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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1964-08-06; Planning Commission; Minutes/- ~CITY OF CARLSBAD *' 8 x '8' 8 '' ' '3 :Minutes of : Planning Commission 8 8' 8 8, :Date of Meeting: August 6, 1964 (Adjourned Meet:) s !Time of Meeting: 7:30 P.M, ; Name ' :Place of Meeting: Magnolia School : of : Member ~~"~"~""""~""""~""""""""~"""""""""------"---"-~"-"---"- :ROLL CALL was answered by Commissioners Palmateeri i McCarthy, Sutherland, Lamb, McComas and Freistadtb : Commissioner Grant was absent. Also present were: City Manager Mamaux, City Engineer Rathbun, Mayor! : Neiswender, Cmn. Jardine and Cmn. Atkinson, I I 1 Chairman Sutherland introduced Byron Barnes, Di- i rector of Planning, and Ken Norwood, Project Plank ; ner of Daniel, Mann, Johnson and Mendenhall, and ,: I announced that after the progress report of the i : study on the Master Plan is given, the meeting : ! would be open for discussion. 8 MR. BARNES explained briefly the purpose of the ! :meeting, the process of general plan adoption, : general plan definitions, the difference between ! : a comprehensive general plan and a specific plan,! i the general land use plan, the transportation ; : element the circulation of the plan, long range plan andlong I range projections and short range i ! plan and short range projections. I I !Mr. Norwood reviewed briefly the first major work; the firm prepared of the land use inventory, 8 !They have made a record of what the city is today; ; as a starting point and what will occur and change i in the future. I I Streets and Hiqhways, Mr. Norwood explained the i ; major arterial of Elm Avenue being prepared by ; i the City to El Camino Real; the study being made i : of proposed roads such as the extension of Can- : I non Road which would provide access to the easterf ; ly end of the harbor, the extension of Highland : I to El Camino Real, a road through Hosp Eucalyptus! : Grove, Carlsbad Blvd. being re-routed around the ; north bluff of the outer Agua Hedionda Lagoon to I : come out at Cannon Road,with a crossing over the : i lagoon near the Santa Fe Railroad track to give i ; the harbor an ocean access. I I 8 8' 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 I I I 8 8 8 8 8 I 8 :Resort Tourist Development, with motels, hotels and shops catering to tourists were proposed a+ 7; : round the Small Craft Harbor and ocean, with t mobile homes south of the City near the freeway. i i Parks and Recreation, Mr. Norwood explained that: : it was important to maintain what Carlsbad has ; been known for in: regard to open spaces. Parks i i and schools allow about 10 acres for each, but ; ;by combining the two together this could be a- I I chieved on 15 acres. They proposed a larger park! : next to the High School with a large community : I swimming pool that could be used jointly with the! : High School and a joint agreement could be made : for these activities. He proposed two new golf : courses, one being easterly from the airport I 8 I which would prevent residential development in ; : the path of the runway of the airport, Calaverasi i Lake would be improved for sports, camping and : : picnicing, and the major electrical transmission : line right of way would be used for hiking or i bridle trails. The City could have a Police De- i partment pistol range on one of the green drain- : : age channels, Planned Unit Development, cluster i : type developments would have green areas and the : feeling of openness. They also proposed a public! :beach park in the easterly basin of the lagoon : i on the power company property. :The Commission questioned how the development of : I 4 8 I 8 I I 8 I I 8 8 8 * I I 8 8 8 I I % 8 I ! I 1 8.8. S8* I I I I I 88 8.88\8, 8\8 '8 " I I I I 8 888'88 I 88, 8*8 888 b8 8 8 I I I I 8888 888&888 'b8'' 8 : Member *$##&* ,O @**d\; 88* -2- Name 8 I b : of '899 *8888\ 1 1 """"""- -p"" ""L""""""""" "- """-""""""--i""""-""""--- ""1"" :'€%e recreatlonaT green area would be controlled ; :*;m:* and enforced and Mr. Norwood stated this could be; ii::!! : done by improvement districts which would have to! ::::;; !be approved by the residents, as a few cents per ; ;:::I' iyear would have to be added on their tax bill fori ;::;:: ;::a:: ; contribution and maintenance. I ,:*::: I 4 I :;I:;: i Buena Vista Laaoon, They have studied the water i p!;!! element and feel that although it will not be the! ;: : size it is now after the new sewer plant is in ; ::;I;; i operation, it will be a size that will be easier i ;: 1::;: : to maintain on a permanent basis and they would : :::I;; ; have various land use programs for achieving this; :; ::p; !They suggested town house developments and clusteg ;I::;: i type development and recreational areas. 1 :;*I ,I:::: 8 :::*:; Izldustrv, They proposed industrial development i ;::i:: : near the Palomar Airport and light industry near : iiii!: 4;::: # : the railroad for o en yard types of business, con! :tractor yards, bui ding materials, automobiles, : :::;I; ::;t:; i etc. t ::;:i; I I:::;; jCmn. Atkinson inquired about the possibility of i ::p;! :Palomar Airport expanding and about the commerciat ;:al;l !development along the east side of the freeway. i ;:::q ;::;:; :Nr, Norwood stated that\they did not think there : ;::::; jls a need in this area for jets but they have at-: 1::;:1 :::;:i :tempted to keep the approach clear, and feel the& :';l:l i should be an access road along the freeway to thei :!I:;: : Batiquitos Lagoon. I I ::ii:: I I I I ;::*:: :Transportation. One of the questions asked by i ;:;::: ;::':; DS i the Commission was the fact that the City was bi-i ,:;::I I sected by the freeway and the railroad and it is : ::;::: ;expected to have another freeway which will bisect :;t::: ::i::: i goodresidential areas. Mr. Norwood stated that : !;;:I: ; they would consider a long range plan for trans- i ];I::: i portation and the City will see what people call : 81;;;; :a Renaissance as they expect the railroad to lo- i jcate further inland and to have 3 main lines. He: i::;;; :i:::: :believes the railroad will increase in usage and : i:;j;; i that a fast railroad line serving the people along 18' :the coast would be quite an asset for passenger ; 1';:;: :j;::: jrail service. If there is a second freeway it : :;;::: :would probably be inland. I ::;:;: I * ::;::: jShor>pinq Centers. Upon beimg questioned by the :::::: !Commission in regard to the size of neighborhood : ;Il:*; I::::; : shopping centers, Mr. Norwood stated that they i ::i:i: normally cover 3 to 6 acres with about 1 acre per: ::;:;: : 1,000 population and generally cover 32 to 40 i :I;::: acres and could go up to 100 acres and the City : II*:;: ::::I: :could have a potential for another center about :::::; i4 miles away with a 5 to 10 minutes time limit : ;l*lla :between the shopping centers. One of the ques- i 1'::;: ;: jtions asked by the Commission was if the shopping: #ai;;: ;:/I: :centers would be competitive, and Mr. Norwood ex-: (:;::I ! plained that each shopping center will have simi-: I::!:: ;i&r functions and will be competitive, but some i :I:::! jmay have certain specialty shops that you would : :!!:!: ; not find in every center. He felt there would i :*;::: ::*:e: : be more financial and business type offices in ! ;::;:; ! the downtown area. ;;'*;I I 1 \ 1;i;:: I :'I#;; !A recess was called at 9:05. Reconvened at 9:20mi 4:::: I I I I;::;; :Harbor Development, .Mr. Barnes called on Lawrence :;j;;i ; Williams, Staff Economist of Daniel, Mann, Johnsofi ;;;l:l &:;I 1'1; I and Mendenhall, who recently worked for the State; :Division of Small Craft Harbors and he discussed ; ':;::i :::;:; I the economic feasibility for the development of i i:;I;l the harbor and reported that they anticipated a : 1:::;: :;;:;: I I::!:; I ;::!:! I ::;:;: ;:;: II 1 I e I ii:iii I I )I@1l1 I I I I I 1 I I I I I I I @I D l '8 8, '8, ', 'N .8 I I I 'b, '8 ', '8 ', '8 * ', 'b '\ t8 , * I 8' I I I I I I I * I '8 '8 '% ',, 888'\8 I ' : Member %'@,+$?'b. 8 D * I -3- / Name ''.".s-, ''8;+~ * b : of "$%8 '??&'d89',#d& '\ .* ' : * I :'d~~~-~a'f'~~"5~~-b~~~h-~-~~~-~-~-~~"~Ii~~"~~-T970 and : i2100 in 1985. He stated that the most feasible i 1::B:I !method for financing a small craft harbor here : :;*::: :would be the establishment of a small craft harboi ::!j:: !district, the lands in which do not have to be : :contiguous. Such a district could be formed in an; jelection for which a petition with 50 signatures 1 ;:::i: lll:8; :would go to the County Board of Supervisors. It : ;::;;; :may issue either general obligation bonds or revej ::;::: :nue bonds. * 1 !!:I:: :Mr. Williams stated that there would be a demand ! !:;:I: Ifor a small craft harbor by 1970 in the North :County and Carfsbad should be planning for the I 1::l;l lsl:;: iAgua Hedionda Lagoon now, because the planning, : ::;* !engineering and actual development will take abouj :ala :five years. The North County will be almost the I ;sole market for a harbor here, because one being : :developed at Dana Point will siphon off most of I :the potential patronage from Los Angeles and I I !Orange Counties. He also pointed out that if :Carlsbad does not capture this market some other i :place might, such as San Elijo. !He discussed the economic developemnt for the 3 : :basins of the lagoon and explained the possibiliti :of dredging and using the low land mud flats for i jseveral hundred boat slips on the south shore of : :the lagoon at a point where the power lines thin I :out, I% would be a cost factor to block off pri-: ivate property for boat slips coming into the watej :which have to be considered. He explained that : ithere are approximately 18 1/2 acres of water in i :the first basin; approximately 20 acres of land : :would be used for highways and parks; the middle i :basin is composed of approximately 19 acres, most4 ily under water; and the inner basin is composed o! japproximately 183 acres of water and land. :In reply to a question from the Commission, Mr. !Williams stated that the slip rentals would pro- i jduce only a small income and that the district : :would have to be supported chiefly by concessions I jsuch as repair facilities, boat brokers, yacht : :clubs, motels and restaurants. The district could :not acquire land to be leased for residential use: !Mr. Williams pointed out that Oceanside presently: :has 570 berths for boat slips which were about i !half full June 1, 1964, and he felt they were :doing well; also that Oceanside did not have room; !to expand their harbor. !The physical aspects of the harbor proposal as : :developed to date were described with the aid of : ia map by Mr. Norwood. The design showed a curved i :breakwater extending out into the ocean from the ; :northerly shore of the lagoon, extending westerly: :and then southerly; but he sta,ted that the ex- ::!::: I ;#I::: jtension of two straight groins might be the final i ::::;; ;:::4; : answer . * I !;:I:@ ' ' ,;:I: !One of the Commissioners questioned raising the i ;;,':; jrailroad bridge and Carlsbad Blvd., and Mr. Nor- : :;j:;: :wood stated that they would need a bridge high : i:: ::: ,:a::: jenough to allow sail boats to pass and this bridgi ::!;;: :would have to be reconstructed. He explained thaq *attl; jwith the rerouting of Carlsbad Blvd. to cross a- ii:::: :longside the railroad track, quite large boats !!:::; ll::i: :could be accomodated in the outer laooon; only : ::I::: !smaller ones could use the middle ana' inner la- i ::::I: I * ::;I:: I 1 I ::::;: I I I * ll::;: """ -2""""""""" "","" i:' 1: i::::: ;I:::; I8 I I I i:,:;: I::: I *I * I p4;:; :;I:!: 1 I I I I I I I I I I B I I I I I I I 8 I I * 8 * I ' I goons. I b I /:: I I ;: ! :::::: I I I 1 I I I I I I I I I I I ;"""""""""""""""""""""""" -4- I I I I I I 8 I I I 'I 8 I I ,,,""""""*""""""~" :Councilman Jardine inquired if the Engineering : !staff had given thought to the sand erosion in the! :lagoon and the hook proposed for the harbor in th4 !ocean and Mr. Norwood reported that they had been: ;gathering this information form their studies of ! jother harbors up the coast and the sand travels : :f own the coast, The hook allows for the building: !up of sand. !Allan Kelly inquired about the possibility that : :some moorage could be provided just inside of the! :breakwater. Mr. Norwood pointed out that the :ocean floor drops off sharply a short distance OU~, i so that a breakwater could not extend far, but he i :did not rule out the possibility of moorage there: !He stated that they had all of the data as to the: :ocean floor and littoral drift developed by the : :Army Engineers and other agencies but that the ) :txoblems of beach starvation have not been satis-: l I I b I I I 1 jiactorily resolved and the design of the outlet : jwould have to take that factor into consideration; I I I :Monte Yearleyof Yearley Sailboats, 4215 Harrison i !Street questioned the continuation of Pi0 Pic0 a- I :round the lagoon and the improvements of the I I I streets in area near the lagoon, as the traffic !congestion is one of the major problems with a : :60* right of way, and there is a need for im- I I I I I I provement of the streets, I I i ADJOURNMENT : I I !By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at :10:23 to Thursday, August 11, 1964, at 6:30 P.M. : jin the Council Chambers in order to schedule * I :public hearings on the Master Plan of the City. i * b I I I I !Respectfully I submitted, 1 * . 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