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ROLL CALL: Five Commissioners were present. Commissioners Jose and Dominguez were absent.
APPROVAL .OF MINUTES: Approval of the Minutes for .October 9, 1973, October 23. 1973 and October 30, 1973 were not presented for approval..
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS: Planning Director Agatep stated he had written communicattons and they would be presented Tn conjunctl’on with the project to which they pertain.
ORAL COMMUNICATION: Chairman Pro Tem. Little explained to the
audience the public hearing procedure as set out in a graphic shown on the screen.
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
(a) CASE NO. ZCA#35 - AMENDMENT TO TITLE 21, SIGN ORDINANCE. Request for adoption to amend ‘Title 21 regarding signs, to providc minimum standards to safeguard life, health, property and public welfare by regulating and controlling the quality of materials, structural design, construction, electrification and maintenance of all signs and sign structures.
Paul Williams again went over the sign ordinance, and advised that
it had been further discussed at a workshop meeting on November
16, 1973. He explained also that there had been a further meetinc with the Director of Building, Richard Osburn, and there had been further input from his department. There were several changes,
pointed out (suggested changes) by Mr. Williams, and these change: were briefly discussed by the Commission. Mr. Williams explained
the time limit for certain signs to be brought into conformance, and with no further discussion the following motion was made:
Motion was made that a Resolution be adopted by the Planning Commission recomnending to the City Council the approval of ZCA#35, to include Exhibits A & B as submitted to the Planning Commission and incorporate the changes as had been suggested’for pages 2, 3, 29 and 30.
(b) CASE NOS: MP-1 E; SF-143 & CT 73036: n AMOS. $mm$y Request
for adoption of a Master P1 an and Specif tc Plan and consMepqtt.on of a Tentative Map to allow the development of a 146 lot s1”ngle family subdivision on approximately 52.5 acres of land generally located easterly of and adjacent to El Caml’no Real, southerly of I present southerly most extensl’on of Trieste Drive, presently zoned P-C (P1 anned Community).
-Associate Planner Will iams gave the staff report for this project
It was stated that this project would be developed in two phases, Single-family subdivision and townhouse condominiums with 6 d.u./ acre will comprise the Master Plan as provided. Trieste will be extended to Tamarack, and with a -change in the s uare footage, the Tentative MaD has been revised. It Was stated t R at the 1 . 66-2/3% requir,&ent for open sp.ace wi 11 be prov-ided on each site
’ so this project.wil1 meet the Planned Community requirement.
Commissioner Little stated his concern for the circulation
: element for this area and felt a condition should be made to make Tamarack the main street for ingress and egress.
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Pub1 ic Hearing was opened and Mr. Amos Sommers of La Mesa, the 1 applicant addressed the Commission and audience. He stated he had read the report and concurred with a1 1 i terns. He stated there wer H 27 acres, less- the amount in the easement. He said the City may i want to use the easement at a later date. . He also stated he feels f it is premature to discuss design at this time. He is postponeing I that portion of the project at least one year. Mr. Sommers L complimented the Staff for their assistance in this project. He 1 also stated he felt the lighting requirements were excessive and would 1 i ke to see this reconsidered.
Comnissioner CaSler questioned if Mr. Sommers was going to use the Mission Bell lighting and Mr. Sommers answered in the affirmative. COmmissioner Palmateer inquired as to how far apart the lights on I El Camino Real would be. and Mr. Sommers replied approximately 1 400-500 feet .apart. City Engi.neer Flanagan advised he felt until the City changes street .lighting policy, we should stick with what is -standard. Should post for future agreement for a later date. If standards a.re reduced at that time the City may not need as many 1 ights as now, and the developer would be re1 ieved of the responsibility of additional 1 ighting. Mr. Sommers stated he was. agreeable.
No one else wished to speak, and the Public hearing was closed.
It was pointed out that in the initial stages of this development there will be no Homeowners Association. It is to occur in the second phase of development.
Motion was made that the Planning Commission adopt a Resolution approving Master Plan #125, and recommend approval to the City Council, subject to the conditions contained in the Staff Report, as amended .
Motion was made that the Planning Commission adopt a Resolution approving Specific Plan No. 143, and recommend approval to the City Conncfl, subject to conditions contained in the staff report.
Motion was made that the Planning Commission adopt a Resolution approving7Tentative Map CT 73-36, and recommend approval to the City Council, subject to conditions 1-14 contained in the STaff Report, with the modification of Condition #7 regarding Hispanic 'Motif street lighting.
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(c) CASE NO. MP-132 - PACESETTER HOMES, INC. - Request for approval of a Revised Master Plan. This revision was requested by' the City Council on Oct. 16, 1973, in accordance with report from Planning Commission that a more detailed Master Plan should be submitted. ' City, Council final action in abeyance until report from 'Plan'ning Commission on revised plan. Request is for 351 unit development on 60 acres of land generally located to the east of Lowder Lane, midway between Palornar Airport Road and Poinsettia Lane, with preannexational zoning of P-C (Planned Community).
Associate Planner Paul Williams gave the staff report for this request and stated there is a total of 60 acres involved, and the project will be developed in 3 phases (single-family, cluster
4 plexes, and dedication of 2.5 acre park site). This is the last leg of the Park System from Batiquitos Lagoon to the McReynol property. There is no connection to -the south. Densities for ihi$ project will b,e 7 d.u./net acre. Staff recommended approval. It. was also. stated that all streets will be public,
,Public Hearing was opened and Mr. John Klug, representative I I
of Pacesetter Homes, stated they were in complete agreement with 1
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i the conditions of approval. He also stated for the record that they are now proposing 328 units.
With no one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed. There was no further discussion of the Commission and the followit motion was made.
Motion was made that the Planning Commission adopt a Resolution approving Master Plan f132, for the reasons outlined in the staff report with condition #1 being modified as agreed upon; and further recommend approval to the City Council.
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At this point in the meeting the Associate Planner presented a Special Study Area.report on the property from El Camino Real north of Elm Avenue. This special study report was presented before the following three cases as they were all for requests for shopping centers and this study was to assist in making that decision , pointing out the Staff's feel ings on the proposed uses for the areas. It was stated that any commercial use in that area should be limited to neighborhood shopping centers.
(d) CASE NOS. EIS-171, ZC-128 and SP-134 - RINKER COMPANY: A request for Acceptance of EIR, approval of a zone change from R-1-10,000 to C-2 and adoption of a Specific Plan to allow the deyelopment of a neighborhood shopping facility, on property generally located at the southeast corner of the int'ersection of Marron Road and El Camino Real , containing approximately 11.7 acrc
Associate Planner Williams gave the staff report and its re- commendations for acceptance of EIR and denial of the zone change and specific plan, The Planning Director presented copies of letters opposing this proposal from the CBDAC and other citizens who wanted no commercial along El Camino and Highway 78. Public Hearing was opened and Mr. Chan Lefebvre for The Rinker Company spoke to the Commissioners .giving a brief background
of the Company ; and advised that before contactlng major persons to be involved in the shopping center, they have already received committments from #-major market, drugstore, 2 restaurants and a bank and tire company. They are prepared to move forward if approval is received ..
Mr. Don Schoell, architect for this project spoke to the Cornisstoners describing the project, explaining their concept of- the three dtfferent types of shopping centers, explaining some aerial photos taken of the city, and discussed circulation.
Mr. Robert Repucci of Catalina Street, owner of the Western Auto
. Store in downtown Carlsbad, representing the downtown merchants association spoke Opposing this shopping center. He stated all the merchants had their lives tied up in their buslnesses and there was no need to have another large shopping center in the northern end of town, which shopping center would wipe out the downtown section which even the City has been tryi-ng to re- vitalize
Pub1 ic Heartng was closed and discussion following was held by the Cm.issioners. Commissioner Forman sai.d :he was bothered
and didn't thtnk tfiis was the.best spot for this development so&i.of Marron Road. Commissioner Little agreed. Commissioner Palmateer stated he felt the City owed the Downtown Merchants a chance to get their businesses on a better paying basis, and
felt this development would be premature for the area on El Camin Teal .
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Motion was made that the Planning Commission accept Environmental Impact Report No. 171 for this project, to include the preliminar: EIR for the project, staff comments contained in report, response from citizens as part of the public hearing, and any response from agencies contacted.
Motion was made that the Planning Comission adopt a resolution DENYING this Zone Change No. 128 for the reasons outlined in the staff report.
Motion was made that the Planning Comission adopt a resolution DENYING the Specific Plan No. 134, for the reasons outlined in .staff report.
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At this 'point in the me'eting a recess was called. Recess was from the hour of 9:25 PM to 9:40 PM.
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(d-2) CASE NOS. EIS-219, EIS-220, ZC-131, ZC-132, SP-141 and SP-146 - KELLY, KURLANDER, ET AL AND 0. E. VANDERBURG- Request for acceptance of final EIR's. Change of Zone from R-1-10,000 to C-2 (General Commercial) and adoption of a specific Plan to allow development of a shopping center on approximately 29.28 acres generally located at the northeast intersection of Marron Road and El Camino Real.
Associate Plan'nec WilIZams gave the staff report for this request and again brought out points contained in the Special Study Area report he had presented earlier in the evening, describing the recommendations for this area. He explained that the Master Plan comprises the whole area and that this is a combination of properties. It was recommended that 10 acres on the eastern boundary of the property be deleted, and Osuna Drive should be abandoned.
Public Hearing was opened and Mr. Robert Ladwig of Rick Engineer, Company, 509 Elm Avenue spoke representing the Applicants. . Mr. Ladwig stated he was in agreement with most of the conditions and preceded to advise the conditions to which they wanted to either become relieved of or have amended.
Mr. A1 Hagan, 777 Silver Spur Road, Rolling Hills Estates, develol .of the project gave a report on the site and stated that Vons, and Sav-On Drugs have been offered an opportunity to join them in the Shopping Center and have accepted. He stated he felt this shopping center was in no way competition with the El Camino Plazi Mall and was a .better site for -a neighborhood shopping center. Hc stated there would be no bqrs or poolrooms.in this center, and would have a' builders hardware tenant, as well as having the Bank of America remain in the City.
-Mr. Joseph Stewart of Vons Market, 101 50 Lower Azusa Road, El Monte stated he was :happy to be given the opportunity to build at the center and hoped the Commission would approve- the project. Mr. James Sell ic representing Sav-On Drugs , 4818 Mar4na Blvd., Marina Del Rey, stated theyare genuinely interested .in the area and would recomnend approval by the Planning Commission.
Mr. Bob Rapucci, owner of the Western Auto Store .i.n downtown Carl-sbad spoke on behalf of the Downtown Businessmen's Associatior 'and "said-they .. are sorely afraid if this .shopping center. is' '
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approved they will all be put out of business. He again stated that they are going to be competing with businesses larger than theirs and after all the efforts to revitalize the downtown distr' now the city is chopping them down again by allowing thel'big-time1 to come in and knock out the "little guys".
With no one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed, and further discussion was held by the Commission, Comissioner Palmateer said he feels this might be a bit premature for this type of development and was also concerned about the businesses in the tohtown area. He a1 so expressed concern for the project as it is clearly shown to be in the flood plain. Commissioner Forman stated he felt by the time this is completely built, we will have more justification and-people to support this shopping center. Commissioner Casler stated she felt within the next 18 months -to 2 years there will be more need for this project because-of the growth in the area. It was agreed that there would be a deletion of 10 acres on the eastern boundary of the property and Commissioner Wrench asked the developer if deletion of these 10 acres would constitute a need for a redesign of the project. The developer stated NO,
it would remain as it is.
Wtth no firtFW dtscusslop, a Motton w@a -made to nccept the FinaT EfR's Nos. 131 and 132, with justiflcatfons as stated in staff report.
Motion was made to adopt a Resolution recommending to the City Council, approval of Zone Change Nos. 131 and 132, with provision for the 10 acres on the easterly boundary of subject property to be deleted from consideration.
Motion was made that the Planning Commission adopt a Resolution recomnending to the City Council approval of Specific Plan NOS. 141 and 146, with the exception of the 10 acres to be deleted on the easterly boundary of the property, subject to the conditions stated in the staff report, as amended.
5(e). CASE NOS: EIS-163, ZC-119, and SP-124 - LARWIN-SAN DIEGO: Request for -Acceptance of EIR, approval of a Change of Zone' from R-1-10,000 to C-2 (General Commercial) and adoption of a Specific Plan, for a commercial development on property generally located between Elm Avenue and Marron Road on the east side of El Camino
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Associate Planner Williams gave the staff report for this' request and explained the staff recommendation for denial.
Public Hearing was opened and Mr. Ed Moshey, 7801: Mission Center' Court, SSn Diego, representing Larwin, Inc., addressed the Commissioners. He stated he felt there were some valid objection to the concept of the project and requested that Larwin be given .'a 1 ittle more time to work out same with Staff. He requested that the matter be tontinued,. but was advised by Chairman Pro Tempore, Little, that the Commission had to act on the request before them, and suggested a withdrawal by the Applicant. The Applicant stated he would choose to withdraw. A Minute Motion was made to accept the request for withdrawal of Zone Change 119, Specific Plan 124 and EIR No. 163.
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(f) CASE NO. GPA-18 - LAND USE ELEMENT NO. 7. - PALOMAR AIRPORT INDUSTRIAL PARK - Request for consideration of an amendment to the General Plan Land Use Section, to change the land use desig- nation for property generally located at the southwest corner of Palomar Airport Road and El Camino Real, from Low-Density and Medium-Density residential to P-M (Planned Industrial).
This item was continued to a workshop meeting, and public hearing
to be held on Friday, November 30, 1973, at which time testimony would be taken from those wishing to speak.
Motion was made that this item be continued to Friday, November 30, 1973 for public hearing testimony.
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(9) CASE NO. GPA-19 - LAND USE AMENDMENT NO. 8 - (Assembly Bill No. 1301 1: Report from the Planning Director and General Plan Land Use Committee regarding recommendations for course of action to insure compliance with the requirements of AB-1301.
Associate Planner Paul Wi.lliams read the report for this require- rhent, and explained the three alternatives contained therein.
Public hearing was opened and there were many persons from the audience wlshing to speak regarding the areas involved, mainly Area #2 which is the Ponto Area. Testimony was quite lengthy, and if more explicit information is required regarding any parti- cular testimony, tapes are on file in the Planning Department. Those persons speaking on Area #2 (Ponto Area) were: Mr. Nathan Pollard, Gaycrest Kennels;' Mr. Jim Miller, 7238 Ponto; Lavone Murray, Equipment Rental, 3228 Valley St.; Mr. Dale Schriber, 1457 Crest, Leucadia who is building storage units amounting to approx. $300,000.00; Mr. Eugene Chappee, wrecking yard, 654 No. Hiwy 101, Leucadia; Cal. Lodwig, 258 Calvan St. Encinitas; all of the above listed persons spoke on Area #2 and each suggest that the zoning NOT be changed, but that the General Plan be changed to use the present zoning.
It was moved that this matter be continued to a workshop hearing, to take further testimony, on Friday, Nov. 30, 1973 at 9:00 AM in the Councll .Chambers.
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'UNFINISHED BUSINESS:
(a.) 'PLANNING. COMMISSION POLICIES No. 1-11 - Consideration of Planning Comnission Policies No. 1-11. Policy No. 9 has already been approved ~. . The' Planning Commission had previously discussed each of the policies, so they did not re-discuss each individual policy. There was a separate minute motion approving each of the policies, except No. 9 which had previously been approved. A se.parate Minute Motion was -given 'for the below .listed policies:
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1. Reaffirmation of Planning Commission By-Laws 2. Adoption of Standard Conditions 3. Adoption of Developmental Standards 4. Limitation of Rezoning to Legal Parcels 5. Acceptance of Letters of Continuance 6, Concurrance of the Staff and Applicant 7. Requiring Submittal of Developmental Plans with Zoning Request 8. Establishment of Procedure for Preservation of Exhibits receiv 9. Street Naming Policy (previously adopted) 10. City Council Policy on Panhandle Lots 11. Street Name Adoption and Changing Pol icy.
Each Minute Mo€i.on fbr/Policies +,2,3,4,5,6,&. 7 was made by Cbmiss.ioner. Casler, Minute Motion for 8,10,11, was made by
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(a) REQUEST FOR HOUSE MOVE - J. TUSHINSKY : Request to move existing residence from 2086 Plaza Road to 7333 Almaden Lane in the La Costa Area, presently zoned R-1.
Memo was read to Planning Commission on this request, stating the matter had been approved on August 28, 1973 , but applicant failed to write a letter accepting conditions, making the request void, The original request was to reduce the rear yard setback from 16.2 ft. to 10 ft. ; and the setbacks proposed at the new location do conform to the ordinance requirements.
Motion was made to approve the request for a House Move for J, Tusinsky, for the reasons stated in staff report.
(61 LOT SPLIT NO. 213 - PLAZA DEL NORTE (Lot 6 Of CT 72-31: Request for consideration of parcel split, Lot 6 of Tentative Map 72-3 for Plaza Del Norte.
Associate Planner Williams gave the staEf report for this
parcels as the Datsoa Dealer only wanted a small area for their auto dealership., The applicant stated there were no objections
Motion was made that Lot 6 only of Carlsbad Tract 72-3 be split. subject to the conditions stated in the -Staff Report, and for the. reasons stated therein. -
1. request advising this split was requested to make 2-three acre
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It was noted at this time in the meeting 'that the Commission "would' have to adopt a Resolution of Intention in order to ko1d.a public hearing for considerstion of.-the.Open Space and Conservat.ion elements of the General Plan, which have .to be heard and adopted by the Commission and City Council prior to ; January 1 , 1974. There was no discussion on the matter as it had previously been discussed in workshop session, and the follow
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Motion waymade that .the Planning Commission of the 'City of ,Carl.sbad dec-lare. its intention. to hold a.-publ-i'c. hearing on the Open Space and Conservation Elements of the General Plan, by ' . a,dopting Resolutlon of Intention No. 97.
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ADJOURNMENT:
By proper Motion, the Planning Comnission did adjourn thelr meeting to Friday, Novem6er 30, 1973, at 9:00 A.M., in the City Council Chambers. Adjournment came at 12:30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted
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