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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1984-03-28; Planning Commission; MinutesMeeting of: Date of Meeting: Time of Meeting: Plaoe of Ml!eting: CALL 'ID CHER: MINUTES l ~It«; CXMHSSICN/DESIGN REVIEW BY\RD March 28, 1984 7:00 p.m. City council Charmers 'ffle Meeting was called to or:der by Olairman Rarb:>tis at 7:00 p.m. ROLL CALL: Present: Olairman Ral'botis, cannissioners Rawlins, Schlehuber, smith, Marcus, Farrow and Lyttleton. Absent: None. Chairman Ralbotis stated this was a .Joint lll!eting of the Design Review Board and Planning Callllission. flle Planning Callllission would only YOte on the tentative map on the item to be oonsidered, and a joint hearing would be held. Re roncluded, stating Chairman McCoy of the Design Review !:bard would oonduct the lll!eting. ROLL CALL: Present: Olairman McCoy, Ment>ers Ral'botis, Schlehuber, Marcus and Holmes. Absent: None. Staff Menb!rs Present: O\arles Grinm, Principal Planner Bill Hofman, Principal Planner Catherine Nicholas, Assistant Planner Bx~ficio Mellt>ers Present: Mike HolZllliller, Land Use Planning Manager Chriu Salcaine, ca.unity Redevelopnent Manager Dan Hentadlke, Assistant City Attorney DIIV'e Hauaer, Deputy City Engineer Nllf RELIC H1WU1G,: 1. CT 8'-6~274 -CARlSMD ~ -Request to allow oorwtruetlcin a iiilied Ullle reeort cmplex including 1 132 t~ a:indcllini1m units, a 66-unit ootel, a retail building, and a restaurant, all located oo the entire city blodt at the aouthwest oorner of carlsbad Baulevard and Bl.In Awnue. Chri• Salcane, ec.amity Radevelopnent Manager, gave the pneentatioo al this ite111 as oontained in the staff report, uaing a tranaparency of a location map showing the aite of the project and wall nape showing views of the buildinga to be included in the entire project. 'lbe pedting will be m-eite a lftlerground, with the et:ruetun abcJYe grade along Ocean Aveooe, falling back to.,_.. it ia totally lft!erground. 'fflere will be ro acoeu off of OoNn, me aooesa oo Carlsbad Boulevard ard ll00N8 and •it a, Qak a El.RI. 'lbere will be a planted adian Cl\ Carlabad Boulevard. 'ftle site plan ws dilplay9d a, a •11 111111> n Mr. salan::ine referred to thia aite plan to explain how the nietaurant would be ret:atn.! ~ it ia, with the historical house being reat:cred to ita odginal 111pln¥t>r. (j) MINUTES March 28, 1984 Page 2 An .-erdaent to t.he local Coastal Plan will be required, since ti.R-share oondcminil.1118 are oonsidered as condcainiiaa, and staff would support such an merdnent. Mr. Salatale stated this project was exciting to the Redevelopnent staff. It will have a pedestrian at:B>ephere-village at:DJephere, and a lot of pedestrian aocess and mixed uses. On-street parking will be provided with additimal amenities, with diagonal parking on Elal and oaJt and parallel parking 00 Ocean. The ec.oncBic benefit to the village area will be trererdous and the City will benl!fit frcn the roan tax, sales tax and prq,erty taxes. In answer to a questioo fran Cannissioner Schlehuber, Mike Holarl.ller, Land Use Planning Manager, stated that when there is a difference in elevatioo fran the fratt to badt of mre than ten feet, the zoning ordinance, mder the height definitioo, gives a ten-foot bonus in this case. A transparency showing the determinatioo of building height we used to demnstrate how the definitioo works. The difference oo this property is 13 feet. The ordinance also gives a lxlnus oo non-flat rooftops by measuring to the mid-1)0int of the pitch of the roof. Caaissioner Smith in:nlired about the width of Elm Aveooe, stating it is narrow in that block and the ptq)08ed t.l'lderground parking entrance extends out into the street. He was also ooncemed about the traffic. Kalt lllitson, Traffic Engineer under oontract with the City, stated full widening <n1ld be done oo the north aide of the roadway. Cmaiasioner Smith Mked .-hether Bl.a Aven.ie would be iJlproved before the underground parking w• biilt. Be also ccaented oo the nap jutting out into the street. Chris Sal<a:ine stated that -done to provide a safety factor" for the padeatri-at that exit. oa.iuioner Schlehuber (J.leeticned that cru.y one parking apaae -pawided fer each a:ntoainim. Staff stated that tbta -the lliniJul required. 'ftle t~ oandcainillll are to be ~tricted to one BJnth, with the thaught that tbta would lower the chances for visiton to beocat • probl-. ec.ii•ioner 8111th Mked whether the electric poles would be elillinated and -auaured that utilities wauld be undm)raund. O\aita11 NcCoy ~ the pJblic hearing at 7:25 p.11. and iaued the inritation to lll)Mk. llr. Jill 11atldna, 355 -14th Street, Del Mar, spoke as the ll!Plio.t, at:ating he agreed about the utilities-they an ugly 111d will be biried. Mr. llltkinll deecribed the pcojeet. 111d lltated thay are excited about the villal}e- type •~· 'ftlllY t:DCk carlabac!'• plan and tried to .,_ __ wlate lt. lie deecribed the pedNtrian ~ and aaniti• of the (XJll>lex. MINUTES PLNIU!l; CXMIISSI~ March 28, 1984 Page 3 Mr. Matkins stated they had ooly gotten together with Fidel's this welt. He stated that rather than tear that building down, they are going to inoorporate the existing building and tring it badt to the elegant building it vae. In answer to query, Mr. W!ltkins stated he was President of Winner's Circle R@SCX'te Internatiooal, Inc., who would be the eventual property owner. Mr. Don Schoell, Architect, San Diego, space in favor of this project, showing a poster with photographs of sane of their -,rk in Del Mar, adding that ecmething of this similar nature had been planned for Carlsbad. Mr. Schoell used the wall chart of the site plan to indicate how the project will be c:riented for views to the ocean and q>er1 space. Mr. Schoell explained that the restaurant IIO.lld have decks to look toltard the ocean and the green areas. Acoording to Mr. Schoell, there IIO.lld be many different textures oo the buildings, with warm oolors and heavy landscaping to create a warm, friendly atmsphere. Re used the site plan map to indicate the trees shown there are trees that are already there and 110.1ld oot be noved. 1'le palm trees oo the prq>erty will be re-located oo the site, giving a well~loped feeling fran the begiMing. In answer to query, it wis determined the driveway exit onto Bhl would be 15 ft. wide and would be a ate-11ay exit a'\l.y. COlllliuioner Schlehuber stated that mny letters had been ntoeived frca the Historical Society regarding this hiatorioal buildir,,i and oow i.Jl'portant it is to Carlsbad. Be atated he ..anted the reoord to reflect that the buildir,,i will be saved. ca.iuioner LytUetm ~ired regardir,,i the 11A>li<9lt'■ cmait:ant to keep the building, and Mr. watJd.n■ ■tatel! the buildir,,i is beautiful, but it ooee need wfurbi■bing. It will be a plus for the project and the thay will retain it. He stated it could stay thew fcnryer. O:w91uicner LytUetm stated, with the agreew,t the building i■ to at&y, t:Ming off acae a:Utima ..te, and nnonting a c:hangiBJ, lhe aaked whether the ~liamt inurdlll! to ■tul!y the c:riginal buildir,,i that akes it hi■tcrioally ■ignifioant, and retain t:ho■e elements. Mr• -.:kin■ lltated the lean-to we died and the St<X"age llh■d--tJwy Wnt mt part of the c:riginal building. In _. to qua■tion • to the kind of exterior planned for the l'Ntlunlnt, _._ llltkin■ ■tated it would be old -.rld dN!4ft ml&! he felt the village plan pramtee bmawJUa diftr■ity. Pictodal exhibits are planned fer lnaide the hi■torioal atructuni. .... MINUTES March 28, 1984 Page 4 ca...issiooer Lyttleta\ asked Mr. watkins why, if they w.re aensitive to the village, didn't they study the original architecture of carlsbad and design a project hara:lnious with that, rather than tringing Del Mar character to Carlsbad. Mr. watkins answered that Carlsbad is a GerlMn l\l!llle and they had oonsidered both types of architecture. 'ffle balance of the prq>erty as it is does oot. cepu~ent good design and they felt it 1188 oold. 'ffle diversity will make for a wanner type of architecture. Judy Carroll, Director of Develcpnent, P.O. Bax 5000, spoke for the !R)licant, stating she would cover the oonditims they wnted to address and would give a schechle of productioo plans. She stated of the 46 oonditims, there were ooly three the !R)licant questimed. 'ffle first ronditioo questimed was 278, which Ms. Carroll asked be waived, as the !R)licant feels that additiooal five feet is very inportant to them to enable them to develop landscaping. Deputy City Engineer Dave Hauser answered the City intended to q:,en that street ~ and the wall would be pushed back, unless the applicant applied fer an encroachment permit. camdssiooer Rarbotis stated the 4 1/2 feet sectioo to the prq>erty line for utilities, underground electricity, etc., oould be utililzed for landscaping. Ms. Carroll stated there is a wall at the prq>erty line n::iw, and they wanted a sidewalk on the other side of it. With the 50 feet, they oould soften the inpact. 'ftte aeoond ronditioo queetimed was 29A.-the inatallatioo of the median oo Carlsbad Boulevard. Ms. Carroll stated the !R)licant would be pleased to install the adian, but felt the City m1ould pay half. Chris salcame explained that the oonditioo was identical to that iapoeed m the TVin Inns project. 'ftlis was a half Ndian, with the City Redevelcpnent to pay half. 'l'he thb:d conUtioo cp!8tiaied was 29G-a mdifi011tioo of the aignal at carlsbad Boulevard. Ms. Carroll stated the IA)lioant hoped that ws a lliniaal IDdi.ficatioo and not a re-1!Nign of. the signalizatioo ayatea itself. 'ffle Dlputy City lrvJineer explained the signal is oot 'I> to City at.amrda, Ind the !R)licant is reepaaaible for aodlificat!O'l en the a:iuthlMet comer of Bl.a Boulevard only. Oni.a 8al<W'lNt stated this sae oonditioo had bNn aakec! of the '!Yin Inna project and had been r_,,,.., • it wa a aipital illprovwnt. It ws stated the City I01J.d dMldt en this,• the require.nt should be equal far both project.s. Na. canoll indicated that the pro&.tction lldle&lle is to bnllk CJIQand June 1, a ■tart the hotel and garage Jme 30. 1!le ntail atana Ind 60 c:."Cnltoalni\1111 start ....,_r 30. '1he front half of the project is to be finulhed ~ l)1ollber 31, Ind the first phw of 60 oonilalllni1a1 Ind back half of. the aite IIIXk to be oaaplaud ~then of. Nard\, 1985. Phase tM> will pcOONd • the adtet.ing of. the conctoainima progre••· J ' MINUTES P~ CDl(ISSIO. March 28, 1984 Page 5 In ..-.-er to .tlether Fidel's would have to close, it was stated then! llOUld be limited rem::>deling and it llOUld oot entail cloeing Fidel's. If the renodeling became 110re extensive, after t1Dre study, it oould involve closing the restaurant for a t.ille, but ooly if Pidel 's agreed to that. The Historical Society will be IIOrlting with the appliamt to n!tain the palatial r@Sidence and the specimen trees. Then! will be a galley of historical sites and o:munity events, and the busin@88 plan calls for significant t,u,Jget ..:,unts for cmamity projects. Ccadssiooer Schlehuber stated he vJUld like it conditiooed that the basic historlcal site be kept. Re stated lffJ planned refurbishing should rome before the caaissioo and oot be left~ to the applicant. Mmler Rolllles stated that after looking at the auality of deeign, he had oo reservations about the architects being able to blend their structures in with the existing structure. Staff stated Conditions 19 and 20 should be deleted as they are re<lmdant. Fidel Montanez, owner and q>erator of Fidel's nestaurant, adc!resaed the ca.issioo and Board, stating there was a verbal agceaaent and he was willing to support this, coq>erate with the applicant, and restore ~-t:uilding to its original state. Mrs. Willi• Skinner, 3065 Ocean Street, space as a resident of. Ocean Street. She stated no a,e has aentioned the beach--t:M parldng or the oongestioo. She stated that in the atall!r, the r@Sidents then! can hardly get in or out of their driveways. She stated she did not underatmd llt1y Bngineering had stayed with parallel pmting Cl"I Ocean, and diagonal parking Cl"I oak and Elm. She ooncllded, atating the traffic .o\ld be increued cri all of the streets. Kent 11\itaan, Traffic Engineer, stated that, of oourse, traffic IICUld increMe. Fidel's ~ footage now equal.a 1,000 tripe a day and this project will generate 3,000 tripe II day. '!tie apeed liJllit is 25 !Ip\ and enforcible ~ l•. 'lbere is never enc)U9h parking is this aw:., partiailarly Cl"I wekenda, but with this parking plan it lhould t. m orderly. Nra. Skinner UJ9Nted packing •ters, and speed bUllpe al 0aNl'I StrNt., • there is a safety factor that ahould be aillt 1111!. In_. to Mn. Skinner's queetitt1 regarding the atl'Nt.1'9bta, the Dlp.lty City !ngineer stated they would be b1'h 1111111 an ..Um with an orange glow. --• 111:i.t,ner ~ about the ston drain facilitiee al 0aNl'I atnet n ataff stated the eton water will qo into • •iatin!I drain n nothing will ooaa accoes · to the WR aide ol the atrNt. MINUTES March 28, 1984 Page 6 Mrs. Skinner further stated that the beach in that area is a stepchild. 'ltlere are ro provisioos for clean tt> and she felt the residents should rot have to 111tintain that beach area for the tine-share omers. Also, there is 15 to 20 feet of ocean frontage, and Mrs. Skinner asked whether the l!R)licant intended to advertise "beach- front tiae share aondcninilllS•. Also, she stated, at the preeent tune, beach-goers walk through her gate and down her sidewalk to gain access to the beach. Mrs. Mary Melideo, carlsbad, addressed the Camdssioo and Boaro asking about the exit ooto Elm and where was the entrance. Staff stated the 111tin entrance is oo Carlsbad Boulevard. In answer to a queetioo about the wall oo Ocean Street, staff stated that the l!R)licant is proposing to keep it, and there wuld be sidewalks next to the wall-and parking, too. It was stated that the City needs the additiooal five feet oo Ocean, oowever. Marge HowarchJ<XteS, Historical Society, presented oopies of history of the Cohn hale to the camdssicners and Boaro Ment>ers and explained the (:tiotographs rontained there. She stated this represents a very iffpcrtant time in Carlsbad's history. She stated this hale (X)St $40, 000 to build and had 18 r0C1113 and inported tile. The llltP Ull4!ld for the toor last fall was also referred to and m1 article that ~ in the Journal. Mrs. BowanhJmee stated these are guidelines for the applicant to lll!le, along with pictures taken this 1110ming. Mrs. Frankie Runzo, 355 Elm, spdce in favor of this project. Mr. 111tkina stated they wre rot going to advertise •beach-front• property. He stated with the 11911 and Htblldt planned, this should help the pdvacy oo Ocean Street. Since ro cne else w-A.ahed to apuk oo this it•, the l)d>lic teetiacny Mia ooncllded at 8:31 p.111. and the item w• ~ fcE' DNign Reviw Board diacuaaim. l!llllber BolaM at.at~ thia wa the first project with all tbe parking inclucted en the pcq,erty. Street parking ca,not be cuwidered • part of. required parking in C.labad, bec:a.lN o1. the bNdH)oers. He stated he wa canc:.n.d about the truh at:orage areas and felt it wa not adaquat:a • ...._r Bdllehuber at.ated he ~ed the plan, mbject to dafinlte cmalt:aant to aep the criginal Cohn hem. lie felt OOnditicn 27B lhould be retained, with the City kelping the fiw foot at.rip. He aMad that 29G waa not naallld, • the City '°1ld P11Y h the adian. Marty CJnrw11t at:ated the City '°1ld ake every effcrt to P11Y far the otMr half ot. the aadian, but it is 14> to the City Camldl to clat:el:aine nther they will pay h it • ..._. llalb>tia at.ated thia oonditim ahould be left in W ataff mu1d ab the No I _ ndatiat. MINUTES March 28, 1984 Page 7 'lbe Deeign Review Board~ the Negative Declaration iuued by the Land use Planning Manager am a&pted the following Reaolutj .11: RBSCUJ'1'IQI !I>. 033, APPR:Wm; A ~ PEIIIIT ni:fllSne A (XH)ITICIW, lEE P£llllIT Ml> A aHXJUNlllt PBll(l'T 10 aHfflU.'T A MIXBD-{JSE RESORl' CDtPLl!:X n«:umn«; 132 TINB SIAR! CIHXJUNitJt llll'l'S, A 66-uaT fDJEL, A RBS'l'NJIWft', Ml> ~L 91:JPS IIJIIDIR; CN FOOR ACRES AT 'mE tD.flHl&6T CIRmR CF CARLSMD IOJLEVMD AND ~ AVINJB. Including the following: Staff will treat this applicant the ._ as the Twin IMS project with regard to the adian md signal ainditioos. 'ff1e historical houee to taain part of the project, with llfff IIIOdifioation to this house to be trought back to the Board before it 18 initiated. AOOalNUltft' CF IZSIQI ~ BOMD: By ErOl)er mtion, the Deaign Review Board adjourned at 8:38 p.m. CALL 10 CHER: O\airan Aollbotis called the Planning Camdssion back to order at 8:39 p.m., with all Malt>ers present. Ccaiuimer Saith stated he felt Elm Avenue should be widened down to Ocean Street, md would like this to be done before this project 18 oonpleted. 'lbe Planning Coaiaaion adopted the following ANolution: RBXDl'1tli II). 2263, JIDJNH)n«; APPRJU'AL CF A IMILM W,. fiU fltwt 132 llll'l'S CN 4.1 ACRES CN PillFikli <IINIMU.Y UD'D!D CN 'DIE 9X1'l1M:ST CXRe:R CF CMt8MD IDJLIYUD Ml> !DI AVINJE. Including the following: Staff to treat the applicant the -• the TWin Ima project with regard to the llldian n the traffic signal. 'lbe Historical houae when Pidel '■ .:.taurant is located to r:911lin part rx the project, with Sff ■Ddifioatial to cxae back to the City bafcre it 18 initiated. Staff to loalt a poaible widening of Elm Avenue to a unifam width, with lngineering to study this prior to the oanatructian of. thia project. In .-r to camy • to w.ether the five-feet 18 needed on~ Str.t, the Dlplty City Brlgineer stated it .aul.d bring that aide of the atreet "'tx> City •t.aalduda. Chaimlft lalbotia lffl0Unoad It-2 and 6 will be aantilN■d • .... °"'1na11 Ralboti■ daclared • NOM■ at 8:50 p.m. md the Planning OnllaSuian RCOnwned at 8:57 p.m., with all OWliulanen pneent. McCoy Roi..s Jatx>tis Schlehuber Marcus lbltx>tis Rawlins Schlehuber Sid.th Marcu8 Farrow I.¥ttleton X X X X X X X X X X X X X X MINUTES j March 28, 1984 2. CT 84-2/CP-270 -IA CXE'TA POIN'ffi '1'le Planning Camlission oontinued Item 12, to be re- noticed for a new public hearing. '1'le Planning Camlission oontinued Item 16, V-353- TBERRim, to be nH'lOtioed for a new public hearing. 2. CT 83-33/CP-257 -NIGJEL Il1.IERICR:) -Request for a tentative tract 1111p and oondaninium permit for 36 units on 5.1 acres at the south side of Alga Road between Manzanita Street c!nd Minosa Drive in the RD-M zone. Charles Grimn, Principal Planner, gave the presentation on this item as oontained in the staff report, using a transparency to show the site plan and wall llllpS showing the pr:q:,osed project. Chairman Raltx>tis c:pened the public hearing at 9:03 p.m. and issued the invitation to speak. Mr. Bob Jahn, Huntingtat Beach, stated the applicant agreed with all ccnditioos. Since rx> ate else '"i.shed to speak at this item, the public testinaty was ooncluded at 9:04 p.m. '1'le Planning Camdssion adapted the following Reeolutiat: RBSCU7l'laf !I). 2262, APPR)ITIM; A ffNI'ATIVE 'mACT ~ HID <XRDmm11 P!ll(IT ~ 36 tfiITS CN 5. 1 ACRES CN PKlPER1'I' Gl!!ll!Dft!l,Y UX'MU> CN 'JlfE SXJ'l1f SIDE CF AIQ. IU.D 1£'1~ fWftM1I'11' STlBT IR> MD1'.EA CIUVE. 4. CT 83-39~2~-356 -Hl!MUXlt CXHXMINitltS - Raqueat fer an 1 t tentative tract mp and ocnblinim pemit1 a variance: to reruoe the froot yard Mtbeck ftal a lS-foot average to 10 feet, to encroach into the 10-foot aetbadc a distance of 6 feet at me locatia11 and to reduce the visitor parking requireent fn:a 6 apaoee to 5 spaces at a • 54-acre let located on the aouth side of Belllodt Avenue adjacent to the ~F Railrcm and adc!reased as 369 Belll.odt Avenue. Char lee Gria, Principal Planner, gave the presentatiat on this it• • oontained in the staff i:epoct, using a tnnaperenc:.y llhowing the site and weall llllp8 showing the propoeed project and the offset 011~. In .-r to CJ,1Ntiaw from the ca.issicners, ooe Ngarding the height of the wall and ooe about ooise attenaatiat, staff agreed the wall should be 6-feet high ani! although the City did rx>t require l!fff ooise atten.aation cxnUtioo, a blodt wall would help. ~tis X Rawlins X Schlehuber X Smith X Marcus X Farrow X X Lyttleton X laltx>tis X Rawlins X Schlehuber X Smith X Marcus X Farrow X X Lyttleton X laltx>tis X Rawlins X Schlehuber X smith X Marcus X Farra, X X Iqttleton X @ MINUTES P!NfiIM;CXM(!SSICN March 28, 1984 Page 9 Chairman Rait,otis c.pened the public hearing at 9:13 p.m. and issued the invitation to speak. Mr. Henry 'l\Jbbs, 2224 Running Spring Place, Encinitas, addressed the Cannission as the applicant, stating he would be ~ to put '-" a sound wall, and adding that the windows will be rual-qlazed. Since no ate else wished to speak on this item, the public teetilmny was CX>ncluded at 9 : 14 p.m. Chairman Rait,otis stated standard sound attenuation would be required for the units that front the railroad, to ffl!et the 65 decibels. The Planning COlllllission approved the Negative Declaration issued by the Land Use Planning Manager and adopted the followina Resolutions: RESOUJl'ICN 00. 2260, APPR:J\Tn.l; A VARIANCE 'IO REOOCE 'IHE PIUff YARD SET8M]{ ~ 20 PEET 'IO 10 FEET AND 'IO Er«:RWli Dffl) '!HIS SE'mACK 6 FEET AIS"> 'IO REOOCE 'IHE VIS:rroR PAR!(!?«; ~IREM:NI'S FR01 SIX SPACES 'IO FIVE SPACES Gl!NERALLY I.OCA'.lE) OI 'IHE s:xm:t SIDE OF HEMLOCR AvmJE ~ GMFIEID AvmJE AND 'IHE AT&SF RAILR:W>. RESOUJl'ICN 00. 2261, APPRJITI!',l; AN ELE.VD1 ~IT C<HXJIINit:.Jt PlllJPX:T OI PR>PERl'Y GENERALLY LOCATED CN 'IHE scvm SIDE OF HDIUXlt AVENUE BE'lWEN GARFIEID AVEHJE AND TRE AT'5F RAILR:W). Subject to additional conditions of ronstructing a 6- foot wall and sound attenuation. 5. EIR 83-1/ZC-272/ZC-274tSP-190/CT 83-36/CP-273 -DEL MAR PDWCIAL -Certificat on en an Environmental Inpact Report and request for approval of preannexational zoning of C-2 (General Ccmnercial), o (Office), R-1- 20,000 and~ (~Space): a Specific Plan: Tentative Subdivis ion Map and Non-Residential Condcadnhnn Permit on the northeast side of El Cmnino Real, north and south of the prq:,oeed extension of C.011~ Boulevard. Catherine Nicholas, Assistant Planner, gave the pr---,tation en this ite111, using a location nap trarwpuency for the EIR section of the staff report. I n ...,.r to query, it was stated C street, as discussed in the BIR, is a right turn in and out: identified as n Street oo the tentat ive nap. A tranaparency ahowing the determination of ruilding he i ght wall UNI!, and in .--.er to query, Misa Nicholas stated the 1:uildinga were at 45 f eet, due to a 10-foot allawance for ttw grade difference. A transparency of the pcq)0Nd zcning by area was shown. It was stated the apecitic plan provided the achania to g ceed the 35-feet liait, ar.d the City Council throu:Jh the s ite develqaent plan oould apprc,ye this. St aff roo0111Mnded the Cc.aiuion go along with the 35-ftlf!t l illlit . '11'9 specific plan ia the ll)l>licant 'a mAIVI to <DM to the City Council and ~t height in excess of 35 feet. Auiat:Mt City Attomey Dan Hentachlte stated C-2 zooe doM not allow buildinge higher than 35 feet through a apecit'ic plan. 'lt\e C-2 zone "°'1ld have to be amended. R:mx>tis X Rawlins X X Schlehuber X Smith X Marcus X Farrow X Lyttleton X MINUTES March 28, 1984 Page 10 Charles Grim stated the camri.ssion had two cptialS; one, reannend to the City Council the applicant's request ex approve it as staff rea:mnends at 35 feet, with the provision of the specific plan that they rould request additiooal height by an application and cane back to the Council for approval. ttle project oonforim to the prq>OSed El Camino Real Scenic Preservation Standards now, but '°11.dn' t if it is approved for nore than 35 feet. In answer to Ccmnission query, staff stat ed the tcp portion of the building that encloses the air conditioning equip11ent and elevator equipnent does rot count toward the height of the ruilding. Chairman Ramotis opened the public hearing at 9:39 p.m. and issued the invitation to speak. Mr. Nick Banche, 3464 Ridgecrest Ori ve, ~essed the Ccnnission for Mike O'Hara, the developer, stating all requests oonform to the General Plan and rreet or exceed City standards. He asked a letter fran Mr. & Mrs. Grosse be nade a part of the reoord, indicating their slJAX)rt of this project. Mr. Banche stated there was one issue-that of height. He stated the Camlission should rea:mnend allowing the applicant to exceed the limit. ttlere are places where high-rise is offensi~t this piece of property is unique and would add to the aesthetics of the City. ttlis type of <DnStruction ooets nore, but the applicant wants a quality project. Mr. Banche referred to the ncdel of the project set up at the front of the Chant>ers and stated this ncdel had been oonstructed by the applicant to show the uniqueness of this piece of property. ttle Jw:>del is to soale with ooe inch equalling 40 feet. He explained the land to the west of El Clllrlno is higher than to the east, and there IO!ld be ro interference of buildings with the hodzoo. Mr. Banche offered for the reoord, the ~lication and written sutaissions, staff report and exhibits, the nodel ( substituting a photograph of that), the Grosses' letter and the epecific plan text, of which staff and eo.duioners have oopies. In .,._r to wiether the applicant was a,are of the 35- foot height lillit, Mr. Banche stated the applicant had been~ of that for four years, but had wrlted hard to ~t a project that they felt 1111118 a quality project and one that llight provide an q,portunity for the Collliuion to cpt to go around the cxdinance. Mr. John Ballew, 18025 Skypark Bast, Irvine, addressed the caaiuion, stating years have been spent in the pnparatim of this plan, with lots of graphics, lots of ■tudiee, -nded, IDlified and adjusted. '1be crdinances haN ~ a <X>Uple of times during this tiae. Re ■tated they -anted buildings that would allow for vistas throughout the prcperty, and oould have designed the building■ within the 35-foot lillit, but the ooet of building on this type of site is an illportant factor. MINUTES :t! ~ P~ CDIUSSICW March 28, 1984 Page 11 ~ ~-",~ ~ COMMISSIONERS ~ 1'~ ~\ Mr. Ballew stated the applicant wanted a project sensitive to this area-realizing that it is near the airport. Re felt the tr~ffs should be oonsidered by the Ca.issioo and determined whether they are legitimate and logical. 'lbe idea was to avoid having the project restricted, and avoid having people drive down El Camino Real and see just rooftops. 'lbe buildings on the project ooly rover 16 percent of the property, and 37 percent of the area is in landscaping. 'lbe hotel is a series of ooe-story units going down the hill, and the aeasurement is taken at the bottan, which creates a problem as far as the height limit. Mr. Ballew stated they fit the hotel to the slope. 'lbe specific plan states three criteria to permit increased height: ooe- are there other buildings in the area exceeding 35 feet- am he stated there ney not be other buildings, but there are other precedents. 'lbe applicant is not building oo flat pads, but fitting the buildings to fit the slopes; two-the height of the buildings will not adversely affect the surrouming properties--Mr. Ballew stated they feel their buildings will enhance the surrouming properties; three-the buildings are not umuly disproportionate-am these buildings are not large. 'lbe five er six buildings cover ooly 16 precent of the total site. Mr. Ballew reiterated the cll-Plicant 's intent to develop a quality project and stated he knew the height was a genuine ooncern, but by oonfiguratioo am access this is an unusual site. 'lbe plan as presented helps alleviate this by pr:eserving the i;:nysical features of the site as it exists. One building exceeding the height limit is Building Ir-- because El Camino Real slopes in that area am because of the ronfiguratioo of the building. It is a oonstantly cha1¥3ing same, with roof changes, to avoid a wall of buildings. Mr. Ballew stated the plants oo the rrodel are to scale. 'lbe buildings are clustered, with undergroum parking and plants oo tcp. He stated he felt this is the state of the art in office buildings. He didn't rement>er the exact height of each building. Mr. Robert Delorm, 2421 D.mstan, Oceanside, spoke in oppoeitioo to the placement of the 90--1::alled ooncepticnal placement of A Street. Re stated that without his knowledge or oonsent, Mr. O'Hara had created a oorridor in th<. center of the usable land oo his small parcel. Re stated this 11111!18 unfair and unacceptable and created a financial hardship for him. Mr. Delorm asked the ca.dssioo to prevent this oorridor oo the mall parcel of his land. ~ssioner Schlehuber stated he had received the -.u nap Mr. DelOt"III had suwlied and staff indicated his parcel as the one fartherest to the east and aouth oo the tentative IMP and stated it was concept ual in that area. Staff added the road alignment was fixed by the Inter-American developnent. @ MINUTES March 28, 1984 Page 12 Mr. 'lat Flanagan, 2752 Baniff Court, spdce in favor of the project. ff@ had roncerns about the traffic, stating when the 11:oll prq>erty lets out, College will go into the 11:oll prq,erty. He felt if College rould go under El CS!lino Real, that wuld help, and wondered if staff had considered an underpass. Mr. Flanagan stated that D Street wuld also interfere as far as traffic. 11:ent 1'1\itson, Traffic Consultant, stated that oo under or over passes are being oonsidered. 'Ihe enly ooes affordable at this time are those over the railroad tracks. 'Ibis IOlld require a full interchange, with a lot of right-of-way. Mr. 1'1\itson stated cloverleafs are not working out en the freeways and this location \oOUld not warrant an OYer er under pass. Mr. Joe Sandy, 2956 Roosevelt, representing the applicant, addressed the Camdssion en two technical questions: approYal of excess of 35-foot height-and this can be accurplished by givinq an extra foot of setback for each foot of height requested. Mr. sandy stated this applicant was giving that extra setback and has given more than ten feet in every instance with the exception of ooe. 'Ihe second question was th~ provision for heights in excess of 35-feet by approYal of the City Council. Mr. Sandy stated provisions do exist in the present ordinance and requests favorable oonsideration by the Camdssion. Dan Hentschke, Assistant City Attorney, stated that what Mr. Sandy said was true in the Office Z<xle, but that the proYisions of the C-2 zone d:)n't fit this partlcular project-it is only 8.8 acres and the hotel doesn't fit all requirements. If the Camdssion deelB this an appropriate plan and allows the project to proceed to exceed the height, this CDUld be discussed in the specific plan subject to an amendment to existing provisions of the C-2 Zale. Mr. John Lonegan, Loe Angeles, speaking for the owner of the prq>erty to the l'IO['th of this project, asked to be shown where Sunnycreek ~ goes, beqiMing with the departure fran El CS!lino nxtherly along the creek. Staff pointed this out at the map and Mr. Lcneqan asked whether there was an intention to rontinue Sunnycreek Road frm its pt'e&ent position along the street staff nientiooed. Staff stated there was oo oondition to cover that. 'ftlere ws a discussion about B Street and Sumycreek ~ and staff detendned this was outside of the diacuasion here taiight. Mr. Noran Arndt, Rsoondido, stated the intersection of A with College and the acoees t.hrough the property owned by Mr. Sc:hwllb had been provided for. 'ftlere would be a s ignalised int8raect.ion. Mr. Banche stat ed the Delorm and Barber oonnections have nothing to do with the O'Hara design, it was the desian of the City !h)ineer. 'Ibey are required to make the Barber oonnectioo oa1111enaurate "'-th the third phase. As to Mr. Pl-,agan'e ooncern, there will be a s ignal at the College intersect.loo. "'1ry lftlerpass would be prohtbitive. Mr . Banche stated that the applicant accepted Conditioo 137. MINUTES March 28, 1984 Page 13 Mr. Banche stated there are three options with regard to height: Deny and ~ign for 35 feet: wash your hams and send it to City Council: or say it is a well-oone project and neets criteria with all tr~ffs and grant the conoessioo in height. Deputy City Engineer stated the City Engineer's office had stated they 1«>Uld liJce to have A. street ronnected oo up-but it is oonceptual at this time with ro specific alignnent set. Cannissiooer Schlehuber asked how the Pillsrury property fits into this and staff stated they had contacted them and they did rot want to participate. Access has been provided for that property. The Assistant City Attorney stated the roncern with the specific plan was addressed in a mem:, to the Ccmnission and addressed the issue of the properties en the last page. 'ffle wordir¥1 of the specific plan cnuld be changed to read, if feasible, for phase ten to include the Pillsbury property. It was stated that either 60 feet access oould be set aside ot' dedicate 30 feet of that access and put scme burden oo Pillsrury to deal with the awlicant. 'Itle City Attorney's office said to wait-as the property would rot be landlocked until a later phase. 'ltae Ccnnissioo asked about Mr. Oelorm's problem, and it was agreed the l!R)licant l«>Uld either have to b..ty the land or the City <Dndem it-his land can't be taken for road purposes. Since ro ooe else wished to speak oo this item, the public testinony was roncluded at 10:26 p.m. 'ltae Plannir¥1 Calltlission adopted the following Resolutioo: RESOU1I'ICN 00. 2266, ~Ill; CERI'IFICATICN CF ENVIRHU!Nl'AL IMPACT ~, EIR 83-1, roR A PlnJEX.'T GENERALLY DCLUD!Mi: A 1I'fiE CHAtCE, A 'lDn'ATIVE 19.P AND A ~FIC PI.AN ~ APPRlXDWI'ELY 99 ACRES LOCATED CN 'lHE FASl' SIDE CF EL CAMltl) REAL OORm AND 9:XJ'm CF OOLLEXiE BOOLBVARD. Coanissioner Schlehuber o:nnented the Willdan Report was actequate, rut ronfusing and rot well-written in the EIR. 'ffle Plannir¥1 Caaissioo llR)roved the following Reaolutiona: RBBCUJ'1'ICN 11). 2267, J8DIIUH>!Mi APPIOJAL CF A iiiiMNaATiaw, u.B QWQ; 'IO O (OFFICE AND PRX'BSSICIW,), C-2 (Gl!NERAL COIMEJCIAL), R-1-20,000 AND 0-S (CIIIII SPACE) CN PIQlisR1'Y GENERALLY tocATED CN 'IHE BAST SIDE CF BL CAMlll) REAL, 9Xffll CF (X)[Js:R B'.XJLEVARD. RIS(XlJ'l'IQf 11). 2268, RBCXJN!ND!Mi APPIOJAL CF A PRINiiixiTiaw. DE ClWOl 'IO C-2(Gl!NERAL CIJIIIIER:IAL). ON l'iQ»Bk1't <amMLLY LOCATED CN '1HE EASr SIDE CF BL CAMINO 1¥.AL, !Dfflt u..~ (X)[J.FX'iE IDJLBVARD. ioltx>tis X Rawlins X Schlehuber X X smith X Marcus X Farrow X Lyttletoo X lbltlotis X Rawlins X Schlehuber X smith X Marcus X Farrow X X Lyttletoo X MINUTES PI.ANNIN, a:Mo:SSIOO March 28, 1984 Page 14 Ccmnissioner Farrow stated the existing provisions for @Xceeding the height limit ordinance oo wilding constructioo fail to address every rondi tioo that could arise with topography oo oertah projects. He stated because of the nodel before the Cannissioo oo this project, and following the slope of the land, he found oo problen and was in favor of the 45 feet height. Cannissioner Schlehuber stated he had oo problem with the C-2 with office ooildings and could support c-2 blending into the hillside. ChaiI111!ln Raltlotis agreed with the Cannissioners. Ccmnissioner Schlehuber stated he was ooncerned aoout the PillsbJry property. He stated he did have a problem with Building c. It was roted all Cannissioners had visited the nodel. Staff stated the specific plan shots the oorrect height. The Planning Cannissioo directed staff to prepare awrcpriate revisions and oonditioos for approval and bring it bade for review, inoorporating height as prq:>OSed by the developer and nodificatioos as rec:mmended by the City Attorney; the Cannissioo to read the language to inplement the height ronditioo before it ~ to the City Council. The Planning Cannissioo oontinued the oondominium pernrl.t and the specific plan. 6. Vf-353 -'fflERRiffi -This Item was rontinued. 7. ZC.A-169/ZC-293 -EL o.Mm:> ~ -An c911encftnt to the IJOl\ing ornlnance to inoorporate scenic oorridor studies into the scenic preeervatioo cwerlay zone, to place this zone oo properties with frontage along El Calllino Real, and to adopt •El Cmnino Real Developnent Standards.• The C~eeioo stated this item would be oontinued to the next 11111eting, and Chairman Raltx>tis q,ened the public hearing at 10:46 p.m., to hear arf'J testirony fran persms not able to attend the next meeting. Mr. Joe Levatino, 22121 Malioo Lane, addreeeed the caaissioo, stating hie property is 1,200 feet oorth of Alga oo El Cai.no Real with a 1,700 foot frontage. If the aetbadc is put at 45 feet, he asked what he could oo with the land left, as he would oot be able to ooild oo it. 'ftlia would take lNllY almet three acres of his land. Mr. Levatino stated if this item is continued, he would request it be first oo the Agenda. Staff and the caaiuioo aaaured Mr. Levatino that itet11B rontinued go to the top of the Agenda. Mr. Levatino stated hews oot ootified of this hearir¥;i am staff agreed to determine "'1y his ME was oot oo the aawecr's rolls. lolt>otis X Rawlins X Schlehuber X Smith X Marcus X Farrow X X Lyttletoo X lbltlotis X Rawlins X Sd'llehuber X smith X Marcus X Farrow X X Lyttleton X / MINUTES March 28, 1984 Page 15 M.:-. Jim Frandsen, 500 Camino de Orchida, addressed the Canissioo, stating his prq>erty is adjacent to Mr. Levatino's property and the same t:uyer is interested in both prcperties, and if t..1e language is left as it is now, in Sectioos 1 , 3 and 4, regarding qradinq, it would have a very negative inpact oo any prcposed project en this prcperty. Since no cne else wished to speak en this itetn, the public testim::lny was cx,ncluded at 10:54 p.m. The Planning Camdssien oontinued this item to the next meeting, April 11, with staff to address the problenB en these pieces of prcperty. It was suggested the owners contact staff and discuss this. APPROVAL CF MINUI'ES: '1he Minutes of the March 14, 1984, Meeting were ~roved as presented. ~= By proper notioo, the Meeting of March 28, 1984, was adjourned at 10:56 p.m. Respectfully sutmitted, MICHAEL J. Lam Use Planning Manager Harriett Babbitt Minutes Clerk MEBTDQ; ARE AIS) 'mPED AND ltEPT ~ FILE lffl'IL 'lHE Mn«JTBS ARE APPIUIED. 'loltx>tis X Rawlins X Schlehuber X Smith X Marcus X Farrow X X Lyttleton X 'loltx>tis X Rawlins X Schlehuber X Smith X Marcus X Farrow X X Lyttletoo X