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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1961-01-10; Planning Commission; MinutesMJNUTES Li? 'TiE REGULAR MEETING OF CWLSBAD CITY PLAKEINC CWISSION January 10, 1961 1- The meeting was called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chairman Jarvrz. Present besides the Chairman were Commissioners Davis, Hardwidk, Grant, Kistler and Ward, Absent,Cmissioner Hughes, 2- Approval of Minutes of December 27, 1960. It was moved by Commissioner Davis and seconded by Commissioner Hardwick that the minutes of December 27, 1960 be approved as submitted. All ayes, motion carried. 3- Wrjtten Communications: J. There were no written communications. 4- Oral Cownunipat ions: There were no oral communications. 5- STREET VACATION - Garfield Street between Beech and Cedar. (continued from meeting of December 13, 1960.) The Secretary reviewed the correspondence on this matter for the benefit of those who were not present at the previous meeting and also reviewed the -fact that the Episcopal Church was interested in vacating this portion of the .. street, ._ MR. KAY KALICKA, 13722 Malena Drive, Santa Ana, stated that it had been brought up previously as to whether the city owned the streets or just had the use of them and that he had wanted an opinion from the City Attorney. He said that the city had had the use of this property for years and that befofe he had asked for this vacation he had checked with the police qnd the city as' to whether it would be more of an asset to the city or a liability. Henry Mayers Investments owns all the property on thi! other side of the street and it makes a lot of difference to them as to whether the street is vacated or ' ,' :not in the way they plan their development. They want to develop the beach part of their property into apartments; motel, swimning pool and off-street j ., .. parking on this property. '. , . . The Secretary called the attention of the Conmissioners to Section 201 of ' Ordinance 9050 dealing with streets and highways. ,' There Vas some discussion about this being a dead street and the fact that part of the property on it was tax exempt so the addition to the tax rolls would not be too great. MR. KALICKA felt that nothing would be accomplished by merely closing the street as they were interested in what would happen in the future and he felt that the case had been before the Cmission for several months and should have been goae over by someone before now. He also feIt that the case was not being judged on its own merits, that it would not be a good idea to vacate a street just because someone asked for it, but the question was, would this be a better development and in the best interest of the city if this street were vacated? MR MAX EWALD, 2729 Carlsbad Blvd., stated that this was one of the most difficult problems of the Planning Commission. It is difficult to decide if the city should give up rights they have. The property owners have given these rights to the city. At one time the owners were not requirad to put in curbs and gutters etc. This street was put in years ago. The Retirement Home and other things have altered the planning as it was at that time, For good planning this particular street should be narrower. With a sep- aration of two zones there, a 20 ft. alley would be desirable for both zones. Commissioner Grant brought out the fact that the City Council had asked for a recmendation on this, that none of the departments objected to it, that the entire block is only 550 feet, blocked on the south by the Lutheran Home, that only the portion of the church property actually used for worship was tax exempt and that the rest would come under the tax rolls, There was more discussidn on approaching a vacation with caution and also the fact that the City Council would be holding a public hearing on the matter should the Com- mission recorranend the vacat ion and at that time anyone objecting to the va- cation could voice an opinion, Mr. Kalicka let it be known that they plan- ned to put in a 20 ft. service street there anyway. He stated that they could develop their property without the vacation of this street, that he had a lot of money tied up in Carlsbad and felt that it was up to the Planning Cmission to make a decision on this matter. A motion was made by Commissioner Hardwick that a memorandulp be sent to the City Council reconmending that Garfield Street beween Beech and Cedar should not be vacated, but the motion died for the lack of a second. .. . A motion was made by Comnissioner Grant and seconded by Comnissioner Ward that a memorandum be sent to the City Council recommending the vacation of Garfield Street between Beech and Cedar in view of the fact that there were no objections to it from the City Departments or property owners. Com- missioner Grant stated that he hade the motion with cognizance of the fact that the City Council would be holding a public hearing on the matter. Cmissioner Davis s tated that he p,hought the recommendation to the Council should state that there are many arguments both for and against this vacation and that the Commission had not had an opportunity to hear anyone who might be opposed to it. The motion failed to carry by a vote of 4 noes and 2 ayes. 6- Old Business: There was no old business. 7- New Business: The Secretary stated that he had compiled some exceppts from Robert's Rules of Order which he thought might be interesting and helpful to the Commission- ers. The Secretary was directed to have copies made of said excerpts for each of the Cmissioners. There was some discussion on the extension of Elm Avenue and the Secretary pointed out on the map where the street would go when extended. He further stated that there was no precise plan for it, it was merely in the master plan. It was suggested that the City Engineer come to the next meeting and tell the Commission something about the extension of Elm Avenue. -3- The subject of the development of Hoover Street southerly from its intersec- tion with Adam to the Agua Hedionda Lagoon in order to have public access to the lagoon was discussed at considerable length and also the fact that the people of Carlsbad had been promised a swimming area for some time and an area on the northerly shore of kgua Hedionda Lagoon would be a good place for this. MR EWALD stated that the most logical place was along the Freeway, They could have it there as long as it was fenced. There could be an extension of Yio Pic0 Drive to the beach. There would only be the expense of the contin- uation and the fence. He felt that was the most desirable beach on the 1 agooh . A motion WRS made by Chaimn farvie and seconded by Cmissioner Davis that a memorandum be sent to the City Council recommending that consideration be given to the extension of Hoover St. to the waters edge so that a swimming area could be created before the swnmer, All ayes, motion carried, MR. EWALD stated that as President of the Realty Board he would like to volunteer the assistance of the Zealty Board to the Commission as everyone is’not familiar with real estate and that the Planning Commission should gee1 free to call upon the Board for help or advice at any time. 8- Adioqmmeng: By Rroper motion the meeting was adjourned at 9:55. Respectfully submitted, 3. -2. PRICE, Secretary