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r i CITY OF CARLSF"' I I '\ '\,"., '+\ ', I 1 i t1.i nutes of: Plann$ng Cmmissicn I I '\, ', '\ '\ 'L ', 8 '\, ', '., I : Date of Lleetir.ig: Novernbcr 30, 1965 * '<e, ', '& !
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I :::I,l IJ : ROLL CALL was answered by Commissioners !hum, I I :;';;: i Palmateer, i'qcConas, Lamb, Freistadt and Suther- : ::;:;:
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I I ;;;;I; i C!'lairman Sutherland announced this was the time : ;::::* : and place set for the hearing on the General Pla4 I:::;: I for the City of Carlsbad, in accordance with the : ;;#'I* ;;::I: : provisions of ,9esolution of Intention !lo. 56. I I ;I:!::
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:'@I, : The Secretary of the Planning Commission ccrtifi$d ;:::A as to proper notice having Seen given and read : ; : ; ; ; in full the idotice of Hearing on General Plan. i lll:;;
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I 1 ::@I:: i Chairman Sutherland announced t!le Planning Com- I::::: : mission and the City Staff, in compliance c.rith ; ll;lll
i the City Council , have been rJorking for atmast :;I;l* ; two years to come up with a general plan which : i will be a sui table guide line for the city to : ~:ll::
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i follow for the years to come. This is not a ron$ ;::::: ; change - it is a guide line. Any zone change * ;*:i:: i will have to go through the normal channels. Thd *'@I;:
; street changes are only a guide line snd they to4 ;#I;@; : will still have to go through normal channels, : i and are not something that will be changed a weeg after the plan is adopted by the City Council. i
It was pointed out there were some minor clerical errors in the plan that would be corrected by i
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I I ;::*;; i Chairman Sutherland expressed the appreciation G::;: I of the Planning Commission to those persons who I :;;:;I
: attended the meeting, the elected officials, ap-I ::;::: i pointed officials, the City Staff and to those ; ;ob:** 4:;;; t'
; persons who had vforked on various committees. I Their suggestions were evaluated and made a part I ;: (1#11(
of this plan. There is much work to be done yet: 4:;:: i before this plan is adopted by the City Council. ;,I ;I;:::
; \&!e are now a grown up City. b:'e have gone through ;::;I,
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I * ;#;I;:. 81 i Chai rnan Sutherland introduced [9r. Paul illeal , I I 1,;:;: : Project Planner, and Hr. Larry 3illiains, Staff i 41b;
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I I ;y:;; i ilr. Paul Neal presented the General Plan by way 1;::;;
::;a;: I of charts and a map showing generalized land usei : He stated the State Conservation, Planning and i t;;:;: ::;:;: i Zoning Act directs each Planning Commission to ; :::;;; : prepare a plan which shall be Comprehensive, I :@I I 1'::;: i Long-range and General. The General Plan has a i :i:::: ; twofold purpose: (1) to prescribe solutions to i I:::;:
the City's present problem and (2) to guide its: :;I:;: ::;::: : future growth along the mcst desirable lines. I I i:;I:: 'tl;l:
ilr. iJeal pointed out a General Plan is never I I:::;I I perfect, complete, or final, but is long-range, i ::;:;: : comprehensive and general, and shotdlcl always be : ;ll11;
I:;::, i so considered. :iew conditincs, new technological i:;::: : advances and ticw developmznts will require modi-: 1:l:': I It:;!;
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: Chairman Sutherland stated the prime purpose of i : this meeting is to have the public voice their I : suggestions pertaining to the General Plan, and 1 asked those who wished to speak to please identif$ themselves before speaking. I
I i4R. bdILLIAi4 ROUWSFULL, asked if the purpose of i : the plan was to promote the area as a resort are??
: ;4r. fieal stated the plan was not to promote but i ! to capital ire on the resort area the City now hag.
i Mr. Larry !,!ill iams stated the purpose was not to I i promote but show ?!hat could happen. The resort ; ; area is certainly a significant factor. Com- / merce and service is the heart of the growth : potential. If a small craft harbor is developed I i they have anticipated $3,750,000 in annual retail:
t sales, and an additional $150,000,000 in added investment for the City in the next 20 years.
i JR. DONALD BRIGGS, JR., stated a great many per-
: will affect them personally. A road, 84' in i width has been proposed through the highlands. 1 : Hearings were previously held as to the extensio4 i of Tamarack Avenue through the highlands, and ; : people who ownea land through this area voiced I opposition to a street being put through the * I : hi gill ands .
i Chairman Sutherland informed Xr. ariggs this is i i the Consultants recommendation, however, before : ; a street is put through it would have to go t I ::;;I: 11 i through the normal channels. I
ilr. LJriggs stated he would like to ask another i
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sons in the City are concerned as to how this plqn
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: question. Did DilJil, the Planning Commission, : Toby Thornton or Ar. Iieal's predecessor design : ;;I 1:::: this street? I
i4r. Neal informed i4r. Briggs 13PlJE.I is suggesting ~1:~l; :::i:: : that an 84' right of way be put through this are?. i At any time a street is put through a hearing : :;; ** :;:
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1 i Nr. Sutherland stated he did not want to get * * : into engineering design at this time. D:Mi did i work closely :rith the Engineering Department for : i this plan. * I
i I4R. CARMICHAEL asked why point ''A" (the intersec-i
t tion of Tamarack and Freeway 101) was designated i if this is just a General Plan. I *
i 14r. ;;ea1 stated they have tied this road in with i the freeway interchange, * I
i Chairrnan Sutherland stated DHJil feels there is i : going to have to be a collector road in this particular area. Before a specific road is ap- i : proved it rti11 take considerable more enginsering! and planning. * *
MR. GERALD idCCLELLAkl stated once a ilaster Plan i is adopted it becomes a bible. A person could be!
t refused a building permit if he chose to build : i along a proposed street route. * *
: Ar. Flea1 informed Mr. PIcClellan his point was !!fell taken, however, they are suggesting this
t the topography in that area. He has never seen : a :laster Plan used as a bible. * *
jilR. JACK KlleOTA stated he v!ould like clarificatfob :as to this plan not being a bible. lie just went : I through a hearing on a zone change, and was denielf : by the Planning Commission on the basis the zone I I change requested was not indicated in the General : :Plan. !le would like clarification as to how this! !General Plan will be used. * *
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I * * * :Chairman Sutherland informed Jr. Kubota this plan: inill be used as a guide. Are you suggesting that! : the City does not need a guide?
:;!lr. Kubota further inquired as to why the power I !plant was not shown in an industrial zone? * *
i 11r. ileal pointed out on the map the pobjer plant i jand Carlsbad Aunicipal \dater District are shown i :as a public utility area. This matter was given : jconsiderable study by the Commission and DrUi4, * : and i t was their feeling these areas should be jshown as public utility. * I
jI4R. JOHN PRE!dITT as ked if it was the intention :of the Planning Commission to conform to low I I idensfty, high density, etc., rather than R-1, R-3; :ctc.
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* Ar. Neal informed rlr. Prewi tt this map is a guide I and the zoning ordinance will spell out the I 8 correct zoning. I * * * * jilr. Prewitt further stated their plan shows more i :uses than the present zoning map of the City. * I * * I 1
iblr. ideal stated there will be some chan'ges in Ithe zoning ordinance in order tc ap-date the
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i Someone in the audience asked Ar. >Seal how his i : firm felt about R-3 zoning around schools?
i Mr. !deal stated they did not like to suggest R-3 I : zoning around schools where there are small I I i children attending due to the traffic problems. i
i dR. PAUL SGIRKSY stated there have been indica- : i tions there are some mistakes in the General Plai. : \Jill there be some map or some designation of
I these streets, i .e. lCel ly Drive?
I IIr. iieal informed Fir. Swi rsky the street names I : are in the text of the report. I I
::ir. Swirsky further stated the plan indicates th6 i property owned by the San Diego Gas b Electric i : Company east of the freeway as public utility : i zoning. The present agricultural zoning for the pover company was better than a proposed utility : i zoning because now in order to bui Id the power I I company has to request approval from the City. :
i idr. Ileal informed IBr. Swirsky one way to handle : : this problem would be to spell out in the ordi- i nance the uses under public utility zoning.
i Mr. Swirsky further inquired as to h0s.J Di4Ji4 could ; possibly exclude use of the Agua Hedionda Lagoon ; i and the power company's holdings along more than i : half the lagoon shore line from the Plan? Also ; ! how could they propose this as utility zoning i i when the Harbor Report is not finished? I I
i :Ire Real stated this was simply due to the fact I I San Diego Gas & Electric Co. owns 95% of the I i property around the lagoon, and the only way the{e : can be a harbor is with the concurrence of the : ; power company.
i Mr. Swirsky asked Pfr. Ileal if he was saying that t a harbor is feasible? I I
;3r. Meal stated they are saying a harbor is eco- ! : notnically feasible. I
! MR. PAT ZAHLER stated it is their understanding i I this plan is proposing that the civic center be i : located along the south side of Elm Avenue east 8 i of the Freerray. The residents in this area would : like to know how much of this block will be used?!
: Mr. Neal stated they have suggested that the
entire block bounded by Pi0 Pic0 Dr., Elm Avenue,i : Elmwood Avenue and Laguna Drive be used for the : Civic Center. He then read from the General Plan: i that the area includes both sides of Laguna I I : Drive and that the proposal include closing Elm- I i wood Avenue with a cul-de-sac midway between I 1 ; Knowles Avenue and Elm Avenue, and closing and i i vacating Laguna Drive,
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I I I I :i;::: i FIR. SCAidLO1:J questioned the location proposed fori #Ill ::I::; : the Civic Center. He felt the proposed location: :I:::: i should be more centrally located. It is antici- i :I;::: : pated there will be an eight-lane Freerray and : ;i;i::
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: Civic Center was given a great deal of study. I I ;I:;:; I::& 'I I They could not find a site more conveniently I ;I$;:@ ; located for all the citizenry. They did not I I ;::::I 8: i Peel the Civic Center belonged in the downtown I 4:::;
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: MR. CLAUD HELTON stated at the present time we I :!*;;: :::I:; i have businesses east of the Freeway at Tamarack 1:1111 I;:$; : Avenue and Elm Avenue, however, they are not I :@/:I
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i4r. Neal informed Mr. Scanlon the site for the i
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8r. Neal stated Freeway service facilities are i ::;::I i not spelled out on the map. They have suggested: iiii:' : that no additional commercial facilities be I I ::;::: i allowed other than those in the neighborhood I : commercial centers indicated on the map east of
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I :il:;: i ilr. Neal stated these reports were given to the ! ;;::I; : City Council and members of the Planning Commis- I :;::i: I sion. A11 the reports were good and three meet- :ii;ii : ings were held by the Planning Commission to 88:
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I iIi!:1 *I i NR. BERT ALTON stated he had conducted a careful l*ktl:
: polling of a group of people who wish to have a : ::;I:, :;;:;I zone change, which would be indicated on the ;llll*
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I I I ::;:,, : Mr. Alton presented a petition to the Chairman I i:: I containing 18 signatures. I l;~lll I I :;::i:
I I ,I::;: Chairman Sutherland informed Nr. Alton if there ;:@I
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: MR. DON BRIGGS stated he objected to the state- i lla:ll ;::;:; i ment by the Planner that the citizenry dictates I ;:I 81 /di;: : where the Civic Center should go. There \!ill be: ;;Ill1 i an €"ne Freeway with a major street from the I I::: ;:;::: : Ocean to Vista at this intersection, and there : ,I::;:
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?IR. BILL RAZLINS inquired as to what was done wiih
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: lie has stated this repeatedly to the Engineering i :;I:@: ;;:::I i Department, and he would like this to be made a I :::::: ::;: : part of the record at this time. I 3 ii;:tl
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industrial toning along the main thoroughfare i It;;:: ::::ri I south of the lagoon. This does not give a good : :::;:I : impression from the Freeway. We should have I ;!Ill' : something more attractive from the Freeway. I I ;I:$: 11;18
I 1 1 I :il:;: I Chairman Sutherland stated this was explained in ; :4:::
: Ylr. Fieal's report. This is for light industry. i Do you think a plant like Hughes Aircraft would i : be objectionable? I I
; i4r. Rounsfull stated he did, i,ir. Rounsfull fur- i ther stated we have residential all along the I : railroad tracks at the present time. I I
The Chairman informed i4r. Roungsfull that Mr. FJeail
; pointed out the reason for this was it is not I good planning to have a high density residential : : area next to the railroad tracks. The suggested i light industry between the Freeway and the rail-
I road tracks and then have planting along this I I i area, which uould act as a buffer.
i MRS. CIPALLERA stated they drove 80 miles to I : attend this meeting, and she would appreciate if I
the speakers would use the microphone at all I I : times.
: A snort recess was called by the Chairnan at ; 9:30 P.M. The meeting reconvened at 9:40 P.1-I.
I '1I:l~ i PiR. ALTON addressed the Chairman and stated per- i ::I&::
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:I::;: : before, The property owners along Adams Street, : :::::i from approximately Hoover Street, feel this area i ;::!:I : should be shown as a higher density area on the ; :lIla;
1:;1:* i general plan map, and this was why they were petik i:;:;: tioning the Planning Commission to consider this : @I; i::::; i area as a higher density area. 8 ;@I 111
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1 * ' ;: I:;; i :.IR. BILL RAWLINS stated he has a copy of the I I 1;::i:
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: felt the commercial area downtown should be en- i ::::;: i couraged and revised and a new commercial area : ::;::: : should not be developed. Commercial areas along i ::;I $1;
the freeway are not considered the best use of i :I:!;:
I the land. liest Covina is a prim exam;lle. The ; 1: commercial area along the freeway in that area I ::::a: i is not the prime commercial area. That city 14;l:l
1 :::::: : still has its main commercial area in the down- i :":;: i town area. ;::ll@ * I 8:::::
I I ;11;a; / IlR. RALPU WALTON asked what happened to our othei 4:;;; i;::;: : i3aster Pl an? I I :::I::
I I 1 ::;::: : ilr. Ueal stated the Nhitnall plan was not a com- i ::::11 i plete plan. It was used as a reference plan. I 1 :;*l': ;I:':*
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Chairman Sutherland stated plan when adopted wil: lla:;: ;:;i:: : probably have to be redone in ten years, and it ; ;::I I: is his hope that it will be reviewed each year. i /I:::
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I. I I :I::;: : AR. 1JALTON inquired as to whether there is any i ::::;;
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: nut Avenue? This would give access to the down- i :::I:: ::i::: i town area. I :' 1::
I I I I :i' :::: I ilr. Neal informed i,lr. ?.Jalton they do not recom- : ::p** :I a: : oend a major arterial near an elenentary school, i 1:;;:; i This matter was given a great deal of study, and: :::
: it was their thinking they could not force the I :;I;:: I::::: i Division of tjigh:.jays to construct another cross- i :;:+
; ing at Chestnut Avenue. This would encourage ; 4:: ::!;;: i 1rIore traffic around the school. 1 ii::;:
I I :-::: ! DR. HAEVEY TUOilI stated the Business and Profes-: ;x:;:
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: Dr. Tuomi stated he would like to amplify this i i statement. They are moving their offices away : I from Elm Avenue due to. the high speed and densitd : of Elnl Avenue. I I
! i4R. PAT ZAHLER stated he felt the Freeway was prime comercia1 area. To put residential along: t the Freeway was poor planning, and no doubt this i i is why you see slum areas along the freeways.
I Chairman Sutherland asked Planning Director : Schoell to review some of the thoughts pertain- i
i blr. Schoell, the City Planner, stated we have had : a thorough economic study made. If we took all : I the freeway area and made it commercial it would i i be more than the City could use. This goes back :
I as to the qual i ty of town we want, and tllis is i ! why we need a Aaster Plan to determine how much : : commercial, residential, etc., is needed. Plr. I Schoell pointed out that two of the greatest : natural assets that can nlakc this town unique I are the lagoons. This is the only town up and i down the coast that you cross over two lagoons ; driving along the freeway. 'de are in hopes of i : having one of the finest parks by developing the: I Buena Vista Lagoon into a water-oriented open i I space area. If at the same time we can develop : : a harbor in Agua Hedionda Lagoon imagine the I nunber of people that will stop in this area. : The Civic Center located in a park like setting i midway between the two lagoons along the freeway i
I will provide the cultural and civic heart of I Carlsbad where people can see it and use it. Th$ : freeway as the connecting avenue between our two : i lagoons cBn be made in a beautiful, tree lined i highway though the joint landscaping effort of : : the State and the City. We are trying to pre- : i serve the qualities and values now known in Carl& : bad while preparing to double and triple our * i population. Within three years there will not i
I be any billboards, and then we can qualify for i a landscaped freeway. The City along with the : : State can plant along the freeway, which will i become a buffer from noise and dirt and a visual : : asset to Carlsbad. Through the economic study i made by DdJil, the red area on the map indicates : : the amount of commercial area needed within the i next 20 years. It has been distributed to meet : the economic and physical needs of the community.:
i i4R. PAT ZAHLER stated he has seen this town : damaged. He do need a buffer area, however, he i disagrees with the Planner. Ye need a park-like : : area along the Freeway. He disagrees that there i i should be residential along the Freeway. This : : planting cannot be done just on the Freeway rfghq-
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I Yr. Leftwich stated he did not have a suggestion i i at this time but would submit one at a later date:.
i CIR. DONALD BRIGGS suggested the Civic Center be : located in the vicinity of Elm Ave., Harding and : ::;I:: i Roosevelt Streets. This would fit in with the : I:;::: i extension of Chestnut Avenue through to the beach! ; area, and would give access to this area from the! 1:;::: I highlands. i)llJ;4 pointed out that it is not good : :::@:: I::::, : planning to have a major arterial next to a I school. You have designed the sawe collector i : major arterial to go by a new Junior High School : :::;ii i by the extension of Tamarack Avenue. You are not; : consistent in your planning. The elementary 1 I ::I::: i school fr two other streets. Also the ex-! :I:::: : tension o ck Avenue through the highlands : lls;l;
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I iiR. ZUETELL stated he has just moved to Carlsbad.; l;@lll i The area he came from spread very fast, and due i : to poor planning it cost the taxpayers millions : iii:;: i of dol 1 ars.
1 I ;l*;l* iidR. DUCY stated he does not object to the pro- : posed location of the Civic Center, however, he I ;::;:: :@&I*# i felt the location as suggested Sy Mr. Briggs I I l:@lll $1:; i should be given consideration.
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