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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1970-06-09; Planning Commission; Minutes-, *. CITY OF CARLSBAD COMMl SSIONERS MEETING OF: CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMtSSPON DATE OF MEETING: JUNE 9, 1970 TIME OF MEETING: 7:30 P.M. PLACE: C fTY COUNC fL CHAMBERS ROLL CALL: City staff representatfves present: R. A. Johnston, E. Pyesent x 3. Olinghouse, J. E. Spano, R. S.. Osburn. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The minutes of the regular meeting of May 26, 1970 were Motion X approved by voice vote, as corrected. Ayes X xxxxx Commissioner Hermsen was present at 7:46 P.M. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS: (a) Chairman Jose read from a California Roadside Council document (San Francisco) dated 5/22/70, regarding bi 11- boards, in which a executive of the oil E gas industry moved for his company's products not to be advertized in scenic or rural areas at all, but are probably not harmful in established CO~merCial -and industrial areas. In view of this City's recent sign and billboard efforts this article was briefly discussed and consider- ed a good approach to the problem of billboards in thls State. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: Absent X Absent X None. PUBLIC HEARINGS: (a) CONTINUED - CONDlTtONAL USE PERMI'T - To allow con- struction of a Luthern Church, Church School.and Parsonage, located at SE Corner of Elm Avenue and Valley Street; Applicant: Henry Meyers Investments,. fnc. Mr. Johnston read the Staff Report of June 3, 1970 in ful 1, presenting background information, staff recomien- dations to approve this application, reasons for same, and conditions of approval (Items 1 thru 15). He also referred to Exhibit "All displayed on the wall, depictinlj the general area, building layout, parking area.and acctss and exit for this development. The City's proposed ex- tension for Elm Avenue was also shown on this plot, as it ties into this development site. The secretary read correspondence from Kamar Constructfon Company, dated 5/12/70, who are owners and developers in thls area alsc. They state this development is a logical and good plan and would be of valuable service to the area, because of the Elm Avenue extension and the unusual shape of th .piece of property. s MR. TONY HOWARD-JONES, President of Henry Meyers Investments, Inc, 3985 Park Drive, stated they were the owners of this property, but all other phases of its development for this use would be handled by the Lutherrl Church. He briefed the history and reason for the unusuil configuration of this property and stated it did not lerd itself to standard subdivision development, but it woulc be suitable for the church, school and parsonage as 1 anned. -. .. . -. b. I .!. .... i f CITY OF CARLSBAD -2- - ~ ~~ The Chairman questioned the six-foot wall being only on the South side of the property and whether the1 were any plans for future fences on the East or-West boundaries. Mr. Johnston explain'ed the South wall was to shield adjacent prdperty from auto light glare, but the topography on the East and West sides did not appei to warrant this consideration and fencing was not plan1 The extension of Canyon Drive in the future was dis- cussed and Mr. Johnston pointed out the very hilly arei to be considered insuch extension would pose problems. Also, the Cha.irman questioned if there would ever be a traffic light at the intersection of Elm Ave & Valley, and Mr. Johnston referred to Condition #15 of the Staf. Report regarding dedication to the City of access righ, on Elm Avenue, which would ultimately close off this access/exit location from the parking lot. The safety factor was discussed, with the present and future conditions on Elm Avenue in mind, and Mr. Johnston pointed out there was no other exit location available and this was some 200 ft. from the intersec- tion in question. These questions being clarified, thc Chairman asked for those in the audience who wished to speak. REV. HIND, San Diego representative of the Wisconsin Evangelical Luthern Church Synold, was present and had quest ions regarding Condition #l5 of subjec staff report (i.e., future access rights on Elm Avenue This would require a new access/exit location be const ted by the Church at the completion of Elm Avenue extel ion, and Rev. Hind felt this was a difficult condition to impose on a developer who owned some 750 ft. of fro1 age property. Mr. Johnston explatned that the General Plan proposed Elm Avenue as a maJor, arterial highway from Pi0 Pic0 to El Camino Real, and the future traffil safety problems there necessitated this condition, due to the drop off of the land to the East. Rev. Hind alsc felt this presented an impossible situation for the Church architect, where no access/exit was allowed on such a lengthy property line, and just off the parking lot. Mr. Johnston advised no other developer in this area, i.e., Falcon Hills subdivision, Hosp Grove plannc community, etc. (from Valley Street east), had been given Elm Avenue access, in order to keep access limitc to intersections only for the extension. It was also felt this development, with only a 40-car parking'lot, could be well planned without such access either. Be- cause of the rolling land in this extension area, it was felt certain "blind spots" could exist, which with additional Elm Avenue accesses, would enhance a traffic safety problem. Rev. Hind was questioned by the Commission what, if any, future expansion of the school and parking lot might be planned, and he stated except for perhaps 2 more classrooms, there was no expansion planned. He felt the Valley Street access, required after Elm Aven~ was closed to them, posed a difficulty for parsonage and parking lot use, particularly on Sunday mornings. He added there were no other problem conditions in the staff report, and these were considered standard develc COMMISSIONERS t . ... . 'r ' .- CI TV OF CARLSBAD -3- ment conditions. Mr. Spano stated it had become the policy of the City and City Engineering Department to limit access o Elm Avenue, all the way to El Camino Real, for the rea \ h Condition #15, requiring dedication of'access rights a that location. The proper motion was then made to ap- prove Resolution No. 663, granting this application Po the following reasons, and subject to all Conditions o pproval (Nos. 1 thru 15) set forth in Staff Report of already given, particularly as regards potential traffi' problems in this area. Questions arose as to extensic of Elm through gas tax funds and Mr. Spano stated the extension, either thru this means or with property owne participation, was not yet clear and that such determir tion was a matter of Council action. It is not budgete under gas tax' funds this year as there are no such func available. Mr. Spano spoke on Condition #14 regarding storm drainage by improvement district, which he said would be shared by property owners from Buena Vista to approximately Oak Avenue. Further, there is no sewer in this area a5 yet, with septic tanks all along Valle Street. Mr. Spano explained the problems of sewing an said one possibility was establishing a pump station or installing an easterly flowin'g sewer with the construc- tion of Elm Avenue extension. This again, is dependent on the future development in the area. Mr. Spano hoped the Commission would consider the effect of changing access dedication off Elm for this development (Item #1 at this time, regarding future development near thls street and the traffic situation that would develop. MR. GEORGE D. REBAR, 448 Canyon Drive, referred to Condition #15 and the possibility of future need by the fire or police department to get into this property an having to come in by way of Valley Street. It was poin out that residents on cul-de-sac streets have a like situation. MR. MAX EWALD, 2729 Carlsbad Boulevard, discussed t future extension of Elm Avenue, which he recalled had been improved 4 times, by some 4 different Ctty Council since its acceptance in 1956, along with Tamarack Avenu He felt the precident had been set and the City must no wait for the necessary action to complete Elm through t El Camino Real, which action will be decided by the Cit Council as previously. MR. HARRY TRUAX, 4125 Harbor Drive, commented he kn of now written, or otherwise established, City policy regarding limited access for Elm Avenue in the future. He felt however, this could be termed "restricted" acce He agreed with the Luthern representative that an owner ship of 750. feet of frontage had every right to demand access. He also felt the Church, and adjacent property owners, could no doubt propose a sewer for the area tha would meet the County health department requirements, MR. WILLIAM H. RAY, 3621 Trieste Drive, felt that a consideration should be made of the fact that except for Sunday morning hours, the traffic in and out of thi parking lot would be quite light. The public hearing was closed at 8:22 P.M. and Com- mission discussion followed, covering the previous prob of access to Elm Avenue for the Church and the stated COMMISSIONERS ment conditions. Mr. Spano stated it had become the policy of the City and City Engineering Department to limit access o Elm Avenue, all the way to El Camino Real, for the rea C n r a d 5 5 d t 5 D I Dl a c L \ 1' Condition #15, requiring dedication of 'access rights at that location. The proper motion was then made to ap- prove Resolution No. 663, granting this application for the following reasons, and subject to all Conditions of pproval (Nos. 1 thru 15) set forth in Staff Report of h ns - z ed e 11.1 s. em \ , CITY OF CMLSBAD -4- COMMISSIONERS June 3, 1970. Conditions 1 through 15 of Staff Report dated June 3, 1970, for the following reasons: 1. That the.granting of this Conditional Use Permit will not be detrimental to the surrounding proper- ties; and buffering between residential uses and a futur major arterial highway; 2. That the proposed project will provide open space OLD BUSINESS: (a) 'Continued' Items Attachment - Planning Director reports: 70.2 Garfield Area Reclassification - Polling of property owners continuing; public hearing date to be set following this action. Polling about 50% complete 70.3 Buena Vista Lagoon Study - Planning Director to follow-up. 70.4 Mobile Homes Study - Mr. 0linghouse.discussed the preparation of this study, being offered as a Supplement No. 1 to the Cityhs Hous.ing Element of the ordinance. He added there was certain otfier appendtx information he planned to include, in the form of ad- ditional statistic charts and comparisons with other cities. He asked that tonite's discussions be general prior to any public hearing or recommendation to the City Council. Items of discussion included in this report were: (1) National statistics for mobile Rome dwellers, as opposed to Southern California facts now available; (2) The San Diego CPOts future study and report which is forthcoming, probably in the Fall, and which Mr. Olinghouse felt would be very helpful; (3) Median incomes, low values, and residential patterns i the North County community, as compared with Carlsbads The lack of comparative data and CarlsbadEs present lack of the newer mobile home parks; (5) The long term meaning of "urban sprawl" and how it applies to these parks. Commissioner Palmateer volunteered certain appl c- able information, as obtained from hi'~ recent attend- ance at the League of California Cities Planning con- ference in Anaheim, and he said mobile home park devel- opment is apparently a problem of prl-me importance ,throughout this State, although most cities have varyirg ' conditions to report, making generalized planning diffi- i cult in many areas. Some common features brought out were: Disadvantages - (1) The physical aspects -- where to fit into City plans because of urban sprawl and beirg difficult to use as part of a coordinated city, being isolated communities within the community. (2) That they / .. CITY OF CARLSBAD -5- school district; (3) They could some needs for low-cost housing homes will be required by 1980, physical impossibility for sing provide.) However, it was a genera tended to have an image of non-permanence; (3) They dc not fit into the goals o'r policies of the General Plal for cities; (4) They do not add materially to the worl force; (5) That incomes are generally below middle in. come-s for a city. Advantages were: (1) They do bring in outside monies and residents tend to spend almost all of thei total dollar in a given city, or area; (21 They do cu' down on the number of school classrooms needed in a provide an answer to (.i.e., some 27 milliol which is considered a le dwellings alone to 1 opinion that as far City services required fo; these mobile home parks, i usually costs the city more for normal services becaus of their 1ocation.from the central city. Commissione Palmateer presented a few personal recommendations, a a result of his review of this mobile home report and these recent pertinent discussions at the conference: (1) A time limitation should be placed on the conditic use permit5 for these parks to develop; (2) A size limitation should be imposed, as to square footage al' lowed for units, in order to make them'comparable to single .dwelling units; (3) Possibly specify by ordinal that mobile home developments not comprise more than a certain percentage of dwelling units within a city; (4) Generally, plan where they will be located in an attempt to fit them into the existing community; (5) Attempt to limit the size of the complete development MR. HARRY TRUAX, 4125 Harbor Drive, wished to comment on his review of this report, as it differed with his working experience and knowledge of mobile home developments in this area (Oceanside-Carlsbad.) H.e commen.ted he thought it was a good report and the figures were well compiled, with evidence of much re- search being done. He did disagree with several com- ments contained in the "Summary of Findings", dealing with planning and engineering for these parks; he did feel topography represented any real problem; he questioned the "comparative low land valuest' and cite an instance in Oceanside recently where this was enti the reverse case; he felt the comments in the k'Summar, of Findings'' were entirely too general. Mr. Truax fel it was the-duty of the City itself to educate and utilize its new residents, for an asset rather than allow the'isolated community to exist, and this could be applied to the issue of school bonds being voted down by such retiree communities. Mr. Truax felt the park developer stands many taxes which benefit the city, and that he continues tc maintain his own utilities, streets, improvements,'etc He felt the recently added sewer plant in this area has precipitated the many mobile home applications in this city, and that this will no doubt conttnue, as financing is more readily available than for subdivis, ions at this time. He also felt these parks fulffll a definite housing need rather than displacing the COMMISSIONERS CITY OF CARLSBAD -6- single family dwelling. He also compared financing a attitudes towards adults only and family-type parks, as well as regulations governing each. He concluded, asking the Commlssion to exert g-reat care in approach f'uture mobile home developments, if the Planning Depa ments report and recommendations are followed. Mr. Olinghouse stated he wished to present thi report to the Board of Realtors, Chamber of Commerce, and certain other interested groups, for discussion of its' ramifications, after which he can summarize these findings and report back to the Commission. He suggested setting a tentative public hearing date, vi Resolution of Intention, for July 14,1970. A motion was then made to resubmit the report to the Commissio by July 14th, before any hearing date is set, and thi received unanimous voice vote approval. I 70.5 Density Study - To be'incorporated with actton in Garfield Area Reclassification. 70.6 Public Utility Zone - Mr. Richmond of SDGEE wa present and said their was nothing to report as yet. 70.8 Scenic Corridor - To be continued, pending completion of priority projects. 70.11 Problem Area Zoning Study - With CIC and curr tly being studied as to federal programs available. 70.12 Revised General Plan - Land Use Element - Mr. Olinghouse asked for any comments on the previously transmitted map and department recommendations. The densities involved were discussed and Mr. Johnston commented that this area has never .been approved in the General Plan, but the Planned Community Zone is quite feasible here for its development. Also, a P-C reclassification was recently approved for this area and another is in the Planning Department at present., The present R-T Zone with its rather high densities (as opposed to the 0 - 30 density proposed) does not make good planning for the whole area possible. For these reasons, a basis of planning should be resolved The motion was made to approve the Land Use Element recommendations as presented, and to set.a public hearing date, via Resolution of Intention, for the July 14, 1970 meeting. This received unanimous voice vote approval. 70.13 South Carlsbad Community Plan - Target Date-J 70.14 Open Space Element - Target Date-June 23, 1970 70.15 Education Element - Mr. Olinghouse advised th item may be deleted, pending research to be completed by the Urban Planning Consultants (Duncan G Jones) un the Federal assistance program, (Note: The Chairman requested that Items 6 and 7 of t Agenda Format (Old Business and New Business) be reve to accommodate those present desiring to handle "New Business" items, and not having to wait through our Continued Items list. In the future, New Business it1 will be heard first.) I COMMl SSIONERS 9 - Motion Ayes Mot ion Ayes e r CITY OF CARLSBAD -7- NEW BUSINESS: (a) CONTINUED - Memorandum dated 5/20/70 re Request for House Move approval for Danny Soto of 2615 Madison Street to relocate to rear of lot at 2568 Roosevelt Street Mr. Osburn was present to present the background on this house move request and had forwarded a sketch show- ~ ing the present location and proposed location, all on the same lot. He stated the house was in good conditio1 and he could recommend approval of this request. Also, Mr. Soto has already made the curb and gutter improve- ments at the proposed location. The motion was made to grant the request for house move from 2615 Madison Street to 2678 Roosevelt Street, by Mr. Danny Soto; this received unanimous voice vote approval. I I COMMITTEE REPORTS: (a) League of California Cities Conference, Anahetm, June 3-5 - Chairman Jose and Commissioner Palmateer both commented on the excellence of this conference, as to roundtable discussions, discussion topics, speakers, and good communications between the professional repre- sentatives and city commissioners. Chairman Jose advis he had requested the League to make means of duplicatFn speeches or background material for discussions, avail- able to attendees, as much of this information was time and applicable to problems in many cities. ADJOURNMENT: The motion was made and unanimously agreed by votce vote to adjourn the meeting at 9:48 P.M. Mot Aye :d I Y Mot Aye COMMISSIONERS