commission for ultimate consideration by the City Council. She explained that was the responsibility the committee was charged with. At this point, Commissioner Welshons addressed issue number one concerning counting school park property towards the park acreage requirements as identified in the park inventory. Commissioner Welshons highlighted the committee findings. 1. The City of Carlsbad has joint use/maintenance agreements with the school district for their property. 012 MINUTES Parks and October 16, Page 10 Commission 1989 COMMISSIONERS 2. The school sites provide recreational use for the community. 3. The Carlsbad Parks and Recreation Department schedules the use of those facilities by the community. 4. The children who are residents of Carlsbad utilize the playgrounds and hard court surfaces during school P.E. classes and recess periods, as well as the afternoon and weekend basis. 5. The school sites are open to all members of the community on an after school and weekend basis for recreational use. 6. The City provides financial support for the rehabilitation development and/or maintenance of the school facilities to enhance their recreational potential; 7. The school district does not have the financial resources to enhance these areas to the degree that the City maintenance forces do. 8. The Civic Center Act guarantees the opportunity for continued recreational use of these facilities should the property become for sale. The property is offered to local governing agencies at 25% below the fair market value of that property. Commissioner Welshons stated the Subcommittee recommendation to the Parks and Recreation Commission was that school district property should continue to be counted towards meeting the parks standard as identified in the park acreage inventory. She further stated that she emphasized the word continue in that this Commission approved the adoption of the 1989 Parks and Recreation Element in which it was identified that park property should count towards meeting the parks standards and that it was also included as adopted in the 1982 Parks and Recreation Element. At this point, Commissioner Strayer commented that in south Carlsbad a number of years ago, the school facilities were the only sites that provided recreational opportunity in that location at a point in time when there were no other facilities available. Had it not been for those joint use agreements, the opportunity for recreational sites would have been non existent had it not been for school sites. Commissioner Strayer further stated that the Commission should do everything in their power to continue the process by which school acreage is counted toward meeting the parks standard. Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold addressed issue number two, "accepting tne 1989 Parks and Recreation Element." 013 MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 Page 11 COMMISSIONERS Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold stated that the Subcommittee position was that the 1989 Parks and Recreation Element should be accepted as presented and outlined the process by which that element revision was formulated. She stated that there were several Subcommittee meetings which were open to the public in order to formulate this document. The element was presented as a Commission item under public hearings in both the north and south portion of Carlsbad. The element was unanimously approved, it was reviewed by the General Plan Review Committee with recommended changes, and those changes have been so noted and the element will go before the Planning Commission for consideration shortly and then to the City Council for adoption. She further stated that the Commission had acknowledged that if a change is necessitated in the element that provisions do exist to change the element up to three times per year. Issue number three was also addressed by Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold and the issue was park acquisition/development plans for the Pine Street school site (replacement plan, reallocation of P.I.L. funds). Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold stated that through the Subcommittee proceedings it was acknowledged that perhaps the acquisition of Pine Street school may not become available in the time frame as acknowledged in the Parks and Recreation Element. The committees findings were that consideration should be given for the reallocation of funds as identified in the C.I.P. budget (for Pine school acquisition). Issue 4, "to improve upon the number of existing areas for recreational use in the Northwest Quadrant, the following sites have been identified for possible buy, sell, lease, trade, develop or rehabilitate." Commissioner Lawson introduced this issue, and reported that this perhaps was the focus of the Subcommittee's efforts in terms of a request to provide additional specific parks in the Northwest Quadrant as they relate to serving the demographics of the quadrant. Commissioner Lawson stated that the committee members toured the park sites as outlined in the committee report and stated that essentially these park sites were brought up by members of the Northwest Quadrant group. However, in terms of placing each of these park sites in a prioritization, the voting members of the committee as a whole placed them in priorities 1- 5. The prioritization was more or less a consensus of the entire group. Commissioner Lawson stated that the committee findings and position on each of these possible future park sites is outlined in the report, however the priority which they were listed does not necessary reflect the Parks and Recreation Subcommittee's prioritization of those items, but reflects the prioritization of the entire group as a whole. 014 MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 12 COMMISSIONERS Commissioner Lawson referenced priority #1, the establishment of a trail system and stated that staff is currently investigating the formation of a trail system in relation to the Open Space Committee and the work that they have done and felt that a continuation in the evaluation of this possible trail system is part of an ongoing study. Commissioner Lawson also referenced the property north of Denny's Restaurant and stated that it was not part of the original tour, and that it was indeed brought up later in discussions. He felt that this area was brought into discussion, as part of the demographics, its location being between the two lagoons east of the railroad tracks and just west of 1-5, which would serve an area with a great deal of population. With reference to Hosp Grove, potential for park development, Mr. Lawson stated it did not particularily fall into the aforementioned demographics, however the Commission Subcommitee members felt that because the property is owned by the City, it does have a great potential for development in terms of providing for a quicker development. In reference to priority #3, Commissioner Lawson stated the area in the vicinity of the Civic Center seems to be unclear in terms of the future development because the property is currently being utilized for municipal purposes and the community garden as outlined in the report, currently provides for recreational use. In reference to the future Pine Street community park, Commissioner Lawson reiterated there is some uncertainty as to the future possibility of that site, however it had always been thought of by the department to be a future community park at some point in time. The reason for the future Pine Street community park was always thought of as fulfilling the initial concern of this Committee which seemed to be providing community parks where the people are, or providing for the demographics. He stated although the development possibility is uncertain at this time, the basic concept of providing a community park within that location should not be dismissed and should be held onto, at least in concept. In reference to the acquisition and development of property adjacent to Valley Jr. High School, Commissioner Lawson stated that the Committee felt that this may have some potential, especially with respect to the fact the City currently has joint use agreements with the school district and that the school district was considering the acquisition and development of this property themselves. With respect to the remaining priorities 4 and 5, Commissioner Lawson stated that the issues as outlined in the report were pretty self explanatory and the sites basically had less and less of a consensus among Committee members, and stated if further explanation was necessary that he would be glad to address any questions that the Commission may have on these sites. 015 MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 Page 13 COMMISSIONERS Commissioner Castner questioned staff as to the size of the Parks and Recreation Administration yard. Mr. Bradstreet stated the size was approximately two acres. Commissioner Castner queried the staff on the size of the community garden. Staff stated approximately one acre. Commissioner Castner also questioned the size of the property north of Holiday Park. Staff stated it was approximately 3 or 4 residential size lots. Commissioner Castner said that the area would be most appropriate for increased parking around the Holiday Park. Commissioner Lawson stated that most of the sites as outlined in the report for park development did not correspond to the park development philosophy as outlined in the 1989 Parks and Recreation Element in terms of development of larger park sites and stated that park development currently entails larger but fewer park sites. Commissioner Knox asked for clarification regarding the establishment of this priority list in view of the fact that the members of the Northwest Quadrant did not consider school acreage to be appropriately counted toward park acreage, and therefore did not consider the school sites as meeting the demographics need of the community. Commissioner Knox questioned that if these priority park sites outlined in the report were to be established that we would in fact go over and above our park acreage standard in the Northwest Quadrant if in fact the school sites were continued to be counted. Commissioner Lawson agreed. However, Commission discussion centered around the fact that these possible park sites were not specifically a reflection of just the Parks and Recreation Subcommitee, however a prioritization of both the Parks and Recreation Subcommittee and members of the Northwest Quadrant group. Commissioner Lawson reiterated these sites would simply be an enhancement to the Northwest Quadrant given the fact that the Commission still considers school sites as a valid park use. Commissioner Strayer commented on the one park site that he found to be of interest referring to the development possibility of Hosp Grove as providing a very large passive picnic area similar to that of Balboa park. - 016 i MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 396 COMMISSIONERS In reference to the railroad right-of-way linear park concept, Commissioner Strayer questioned the opportunity to develop is in light of the Risk Manager's view of liability. With regard to the use of existing community parks sites now other than school sites, Commissioner Ward stated that the primary users of those facilities during school hours are mothers' with young children and the senior population. She stated that for any future park possibility off of this list, that those facilities should provide for any shortages that would be created if in fact school district property were not counted i.e., activity fields, playground, hard court surfaces. Issue #5, identifying the financing method(s) that will be utilized for the acquisition or develop of each specific project. Commissioner Lawson stated that each particular type of financing method was discussed during the committee proceedings: 1. Park-in-lieu fees 2. Quimby Act/Parkland Dedication Requirements 3. Block Grants 4. Reallocation of C.I. P. monies 5. Redevelopment Funds 6. Public Facility Fees 7. Special Assessment Districts 8. Special Bonds 9. Joint Purchase Agreements 10. Park Bond Monies 11. Certificates of Participation Commissioner Lawson further stated that through the committee proceedings questions arose as to whether the P.I.L. funds as currently being collected had been appropriately evaluated in order to purchase future park sites. Commissioner Lawson indicated that the previous issue regarding park development opportunities suggested perhaps appropriate funding mechanisms to pursue for each individual item. Commissioner Castner commented that the Open Space Committee was asked by the City Council for further exploration in the funding of the committee's proposed development of open space areas. Issue #6, "Park dedication requirements for Zone 8 and 24 (land or money)." Commissioner Welshons stated that the committee findings were that the City Council has the opportunity to require either land or money for park purposes and that the choice between the two is made based on the following: 1. The Parks and Recreation Element - 017 MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 Page 15 COMMISSIONERS 2. The Topography, Geology Access location of land in the subdivision available for dedication. 3. The size and shape of the subdivision 4. The feasibility of dedication. 5. The availability of previously acquired parkland. Commissioner Welshons further stated the Parks and Recreation Subcommittee position was that each individual park dedication requirements of developers should be determined on a case by case basis, as current needs are determined. For reference, Commissioner Lawson illustrated on the map the location of Zone 8 and Zone 24, of the Growth Management program. Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold stated that in recent times the Commission for the most part opted to require land dedication for park development requirements. Commissioner Lawson stated that in terms of demographics and providing parks where the people are, in a situation such as this, the Commission may wish to consider requiring money dedication from developers in order to enhance a possible park development in the northern most portion of Carlsbad, where the majority of the population is located. Commissioner Castner reiterated a point made earlier by Commissioner Strayer regarding parks in close proximity to the rail road right-of-way. Commissioner Castner was not in favor of this concept. At this point, during public input, Mr. Bill Beverly, 4605 Portalata Lane, addressed the Commission concerning issue #1, applying the school district property use for recreation toward the City's park standard and including that property within the park inventory. Mr.Bill Beverly stated that he felt total credit for school land was not appropriate and neither was a total neglect of that property for park purposes in relation to the park standard. Mr. Bill Beverly stated that their should be some happy medium between counting or not counting that property, specific reference was made to tennis courts and the lack of availability to use those facilities during school hours. He felt in particular that partial credit should be given in terms of the facility standards i.e., as indicated on the ball field inventory. Again, particular reference was made to tennis courts. Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold stated that in regards to the Valley Jr. High school tennis courts that even though they are on school district property, before the point in time when the City of Carlsbad put money 018 MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 16 COMMISSIONERS towards the rehabil itation of those particular courts, they could not be used at any time, and that was a point that she wished to make. Commissioner Castner questioned staff regarding the amount of tennis courts to be constructed in the new tennis complex at Alta Mira. Mr. Bradstreet stated between 11 and 20 courts. Commissioner Castner also commented that the tennis standards as adopted in the City's facility inventory is a rather liberal figure. Mr. Bill Beverly stated that reference was made to tennis courts, but did not strictly relate to those alone. In addition, he mentioned ballfields and other facilities located on school grounds. Motion was made regarding Issue #1, to endorse the Parks and Recreation Subcommittee's position of school district property should continue to be counted towards meeting the park standard. The Motion was seconded by Commissioner Knox. Commissioner Lawson stated during the Commission comments that counting school property or not can become a show game and is in favor of providing additional facilities within an inventory i.e., tennis courts, playground, ballfields, if they are needed. Commissioner Ward indicated she has long been in favor of shared facilities and could support this issue. However, if it meant that pre-school children would not have facilities if school district land was counted, she could not. Commissioner Strayer referenced Mr. Bill Beverly's comments and felt as though he may have a good point on this issue and should be considered in the future by the Commission. Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold stated that the children utilizing those school facilities during school time are in fact Carlsbad citizens' and that Dahlqx should be considered as well. r The Parks and Recreation Subcommittee position / regarding Issue #1, passed unanimously by the ^ " Commission. * Commissioner Knox moved to endorse the position of the Dahlqx Parks and Recreation Subcommittee regarding that the^ __ 1989 Parks and Recreation Element should be excepted." "" Motion passed unanimously. Commissioner Knox moved to except the Parks and Recreation Subcommittee position regarding the Pine Street school site, and the park acquisition Danla. development plans for Pine Street school. And the^, q Parks and Recreation Commission Subcommitee was that"' the acquisition of the Pine Street school for use as a future park site at this time is uncertain. Motion passed unanimously. - 019 ist-Bursvold Ward Welshons Castner Knox Strayer Lawson .ist-Bursvold Ward Welshons Castner Knox Strayer Lawson list-Bursvold Warrinct^ u Welshons Castner Knox Strayer Lawson X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X Xx X X X X X MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 Page 17 COMMISSIONERS In reference to Issue #4, the improvement of the existing for recreational use in the Northwest Quadrant which listed a number of sites and prioritized them. Commissioner Strayer questioned whether acceptance would be approving of the priority listing of these items. Commissioner Welshons stated that the priority 1 isting represents a combination of both groups. The Parks and Recreation Commission and Northwest Quadrant group and does not necessarily reflect just the Parks and Recreation Subcommittees priorities. The Motion to accept the Parks and Recreation Commission Subcommittee findings and positions regarding Issue #4, was unanimously accepted with the recommendation that the priority listing was not particularly the issue being reviewed and that the park sites as identified under this issue follow the normal channels of facility development in relation to sell, lease, trade or develop the sites. Reference was made that the sites for consideration should be forwarded to the proper committee for processing whether it be budgetary or future park planning sites within the Commission. It was reiterated during the Motion that priority Dahlqi listings of these sites was not an issue being approved during this Motion. The Motion was then passed unanimously. With regards to Issue 15, the identity of financing methods that will be utilized for the acquisition or development of each specific project. Mr. Bradstreet questioned whether the Commission would like to add to the existing list as identified under this issue, monies received from the buy, sell, lease of property. Commissioner Strayer queried as to whether monies collected from the sale of properties in one quadrant must be applied within that quadrant. Staff responded yes, it must be spent within the quadrant in which the park site is sold. Commissioner Knox made a Motion regarding Issue #5, and moved that the Commission accept the findings of the Parks and Recreation Commission Subcommittee and endorse the standard operating procedure for the acquisition and development of specific projects. Under Commission discussion, Commissioner Knox stated Dahlqi that the Commission already has a procedure in place to determine the appropriate funding mechanisms in relation to the development of park project. The Motion as presented passed unanimously. Motion regarding Issue #6, was made by Commissioner Knox to endorse the Parks and Recreation Subcommittee position that staff should recommend dedication Dahlq requirements of developers (land or money), on a case by case basis as current needs are determined. Motion passed unanimously. 020 ist-Bursvold Ward Welshons Castner Knox Strayer Lawson list-Bursvold Ward Welshons Castner Knox Strayer Lawson List-Bursvold Ward Castner Knox Strayer Lawson X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X j MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 Page 18 COMMISSIONERS Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold made a Motion, an additional Motion was made by Commissioner Dahlquist- Bursvold that staff continue working on the 1990-91 C.I.P. budget in order to establish a specific 5 year plan for parks in the northwest quadrant. Commissioner Lawson during Commission comment stated that this in fact was the ultimate direction for the Commission as identified by the City Council. Motion passed unanimously. At this point, Commissioner Knox thanked the members of the Subcommittee who worked on preparing this report. Commissioner Knox further stated that she believes in the system of current government process of addressing citizens' concerns and believes that groups working in good faith to establish compromise and solutions to issues is the way that it should work. She further stated that she did not feel that was the end result of this committee's proceedings through no fault of the Commission Subcommitee. She felt that this report as it will be presented to the City Council will have a big whole in it, and stated that staff went through a great deal of work in facilitating the committee proceedings and that the Commission went above and beyond the call of duty. However, the committee that requested this issue be addressed failed to follow through with a conclusion to these issues. Commissioner Dahlquist-Bursvold also thanked the Subcommittee members and staff for the great deal of time that they contributed towards this effort. Commissioner Lawson also extended appreciate to all members involved and also stated that he was disappointed that the entire process of the report was not concluded as anticipated. Commissioner Welshons also expressed her appreciation to members of the Subcommittee and staff as well. She further stated that the exercise resulting in the conclusion of this report was very costly and that she had learned a great deal through the committee proceedings. Commissioner Strayer also offered his appreciation to the Commission members. COMMITTEE REPORTS 1. Carrillo Ranch Restoration Commissioner Welshons addressed the Carrillo Ranch Restoration. She stated that several members of various staff and commissions had met with the representative D. Wayne Donaldson to discuss a strategy as it relates to the expenditure of restoration funds for the Carrillo Ranch. Commissioner Welshons stated that the main areas of concerns regarding expenditures of funds were the seismic retrofit of the structures, providing access 021 Dahlqi 1st-Bursvold Ward Welshons Castner Knox Strayer Lawson MINUTES Parks and Recreation Commission October 16, 1989 Page 19 COMMISSIONERS in the vicinity of the current bridge, restoration of the Dee Dee House and the Cantina, and correcting a situation regarding an underground water surface problem. She stated that this issue will return to the City Council to establish a restoration plan instead of a previously discussed master plan for the Carrillo Ranch at this time. AGENDA ITEMS FOR NOVEMBER 20. 1989 COMMISSION MEETING 1. Parks and Recreation Annual Christmas Dinner Awards Banquet - Specifically, invitation of Commissioners' 2. Tour of the Carrillo Ranch to be determined by staff in the near future. SCRIBE REPORT: Commissioner Lawson gave the Scribe Report. ADJOURNMENT: By proper motion, the Meeting of October 16, 1989 was adjourned at 7:58 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Pamela J. Aim, Secretary Parks and Recreation Department - 022