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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1960-08-23; Planning Commission; MinutesAugust 23, 1968 1- The meeting was called to order at 7:30 by Chairman Jarvie. Bresent besides the Chairman were Commissioners, Davis, Kistler, Hardwick, Grant and Ward. Absent, Commissioner Hughes. 2- Approval of Minutes of August 9, 1960. Comnissioner Grant requested that a correction be made on Page 3, paragraph 1, making the last sen- tence of the paragraph read as follows: *%mnnissioner Grant stated that the reclassification requests in the future from R-1 to R-2 or 3 on Grand Ave. should be based on widening of Grand Avenue from present width to standard size before approved," Chairman Jarvie asked that the last sentence in the last paragraph on page 2 be corrected to read as follows: "However, it was pointed out that there should be no rezoning east on Grand Avenue and that it should be clear in the resolution that they were not approving any zone change on other property in that area." Conmissioner Davis asked that para$r;lph 4, page 4 be corrected to read as follows: The Chairman appointed Commissioners Ward and Kistler as delegates to the Planning Congress which meets 4 times a year." It was moved by Comnissioner Ward and seconded by Commissioner Kistler that the minutes of August 9, 1960 be approved as amended. All ayes, motion carried. 3- Written Communication: There were no written commnications. 4- Oral Comnunications: There were no oral connnunications. 5- HEARING - RECLASSWXATION: - Request of Archie and Fawn A. Koyl for zone reclassification from R-1 (one family residential) to R-3 (multiple family residential) on portion of Tract 231, Thum Lands, according to Map 1681 in the City of Carlsbad, said land lying between Roosevelt Street and the Santa Fe Railroad right of way at the intersee tion of Magnolia. between Roosevelt Street and the Santa Fe Railroad right of way at the intersee - " tion of Magnolia. Notice of hearing wag read. The Secretary certified as to the publica- tion of notice of hearing and the mailing of notices to property owners in the area, The Secretary then read the application, setting forth the reasons for requesting the reclassification and containing 57 sig- -2- -_ natures in support of the application. MR. WALTER CAMPBELL, 417 South Hill Street, Los Angeles, attorney representing Mr. Koyl, stated that he was interested in this project with Mr. Koyl. That the letter read by the Secretary stated further in general terms the matter of the improvements. As it stated in the letter, the proposed improvements would be under 231P National Service Act which project is the erection of premises for people 60 or ov0r. The type of people it would attract would be permanent and a good type of citizen, many of whom would come from the middle west and east. The projecfi would not be one to detract from whct is here now. That they had engaged an outstanding architect who is good at city planning and project planning. MR. JOHN LINDSAY, Santa Monica, showed a diagramatic sketch of the area in questiom, showing where the units would be placed, where rec- reation areas would be. He stated that he had planned the project in accordance with FHA standards and that he had done plans under FHA approval for 15 years. He brought out the fact that these elderly citizens were not without means. They want to come here and have sufficient money plus retirement program. Mr. Lindsay also showed a sketch of the interiors and stated they were all one bedroom units with patios. He said there would be a stone wall on the outside and a Perimeter road. The garages would back up to the railroad and all the apartments would face the center. The plans as shown were subject to Some chmge but not much. The traffic would go around the area, It was designed to include a recreation building, various hobby shops, bowling on the green etc. and a landscaped area. On the perimeter would be trees and planting as buffers so that even if the units were UnattraCtWe, they would not be seen. FHA might feel that Sme areas should be walled or landscaped. MR. DAVID DINIUS, 10921 Hooper, Los kngeles, stated that he was the owner of the property on both sides of subject property. He stated thtt he had opposed this reclassification before, thnt he backed the city up in their decision that there be no spot zoning, only so thet it would be opened up to rezoning. This plan he had not heard cf before. It is good. But what was going to be done with the property on both sides2 How was it going to be opened up? Being the major property owner, he felt he must be against it. He stated that if some plan could be made so that it would open up the property on both sides, he would not object. He mentioned thd fact that mast of the names on the list are not within 300 ft. of the property. . MR. LINDSAY then asked Mr, Dinius what he meant by both sides. Mr. Dinius showed him on the map and claimed that the original plans called for a street to go through. He stated he awned about 9 1/2 acres on one side and represents the owners of about 6 acres on the other side. Mr. Lindsay stated that the perimeter road would be gntirely on the Koyl property. He remarked that as far as a road going on into Mr. Dinius property, he was not in a position to state, but if he were landlocked and the city would do it, he would have them build a ded- icated road there. In order to overcome the view of the railroad, they had backed the garages up to it. He could not see that Mr. Dinius could request his clients to build a road. MR. CAMPBELL stated that the Planning Commission knew the problem. Mr. Dinius does have an outlet for his property through property he has acquired on the adjoining street. It was landlocked when he pur- chased it. He has bought the property adjacent to his property so does have access. The street should be along the railroad track. There would be no objection to a road along there if the city would build and maintain it. MR. RINIUS stated that he thought this would make unruly property on both sides. As far as he knew the city has no legal way of combin- ing this with zoning laws. They should decide if it is more valuable than the property development of this part of town. MR f&4PBELL stated that he was very sincere about this project. That they had engaged an architect and that the necessary papers would be in the hands of FHA in 30 days and that FHA welcomed the project. He assured the Commission that if they could complete this project, it would be completed, subject to F'HA approval, but that first the proper- ty must have the proper zoning. MR LINDSAY stated that he would like to @on record as saying that if within a perod of 30 days his clients open a letter of feasibility, they will owe him another $20,000, MR DINIUS said that if it were possible for the Commission to write a letter of intent to change zone upon approval of the plan, he would remove his objections. He added that if the Commission approved the R-3 zone, then no one would have to come in with plans. The only re- quirement they would be held to would be the 60 ft. frontage. Chairman Jarvie stated that, as Mr. Dinius had said, this property had been before the Commission for the last 3 or 4 years. The Comnissin had denied the request for a reclassification several times. It was discussed for industrial and protested. The City has wanted something to do away with landlocked property. Mr. Dinius had something worked out from Tamarack to Chestnut and had a plan and he wanted to state here that this property was not held up for a street but because there was no plan for the 20 acres. His personal views were that they could not refuse to go through with this. He felt it would not hurt anyone else, MR. DINIUS brought out the fact that the property 'could have all cul- de-sacs end dead end roads. Comnissioner Hardwick felt thzt it was a feasible use of the land. MR. CAMPBELL stated that it was impossible for them to assure anyone that the project would go through. All they could give was their word that they intend to do it and if the FHA does not approve it they cannot go ahead with it, but felt it was suitable. Further than that it would be impossible to give a bond that it would be done. Chef;lhaan Jarvie felt that the property shililbe zoned R-3 because there is a lot of R-3 property around town that is not suitable. MR. LINDSI',Y stated that whether his clients would go for it or not, he -4- did not know, but that since Mr. Dinius had stated he was landlocked, he could also build a road into a cul-de-sac. The proposed road is a perimeter road and goes around and back out the same entrance. MR. DINIUS stated that this plan was something entirely new to him, and that on the fzce of it he would withdraw any objections even if his property could not be developed as well if the city would promise this project would go through. MR. KOYL, when asked about 4xisting buildings, stated they would be removed. That they had spent quite a bit of money already and that that was about as good intent as people could have. MR. LINDSliY stated that there was one problem about vacillating on this, that the Commission should say either yes or no because they are reach- ing capacity now on this type of FHA project. The outside number of units was 150 whereas 80 to 110 will be the maximum on this. He said it will take about 18 months to complete the project. MR. DIHIUS stated thet the Commission had put mmy hours into this and he would like to see some study done on it. He would like to see what they are getting into. MR. LINDSi’,Y stated that these were deluxe senior persons housing units, costing in exaess of $10,000 and not more than $18,000. The act under which they are being built calis for up to $12,000 to $15,000. All other cities have welcomed them with open arms. He stated thpt his stetements had been recorded and they had to be the truth. MR. Ci;EIPBELL stated that these projects are planned for people of over 62 but that the FHA allows flexibility in this. They want them where the people will have the best climate and health conditions. If they are not filled in a certain length of time, they let younger people in. The FHA requires formation of a corporation in which they own all the stock. Rents must be approved by them. Maintenance must be approved. Proper reserves must be set up for repairs etc. If the owners falter in any of these matters, stock held by EN4 is only voting stock and they can tgke over. MR. DINIUS stated that some cmercial things were mentioned such as shops . MR. LINDSAY stated that there will be no shops only habby shops etc. MR. KOYL stated that the people whose names were on the petition were, many of them, not within the 300 ft. area, but the project could be seen by them from their homes. Chairman Jarvie stated that although they had tried to get a street through for Mr. Dinius, it had not worked out and now this was some- thing feasible. The public hearing was closed at 8:50 It was moved by Commissioner Hardwick and seconded by Commissioner Davis that Resolution No. 175 recammending reclassification from Zone R-1 to R-3 be adopted for the following reasons: 1. That the granting of such reclassification will not adversely affect the comprehensive general plan. 2. That the recornendation for such change of zone will not be mat- erially detrimental to the public welfare or injurious to the property or improvements in same vicinity End zone in which the property is locad. 3, There was an overwhelming petition for such a project. 4. That it would put the land to its best and fullest use economicalls and that it will enhance the value of surrounding properties. The Chairman asked for a roll call vote: 6YES: Chairman Jaxvie, Cmissioners Davis, Kistler, Hardwick, Ward and Grant . ' NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Hughes Cmissioner Hardwick excused himself and left at 9 P.M. 6- Old Business: Commissioner Kistler had looked into the square footage per dwelling unit in the beach cities north of Carlsbad and found that in Newport Beach there were no footage requirements, in Costa Mesa the require- ment was 700 sq. ft., but they do not mean it, in San Clemente it is 800 sq. ft. Considerable discussion was held Qn whether to amend the ordinance OK not. The motion was made by Commissioner Ward and second- ed by Cmissioner Grant that the Secretary draw up a Resolution of Intention to amend Ordinance 9060, chmging the square footage per dwelling unit from 1200 sq. ft. to 850 sq. ft, AYES: Chairman Jarvie, Cmissioners Davis, Kistler, Hardwick, Ward NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Hughes. and Grant 7- New Business: There was no new business. 8- The meeting adjourned at 9:23* " . I- . c Respectfully submitted, J.d. PRICE, Secretary