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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1964-07-09; Planning Commission; Minutes*- was diiswkred by Commissioners McCarthy,: Gtant, Lamb, McComas and Sutherland. . : : AI90 present were ,City Manager Mamaux, .City Attort i ney Wilson and City Planner Melton. I I . I I l"l;l I i Commissioner Grant announced that&e was the Sec-i ; retary of the Planning Commission .due to the sud-I i den resignation of John T, Palmer he was acting : :as Chairman pro tempore. :The Chairman introduced and welcomed Dr. Roy H. i ::: i Phlmateer as a new member of the Commission. a:* * :;I' I I 18:1:1 i The Chairman asked the Commission if they wished i ::I I :i:t &#I;;; : to elect a permanent Chairman and Vice-chairman :ii::i i at this time or to wait until they have a full : : Commission, ltl:l: i A motion was made to appoint John H, Grant as Palmateer ; i !x: : i I Chairman pro Tempore until the next regular meet-Grant : : :xi ; i : ing. bamb i Chairman Grant commended the citizens for their : :::::: ; attendance at the meeting and stated that he felt: :::I:: :;I;*# i that with their participation the consultants : : would be able to understand the goals they desire!, :a:::; I::;,; He then introduced Kenneth Norwood, Project Plan-: :1a118 ::p:I : ner; and James Kuebelbeck, Economist; from Daniel; ;::i:: i Mann, Johnson and Mendenhall, and explained that I 1::;:: : the Commission had met with these gentlemen on : ;i:;:n : June 4,1964, to study the economics and character1 It;@:: :;: ; istics of the City. He also explained that this ; i was a work session between DMJM and the Planning : :::I:, : Commission and would be open for citizens later i i in the evening, i Mr. Norwood reviewed the past work they had done i I and explained that they had been working in the i i City for the past 3 months collecting research : : data from the City and other agencies in the I i County, making a tabulation and comparing it wit^ ; the present zoning for the distribution of the i land use. The area they are studying covers I 22,000 acres within the Carlsbad Municipal Water I : District. The actual City Limits is only about : : 1/4 of this area. He ex lained the expansion fo4 : rounding area, as well as future population growt& for the City. He explained these preliminary I I plans for a general plan, I I ! Mr. Kuebelbeck in discussing the economical back; i ground and land use study stated that the Small : : Craft Harbor development would vary according to i i whether they were able to have ocean access and : ; pointed out that there could be a new city area i i easterly frcmthe freeway, The city appears to i : be divided into three distinct economic groups : i which generally arenot found in a small cornmunit?. ; The largest number of high income residents live : i in the higher area east of 101 Freeway. There : : is a collection of middle income families living i i between the beach and the Santa fe Railroad, witH : the lowest income group in the city largely con- : : centrated in the area between the Freeway and thd : railroad, He explained the average ages and in- i ; Comes..of the people in the various parts of the : I City. He also discussed the amount of retail : sales in the City and reported that the retail i Ill 4:::: ::: ::: i::;:; I ;I I i;:::: :::/; ;I* I I I 1:' 8 a:, I I I l I I I 41:;: I bcCarthy ?c i !XI i I I I McComas : :x:x; ; : I putherland I i IT i i @I ; : ;x: ; I I 81 is:;; 111 lol;:; :::::: I I ::::,I * * 8 I ;: I I I the main city and that t R ey will study the sur- : I I * I .:4 . . : I I I 1 I I 1 I 4 I I I I I ! I I ;'!;a. /- I 1 ., \' . .' I I I t I I I I <,, '.,'\,, '\\ y\, I I I i Name '.,~~~~,'~,~~~ i I I ; of *,$&!;., ' 'Y++ ; I : Member ',++&.?t ,o '@b.6-$?'.o'*f <* i:::;; ::::I! I I , \ "\'\ I I 1 I s, '\ ', ', I I -2- I I 8, '\ ' . \ '.\'\\ ~~"~"""""""""""""""~"""""""""""""""""""";~""""--------------*-"-- .. I sales in 1960 were about $ 8 million, and that . I ;::a:: the percentage of local buying has dropped to 60 ::'::: i percent. The records on average building permits: 4::Il ; indicate that the City has not kept pace in com- i :::I:: I merciai and industrial construction. He did not : ;;l:ml ll;I i expect the growth in the City would be as fast a$ :::::; : between the 1950 and 1957 unless there are more : :::;I i government expenditures. San Diego County has : :;::;; 11 : been adversely affected by the loss of the air- : I::::; craft industry and failure of the other defense- i :;::;: 11 : related industries to take up the slack. These : 1::::: ; firms are attractive to any city as they have no i lal:;; ::I:;: ; odors, fumes or dust, He expected a greater I :::::', : spread of such industries throughout the United : ;:;::: : States rather them their concentration in,Southe& ;4,:11 California. There will not be eager quest of : :ii:;: ; industrial sites in Northern San Diego County and i Carlsbad would have to compete with Vista and : :::I i San Marcos which are further advanced in this fiekd. : He expected a potential increase of between 16,OqO :::::I i of 18,000 people by 1985. The present populatiod :::::: : is 11,500 or more and by 1980 or 1985 they anti- : :::::I : cipate a population of approximately 27,000 peoph. ::;:;: i If an ocean access harbor is developed the growtlj ::::;: will be faster. Mr. Kuebelbeck reported that : i::::: 1::;:; : only about half of the slips in the Oceanside : Ill i harbor are leased, largely to North County people: ::::;: I::::: : plus some from Orange County and interior areas, i ;:I 1:;: ; Only one boat, owned by a resident South of Del : Mar, is berthed there. The present ratio of I I ;::~l~ 11:;: ; pleasure boat ownership, is about 12 per 1,000 i ::e : people, and this ratio could increase. He did : not believe there would be much of an increase : t 11:: ;:::;: i in boats around here until about 1975. .. With the i 81:1#1 ;: i upgrading of the beach property, the prices will ; 1;::; :ill:: : not permit single family residences there and : :*;lo; ::;: i will up-grade the property for multiple-dwelling& ; Over much of the "near-downtown" area between th @ :; railroad tracks and t.he freeway there should be : I 1:;: :::::: a more pronounced trend to multiple housing, im- 1:;::: 111 : peded by the existence of older houses. This I I :::;:: :::::; : part of the forecast did not include the areas : i near both lagoons, where a higher type of develo&- :::;;; : rnent exists and will continue with medium to higlj ii:;;; ;1::1; density construction. I I 1::; ;-: I :.: 4 1 I I I I :.: I i East of the Freeway there will be a continued de-! i.: : I : 1 I.; 1; I* :velopment of substantial one-f amily dwellings with: I *lo:: I limited multiple construction, but the high den-.: ;:p:l 1::::: : sity trend will occur close to the lagoons here i ::;::I also. Questions asked by the Commiss.ion were: : ;I 11; 1:;::1 : What the increase in boat ownerships per capita i i:;;:: I from Southern California; what the cost to open : :;I::: : the lagoon to the sea was based on? I :1:;1; I 11 ll I 8 ::;;:t : Mr. Kuebelbeck explained that the engineers are i 1::1:! 1 working on a study of this and it would require ; ::;:I I*: : further dredging and reconstruction of the bridgds i::::: i on the highways and railroad. The type of devel-: :i:::: I/l;; : opment around the lagoon would have an affect up<n :I:;;, i the commercial development. The whole area migh3 ;:::I; ;::::; : be up-graded,but the general approach would not :::::; 11111 I be changed. I I I:;::; I I ;:p:1 1 One of the Commissioners pbinted out what a stroig ;:I:*: ; attraction our climate is and asked if the City i ;::::: : might attract plants instead of just workers. I ;ii::; i There are 18 acres in the County utilized by in- i :;I::: I I ;$4; I 1 I I :' ;:I: I I I ':I:;: 8 I I t:;::: I I I :';::: I I I I ::;:;: I I I I ::;:;: I I ;: 1::; I I !:!!, 88 t I #*I I 88 11 IlIII* ::I::: )IlI 1,::: :::;:i 18 :::;i! ; .: 4:;: 1 I 18 11 111 I I I I I I ! ?.,', 1 I 1 I I' ,. '\ '\ .'\ '8, ', '\ I I I I I 8' , 8, '8' ' ' ' P I 1 t8 8.J' I I I '\ '\ ', 8 I - 3- 8'' ', '\ '\ '\ '* I I I I I Name '+& '.$& '88";dQ8 I I : of ,o '.L \+., \,o \ '.,'t., +,+:. : I I ; Member *% 98+9 ',c+si :'Tus€ry at"tlie present"t1me. I '1 I I I ::I$@ 11 I ::!i:: t The consultants stated that they expect an indus-i ::'I:: trial growth from 3.88 to ten fold increase in : ::I::: I20 years. When it was pointed out that there is i ::ti:: )(I (III i not enough land zoned with sewers for industry, : :;:I:: :Mr. Kusbelbeck reported that other cities nearby i iiiI:I :It have been prepared for industry for several years:. 111::: I :::::: l it::;: Mr. Norwood referred to a schematic land use studk. :ii:;: :They are using the zoning map as a guide in their: :::::: i studies, and certain areas may be rezoned within ; 8 (III I;:::: : the next few years but they were not talking abous :::;:: ! the zoning as it will come later. He also explain- : 11'1 1 1::::: i ed the alternate land use study map. I ::I I1 I I * I alii!! i Mr. Norwood mentioned the historical attractions,i :;:;;: I mostly in the beach vicinity, the Twin Inns, the; i:::;; old railroad station, the '!Old Karlsbad Develop- i 4::;; ; rnentl1, and suggested that a "mall It type of de- : : velopment might be possible on Elm Avenue. The : i present studies dwelling with the probable char- i : acter of growth; zoning to accomodate it will I I i come later. Probable needs as to schools, and i : traffic patterns to avoid encroachment on neigh- : borhoods are also being studied. He felt it was i I a necessity to have through traffic so the traf- : ! fic would not have to weave through neighborhood i : streets as this would tend to decrease the pro- : perty values. He felt the City may want a rail- i ! road overpass on Elm Avenue in a few years. 1 I :He reported that they have considered expanding i the civic center to a larger parcel of land and i :to have a possible addition for cultural activi- : i ties, but have since learned of the auditorium ! planned at the new Oceanside-Carlsbad Junior I I :College. The City could benefit from acquiring i : part of the Hosp'Eucalyptus Grove and develop it : : shape, but with certain thinning out they could ! i have some beautiful trees grown. He warned that i there should be studies of the Buena Vista Lagoon: :I!:;: : remaining a water-filled lagoon after the seweragb ::;;:; !;alll i program is completed. Small commercial establishk : ments under definite development control standardb ::,:I; near single family residential areas could be I I ;::::; : between the Freeway and El Camino Real and if pro; 11:s : perly handled it would not be devaluous to the ; redidential zone, but would improve the neighbor: hood in making it selfcontained. The number of : neighborhood shopping centers should be limited I ; not to have over competition. The upper end of : i the lagoon is a pootential for district shopping i : centers, development of additional boat marinas : i There was considerable discussion on the develop-! i ment around the lagoon for rezoning and marina : : commercial development €or small boat repairs, I parking and berths for the boats. Also that there : should be beach facilities, picnic grounds and ; !'places where the public can take advantage of the: ;water environment with the possibility of a,moteli : like Newport Dunes. I :.The study includes how the City can be able to : i properly annex and give service without costing i - - - - - * - - ~"_~"""_ ~,"""""""""""~"~""""""~"-""-------------"-~---- I I I I I I II I I I I i as a park. At the present time it is in poor 1 ii::l@ ::ii;: I@ ::I/: : ;:ii:: I* ;::::i :;:I;: i;::d ::: I ::: I I ::::;I I 1:~111 :;::;: ::I::: ::: 1;11;1 4::;: 11:: and recreational parks. 1 I I 1 I 1 I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I ;:I:@: .I!!!* (i .E :mi r I I ', .-, .' . \' I I I I i ',, '\, '., ', ' ' I I , . y\. I * -4- I I I 1 I I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I I :The Commission asked if in the over all planning : i of the City if it might be a mulit-purpose City.. : i or if the City has a potential for being a speciai ; kind of city like La Jolla or Glendale, and Mr. ; ; Norwood stated the City has a lot of potential fo& unique development with lagoons on each side and i :rolling hills and the ocean which makes Carlsbad : :an attractive place to live in. La Jolla has I I : natural coastline features and rocks which make ; :it outstnading, but felt that it would not be th : tvDe of develoDment it is excetst for its moxi- : i miiy to the moke diversified pkts of San'Diego. i I I I i When questioned about the Palomar Airport being i :in the middle of the City, Mr. Norwood explained : i that where cities are planned, they could have :buffered areas to curtail residential development: : near the airport. He felt the International Air-: : port for Northern San Diego County would probably: : be nearer Highway 395 as he did not believe Palo-i !mar Airport was designed for jets. /There was considerable discussion on whether this: :city could have much industrial development, and I -1 :Mr. Kuebelbeck stated that in discussing industry: : he meant largely service industry for the community :and assured the Commission that Carlsbad will be : nothing like the City of Industry of Vernon. I I Questions asked from the audience were if the .- .: :major streets, Elm and Tamarack would be extended! to El Camino Real, and if Chestnut would go I I i through to the beach and there was discussion on : : this. I I ICrnn. Jardine asked the consultants about expandinb /the City Hall facilities for the Police Departvent, : engineering department, small auditorium for I I i Council meetings, library and possibly a jail, :and if it would be better to have the civic centeb :between the railroad and the Freeway. Mr. Norwood : stated that many cities do not want to maintain i jails and the County services would be able to : : handle this. He felt the present location is I I !better because of the City expanding to the east.: ;He could not see rebuilding the civic center at i I this time, although this might be a good motel i b I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I ; site later. I I I I i PAUL, SWIRSKY asked why the study apparently did : i not extend to the south side of the lagoon. Mr. i :Norwood replied that its use was apparently all : i set in view of its ownership by the San Diego i :Gas Electric Co. and that firm's plans for ad- : iditional power units and transmission lines. He : ; said that some attention could be givento design! I and landscaping of the plant units so they wo.irld : :not detract from the appearance of the general I i area. 1 I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I ! j on the south shore. :Mr. Swirsky asked whether it was feasible to planj :for the lagoon's development without knowing for : jcertain whether there would be an ocean access : harbor, and Mr. Norwood stated that the uses : : jcould be determined, in a general way, for either; : eventuality. I I !TONY HOWARD-JONES, president of the Carlsbad Cham; ber of Commerce, stressed the fact that recreatioQ :is our main asset and that in view of the limited: :beach area, lagoon development should receive I I ! highest priority. I I :JERRY ROMBOTIS protested the marina--type resid- i :entia1 development sugge&@bn the north and east j : sides of the upper lagoon as he did not feel this: :was the highest and best usage of the land, and : :that some portions should be more highly developed i for recreation and tourist attraction. I !DON DUNHAM asked about annexing property to the i :City and this was discussed. I :After further discussion, the next public meetong! !with representatives for DMJM was scheduled for 1 I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I iThursdai, August 6, 1964, at 7:OO P.M. : ADJOURNMENT : I I I I :By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at 10: 15 P.M. I I I :Respectfully submitted, I I I/-raa/ DOROTHY SOUSA :Recording Secretary I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I * I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I I I I I I I !