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Home My WebLink About1967-09-01; Planning Commission; MinutesCITY OF' CARLSBAD I \. , , .\ '. ', '\ ', * I I' I I I I b b' b 8' PLANNING COMMISSION 1.Saecial ~Mtg.)~~,~~.,~8.~~'~~~~, ; Minutes of: i Date of Meetin: September 1, 1967 i N a me **, '%?$ k.' ',2 :Time of Meeting. 3:00 P. M. ; of '5 \CY' ' ,-p, I i Place of Meeting: Council Chamb.e,rs +&.+,,:,?.,, : : Member *,Q ,o..p++,o'.* , - -i -4 i ROLL CALL was answered by Commissioners Sm.ith, . i iiii:: : Palmateer, Su,therland, Jose and Voorheis. .I I ;;"I' 8:;4&: I Commissioners McComas and Little were absent. 'I 1 :;f;*a ((11 : Also present were Planning Director Schoell , and : aIII ::II:: ~l:;ll ,h ~"~"""""~~""""""."""".""""""""~".""""".""""~~""""~""""""" f Park & Recreation Commissioners Mrs. Betty Wollri<h, IO :Mrs. Mary Scherr and Mr. Don Johnson. 4 ::::;; I I I 1 i;;;:: I Chairman Sutherland announced that this meeting iiiiii :was called in order to discuss the proposed San : :;:::a It Diego .County Preliminary Regional General Plan, : i and introduced Mr. Robert G. Kelsay, Chief Plannet ;in charge of the project, and Mr. John W. Johnsoni' i of the San Diego County Planning Department. I I :MR. ROBERT G. KELSAY explained that Mr. Dan Cherrier was on,vacation and could not be present; ::I::: : at this meeting. He gave a brief summary of the ; 1I;:lI :; i proposed preliminary plan, which is projected to : :;;; :::;,I : 1990 and incorporated the General Plans of the i :l~l;: :x:;; t I I I :: 1:;; i Chairman -S'utherland called attention to the fact 1:;::: : that the County granted some zone changes South i ::;::: ::;:;: I of Palomar Airport that were completely opposite : ::::;I 111 : from the General Plan of the City of Carlsbad, I :I and asked that some mechanism for cooperation be: I;!:;! ::;I 11) 8 :.established. He requested that the County cooper; :;:::' i ate with -the City and discuss any zone changes, : el;:;l i: :; : variances, conditional use permits with the Plan-! :: I:( ;:I: i ning Commission before the County Board of Super-: ;I::;; ; visors hold hearings on them, not only on proper-: I ,. :::::; i ties adjacent to the City, but on properties in ; ::i:;; 18 1:4;: : the area near Carlsbad. He stated there was no I :':::; l:lstI i sense in paying $45,000.00 for a Master Plan and ; :::::: : then having the County zone properties in the are4 :;::;; -i different than the plan that was adopted, without: :;::;: : consideration of the City. I I ;I, I@ Mr. Kelsay pointed out that the County did not i 1:;:;: ;ll;f: l;*l;# I ;b:If* I I. I f I I cities in the County. 1 I .. ;::I :4:;; I I I I I ;::::; I have a General Plan in the past. Although the ; : proposed General Plan is very general, it will I ::;;:i i give the County a guide line. He stated that he i : would write a memorandum to Mr. Dan Cherrier I 1;:;:; i regarding these matters. I . .. . .. I::l:: I I 1 .. ;:;:;: ; The Planning Director reported working with Mr. I i::;;1 1111: i John Cassidy of the San Diego County Planning I I ,;*:;: i Department, amd he appreciated his cooperation on: :I:!;: ::I 88 : freeway uses and signs. I 4:;:;: I I 1 :a;:;: I ::;:;:. ! Mr. Kelsay stated that he would. be happy if the i ,:,I i cities would annex more property as the County i i:: ::i : has no business in City Planning. The County has: :i:::; i to be concerned with County-wide sewers, flood ;:;I*$ $8::: ; control, roads and water. He remarked that the ; i County is changing rapidly, but not incorporating! 4:;;: ; rapidly. The Planning Department is working with: :@;Ill ::;:;: i the Local Agency Formation Commission to work out! ;: 1;::;; I(* ; some proposed boundaries. I 1;;::: I' I I 6 * I I 1 I I 6 I::;:: ;:;1:1 I I I::;:: I I ;; I I :;:::: 8 I I I i;:::: I I ,e:;:: l I :i::i: I :;:;;: I I ::i::: I I ::;:;: I :41:;: I f ::I:;: ~~~ I:!::: .. I ;*l:l@ I f I 6 I I 8 I I I I 4 I 1 f * 6 I I 4 I I IO 1 I In discussing the preliminary plan, the Chairman : ; suggested that the blue for industrial develop- I ment be placed around Palomar Airport, and that : : the blue be moved and placed between the freeway : and railroad in accordance with Carlsbad's Genera! ; Plan. I MR. KELSAY stated there was an error in the map I t as it should be blue between the freeway and rail+ road. A new map with the corrections made on it i i will be prepared before it is presented for the : ; public hear-ing. i In discussing the agricultural areas Mr. Kelsay I I 4 4 1 I I I I I pointed out that when subdivisions are constructe# in agricultural areas, the taxes increase on the i : agricultural land also. Some consideration may ; i be given for legislation to relieve the farmer so! : his taxes would not be increased when a subdivi- ; i sion goes in. He stated that it costs a lot to :. bring sewer lines out to the subdivision. It doe$ not cost-the subdivider to bring the lines to the: : subdivision but it does cost the public to bring i the lines there. I i The Planning Director inquired about the methods : ; the County may use to keep developrhent out of the! area east- and west of Palomar Airport which the : : County shows as green land on their plan. : MR. KELSAY stated the people would have to be i i kept out of that area if possible and the County : : would do their best to keep it open. The City of! i San Diego has an ordinance on Height Limits around : airports, but the County does not have one. It i I might be advisable to recommend an ordinance to i : make it impossible to build more than a one-story! i building in the airport approach. People should ; ; be made aware of the plans to enlarge the airport: I so they will not build in that area. I I MR. KELSAY stated he felt the North. County was i : doing well in the number of parks shown on the I i park plan. There is no real regional park in the: ; north part of the County at present. He believed! i Guajome, with its rolling hills, should be made ; : into a park more like Balboa Park. I { When questioned regarding the priority system of I i the parks, Mr. Kelsay stated that because of the ; ; public ownership, he believed they can make lease$ i on 34 of the parks. They are not considering the! ; purchase of any of the parks. This does not mean: : that each of these parks will be owned by the I I County, as some will be City or school owned park$. : The Committee felt this was a political decision.: i He stated that Buena Vista Lagoon holds a priorit! : spot in the County Plan as a park and wild life ; I sanctuary and is expected to receive a share of ; : the County's $4.8 million in State park bond monejl i and federal grants which is received on a per i ; capita basis, if the regional plan is approved. ; i He felt that the acquisition of this property fori i a state park has been more difficult b-ec-duse the ; ; Cities of Carlsbad and Oceanside are going it-alote : without the help of the County. He felt all of ; r I I I I I I I I I I * I 1 r I 1 I I I I 8 I * 8 ? 8 I I I I I I I 8 I I I I 1 ! i the jurisdictions were needed to present a unitedi : front on this matter. The difference between the! i State and County's acreage for the Buena Vista ; ; Lagoon as a State Park was that the County is i including part of the Hosp Grove for the park. 1 I * * I He felt the Buena Vista Lagoon should be a state park and recommended that the Cities keep working! The P'lanning Commission agreed with the plan that: Buena Vista Lagoon should all be under public 4 ; on this matter. I I * 8 8 i ownership. 1 I I 1 I I 8 I I I I I I 1 I I t I I I I 1 I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I F I I MR. KELSAY reported that the County had their lask meeting that morning and are sending a letter to the San Diego County Transportation T.echnica1 I I Committee, endorsing the Agua Hedionda Lagoon as i a State park. There are private plans for develop- ment of the Agua Hedionda Lagoon and Batiquitos ! Lagoons for boat harbors. He believed the Bati- ;\ quitos could be combined for park and boat harbor! and still have enough left for private ownership.: If they can get public access to the lagoon, they! can get the Army Corps of Engineers to do the I I channelizing which is done by the government. The major dredging would not be done by a private: firm. Mr. Kelsay believed, however, that Batiquik tos would be on the bottom of the priority list. ; 8 * I I I The Chairman questioned Mr. Kelsay regarding the i : development of the Agua Hedionda Lagoon, as the i North shore is in private ownerships, and the : South Shore belongs to the San Diego Gas and i Electric Co., who he did not believe would sell i ! the property as they need the water and would i i need the land for future development. i MR. KELSAY reported meeting with San D-iego Gas i : and Electric Company officials the week before i I and they indicated they are in favor of a long ; I I I I I I 1 rc : range lease agreement for development of a park : for tax purposes. This would be with the full : knowledge that if the SDG&E needed the land that : i the lease could be canceled. He stated he felt iIt : would be better for the State to work with the : i SDG&E on this matter. He stated that the Agua : : Hedionda Lagoon is proposed as a state park projekt : the park bond funds rather than from the County'q i $2.4 million allocation. There are three funds ; ; for development of parks. I i The Chairman questioned Mr. Kelsay regarding the! i proposed annexations and school-parks, and Mr. I : Kelsay stated that school-parks were not the I i function of the County Planning Department. i When questioned regarding the access to Calavera4 ; Lake, Mr. Kelsay stated it would be on a priorit$ : basis when the plan is adopted. It is a compre- i I hensive plan and the property is not in public ovjn : ship. They would have to get a road declared a i public right of way. I .I : whi.ch would be financed from the State's share 06 I I 1 I I 1 I I 8 I I I I I I I 8 1 1 I * I I I I I I I I I 0 I I I I I I I I I 1 I I e I * ~~ I " ,f- I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I I I h I -4- :"""""""""""~.."..-"""""""""""""""""""-"""" I MR. KELSAY stated the County is working toward i : the adoption of the plan in December, and if the : Planning Commission approve of the plan, they I I : could pass a resolution, if they wish. The Plan-: : flexible and subject to change. .I ning Commission was assured that the plan was $ I & I + I I I i After further consideration a motion was made to I recommend to the City Council that the San Diego : County Preliminary Regional General Plan be approied :i; i and endorsed as follows: I Ill :;: I ::;::: : The Planning Commission has reviewed the General !Smith i : ;xi Ill ; : Plan as presented by the County. The Commission :Palmateer !x: :x: It : ; "il ; has made two specific suggestions for change whicbSuthbrland: i :xi ; : the County has agreed to make. : Jose : :x ;x: : I I (a) That the area between the freeway and rail- IVoorheis : II ; !x! ; 8; : area east of the freeway be deleted. 1 ::::I; 11;: I (b) That the area around the Palomar Airport be i ::;;:: ! designated blue. 11 ::':I: i After these changes are approved, the plan as I I ::::;; ; submitted to the Planning Commission is heartily :::;,I II(I : endorsed. t ::;I:: :;1:8@ :::::: I I :::::: : road, north and south of Palomar Airport Road be : ;;:;:I 81 I I: I I 1 I I::::, :::;:i colored blue industrial on the map and the blue i 1 I I I I I I I I I I* : I ADJOURNMENT: " I I ::!I:: : By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at !4:35 P. M. to 2:OO P. M. for the purpose of atten!- : ing the public hearing on the widening of El Camino :!;::: i Real to be held by the County of San Diego Board !Smith ;lo;l~ ; of Supervisors in the Carlsbad City Council :Palmateer : ; ixi : : i Chambers. Sutherland: : :x: ! ;: I I 1 I :ii:i: :I;::: xi :x; : i I I- ,. I Respectfully submitted, I i DOROTHY f. OSBURN I Recording Secretary I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I I I I I 3. : I I I 1 I ! I I I I i!li!i T