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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1984-09-26; Planning Commission; MinutesMeeting of: Date of Meeting: Time of Meeting: Plaa! of Meeting: CAIL 'IO CHER: MINUTES PLANNIM; CXM[IS.SIOI 5ept.ent)er 26, 1984 7:00 p.m. City Council Ch!nt)ers 'the Meeting was called to order by Olairman Rootx>tis at 7:00 p.m. RllLCALL: Present: Olairman Radx>tis, camdssicners Sduehuber, Smith, L' Heureux, Farrow and Mcf'adjen. Absent: camrl.ssicner Maro.is. Staff Me!lt>ers Present: Bill Hofman, Principal Planner Charles Grillla, Principal Planner Mike Bowes, Assistant Planner Walter Brown, Civil Engineer Mike Bolziniller, Land Use Planning Manager Ex--Officio Memlers Present: Dan Bentschke, Assistant City Attorney Chairman Raltx>tis intrcd.Joed the new Planning ca.issia1er, St.e{ben L'Beureux. Cha!ran ROll!botis called attention to the Planning Ccad.ssioo Prooedires printed era the bade of the Agenda. PLEOOE a ~ was led by Olairman Rontx>tis. CXJll'DllED :EUll.IC ~: 1. ~191 -SCHlY CREEll: SPECIFIC PIAN -A residential speclllc plan m approiliiately 800 acres of ptopert:t located south of future Cm'VlOn Road, east of future College Avenue, oorth of the Sunny Creek biological habitat and west of the Dawaal Eoological Preserve. Bill Bofan, Principal Planner, gave the presentatiai of this itea as contained in the staff report, using transparencies to show the site and the zoning density and a wall chart shoting the density transitiai. Re stated the density transition was fonulated die to oppoeitiai by the neighbors to specific density boundaries. Caaisstoner Smith ~ticned haw staff would be able to insure the last parcel de\ielq,ed would have density available if the total area oould oot exceed two mi.ts to the acre and staff answered lll)St of the land holdings are large and would be large develq;ments. Staff felt they a:iuld control the density, ~r, there was the risk of. ruming out of mits fer the last projects. In anawier to another questia, regarding the density, staff stated this 1111118 the gross density. Chainml Ralbotis expressed oonoem about the elwnaticn of ~tten en the streets, and felt mintenanoe oould be a problem to the City in the future. walter Brown ausweted the streets IOlld be a straight rurb with no gutter- ooncrete and they '°1ld CJ) below the paveEnt surfaoe with a painted edge, and added that straight rurb has been in use in califomia for a l'Ult)er of years. 6) MINUTES Septeatier 26, 1984 Chairman Raltx>tis cpened the public hearing at 7: 10 p.m. and issued the invi tatioo to speak. Mr. Steve Bieri, 11300 SOrento Valley~, t101, rep['esenting Randle> Del Cerro, spoke to the camdssioo en behalf of the Kelly prcperty. Be referred to the oopies of the letters the Ccmnissiooers had received fran the Sippel family and the Kelly family, asking that their prq>erty be excluded fran the planning area. Mr. Bieri also asked for tiJle to respood at the €nd of the public testinaly. Olairmn Raltx>tis stated that if SClle aatter came up that had oot been addressed, he would be given time to respmd. P.!.:. Michael Rider, 9605 Scrantm Road, San Diego, addressed the camissioo, stat~ he did rot feel all the ptcperties within the specific plan area were the Salll!, and shoold be a:insidered differently. Be irlied that pdmarily the specific plan area shoold include only those relating to the Sunny Creek resource. Mr. Rider referred to several wall dlarts showing why the Kelly prq>erty shoold be excluded fran the specific plan boundaries. He stated each of the charts would be basically the same as staff's exhibit. 'ftle five dlarts were explained by hi.a, and he stated that visually the Kelly prq,erty shoold oot be included. As far as traffic, the Kelly traffic will be criented to Canncri Road and in the future other exits, and oo significant UDUnt of Kelly traffic would travel through the Sunny Creek area. Fran a drainage stanqx,int, the primary drainage extends east to the preserve area. flt:lst of the specific plan area drains to that area. Mr. Rider said a smaller ate does oover a portioo of the Kelly prcperty, but if that is followed, the drainage does oot camect to the Sunny Creek trirutary until it is ootside the boundaries. 'ftle Kelly prq>erty has a very light effect oo the drainage. Mr. Rider stated the Kelly property related m::,re to the Canncri Road rorrid::>r than to the specific plan area. In CDOclusioo, Mr. Rider asked that all of the Kelly property be excluded fran the specific plan. He~ a <Xlllpranise had been proposed that the area south of the ridge line which bisects the Kelly pcoper ty be included and the balance of the Kelly land be excluded. 'I.bis offers 1001 protectioo of the issues staff addressed. In answer to a ~tioo from Chairnm Raltx>tis as to why they had ait off the boundary line so atruptly, Mr. Rider stated they did this at the spot where a road was to be built, thinking that the road 1IIOU1.d IIBke a <p:)d boundary line. Mr. Nidt Bancbe, 810 Missioo Avenue, Oceanside, spoke en behalf of O'Hara ptcpertles, stating their project was ~ with a high level of standards and rural ats:lephere. With the project O'Hara is providing, Mr. Banche stated they shool.d have density oonsideratioo, tut they did oot ask for that. Mr. Banche asked for consistency in the density er Mr. O'Hara would want to ~ bade and get his fair share of the density. Nr. Ruuell Grosse, 5850 Sumy Creek Ibid, addressed the Ccaaiasioo, stating his a:inpany and the Mandanna Cotporatioo had reached an agreement for a joint wnture. He said he was basically in favoc of what staff W¥S trying to oo, but he was ooncerned when the plan gets to foot· tmits per acre. Be did not feel this would ll«Xk. MINUTES Septentier 26, 1984 Page 3 COMMISSIONERS Mr. Grosse gave the setbadt di.Jllensicns and the lot size and said it would oot be rural-rut in fact, "°11.d have to be a very small house. Re felt it would be an error to ~ly the rural estate standards to the Kelly prq,erty, and he objected to the m parking a, the streets. Mr. Grosse a:mnented that anyone has a party now and then when all the peq,le cannot park their asrs m your prq>eI ty. Be felt that "°11.d be lmfair to the residents to eliminate all street parking. Re did suggest there be oo 011emight parking-such as between 2 a.m. and 5 a.m. As an alternative, mre offstreet parking could be required, but he felt that was oot feasible. Chairman Raltx>tis asked Mr. Grosse to cament a, the Kelly exclusia,, and he said he was oot ctlP()6ed to that; that he thought it was ootside the ooundaries. Mr. Grosse stated the rurt>er of buildings a, the ground had 110re effect than the nunt>er of dwellings-and he said he would rather see ooe building with two dwellings, than two buildings a, that she lot. At this point, Mr. B:>fman clarified the setbacks, stating there were different provisia,s foc setbacks, depending on the density of the project. Victa Kato, 2004 Subida Terrace, spoke a, behalf of his parents who om 73 acres of land in this area. ne pointed this land oot a, the wall nap and said this is next door to Oceanside, where a large developnent is going in. Be felt this was rot CDDpatible with zero to one en their prq>erly. Also, his parents' property faces Leisure Village, which has a higher density. Mr. Ben cantarini, 905 Laguna Ori ve, representing the cantarini family, spoke to the Comnissioo, stating they have no plans for: their prq>erty and are q:p:lSed to the plan the City is prop:lSing. Since m cne else wished to speak a, this item, the public testillaty was ooncluded at 7: 38 p. m. In a\Slller to query, staff stated the Kato's request did not mtch the land use plan as displayed. 'ftie eastern portion is zero to 1 • 5; the RL area takes in the Mandan:-.a prq>erty and xato property, and the remainder is RIii, zero to 4. Staff's intent was to Eke the Specific Plan ronsistent with the existing General Plan. OOnaissicner Farrow cxaaented it "°11.d be nice to have all the devel.oplent plans at cne time to address the sensitive areas of the preserve, habitat, etc. Be asked staff why the plan ,es needed-because of the sensitivity er the land lM3e er both, and staff answered that the Mandanna tentative mp started the idea to <b a specific plan for: the entire Sunny Creek: area. It was felt this would be a unique area in the City to set l4> a rural estate type of 2loning. 'ftiere was ~itioo by the neighbon to an eriginal draft of the plan. However, at a subeequent City Council lll!!eting, the Council voted 3 to 2 to direct staff to a::mplete the plan md tring it bade to the Planning cannissioo and City Council f<x pmlic hearing. Coall.i.asicner P'arro., expreesed concern for-the other properties affected-such as the Kelly ~y. Be felt it we a mtter of lcpogtcsphy versus the plan. MINUTES Septemler 26, 1984 Page 4 In answer to a questioo regarding the Kato prq>erty and how that relates to this, staff said they felt the graphic that best depicted the acreage was the drainage plan. Fran that plan, you can see the Kato prq>erty drains anrt fran Leisure ij:)rld, and there would be no through traffic to Leisure ~ld. '!be ooly irlpact "°-ild be a visual inpact. camdssiooer Schlehuber asked about excluding the Kelly ptq>etty and staff agreed it could be excluded, rut not where the road theoretically would be. 'Itle natural ridge line would be the logical dividing line. Ccllllllissiooer Schlehuber aqreed with Chairman Raltx>tis about the street and curb and felt Mr. Grosse's point was well-taken about the parking oo the street. Re felt the street should be mde two lanes each 12 feet and 8 feet parking. Ccmnissiooer Schlehuber also felt the 10,000 square foot lot size was too small. Staff stated Mandanna dJes have an awro,ved te.ntati ve map that is ronsistent with th'.'! Sunny Creek Plan. Ccaaissiooer Smith agreed with the relief oo the Kelly prcperty and felt the etreet should allow for sane parking. Camdssiooer McFadden agreed with ?llling the line to the ridge line a, the Kelly pcq>erty and would like to see 32 foot wide streets. She expressed roncern about the Kato pu:perty vieual inpact. Calllissiooer L'Beureux had a problem justifying four dwelling units a, 10,000 square foot lots-that would not be rural estates. He felt there should be flexibility, especially with the tqx:,grap,y and restraints in that area. He could oot support the four unit:8 to an acre. Mike Bolzmilfar stated staff had tried to take this into oonsideratioo, .md that was why the four units was propoeed by the Kelly property-it dJes have an existing 10,000 square foot ID'le. Bowever, if the Kelly pcopetty were rellOV'ed, perhaps that would renove sane of the concerns. 'fflere would be a smaller area, and perhaps ncne of that area IO.lld be suitable for four units per acre. em.d.ssicner L'Beureux cnnented if the Kelly pcq>etty were an:,ved aloog the ridge, the Sunny Creek Plan IO.lld change with reference to density and transitioo and would bea:llle a different propoeal. Olairmn Radx,tis asked staff what directioo Council had given regarding the study l!rea, and staff said Council waa oonoerned that the area not be so small as to oot warrant this type of. anoept. Staff agreed that Kelly Piq>e.t ty had presented valid arguaents---which had oot coae forth until the last week er two. Co.d.saia'ler Farrow agreed there should be parking oo the streets, with a time limitatioo 2:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.a. MINUTES P~ a:MIISSIOO Septe!llber 26, 1984 Page 5 COMMISSIONERS Ccmnissioo return@d this item to staff for further study and l:ring badt October 24, 1984. Directioo to staff to include the Kelly prq>erty to the ridge line ooly; that the streets be wide enough to allow minim.mt par1':ing and designed with proper rurb and gutter: an individual survey oo density; Kato property-zero to 4, with the rest of it to be larger lots oown to cne half acre and sane at cne acre. Staff asked specific directioo as to density and how llllch Kelly pt'q>erty to include. Olairman Raltlotis answered that density shoold relate to topography. Staff said they CDUld define the density based oo tqiography, natural features, etc. 'nle ca.nissiooers agreed they wanted the plan refined and that the 10,000 square foot lot did rot fit this area. Mike Holzmiller stated the lateness of the recent meetings would be discussed at the end of tooight's meeting. ~= Olairman Radx>tis declared a recess at 8:12 p.m. and Camdssioo re-cawened 8: 15 p. m. , with six Conmissiooers present. 2. ZC-308~CT 84-11/CP-282 -CARLSBAD BEACH ~ CUJB -Request or a oooe change, teritatl ve tract nap, and ccndolllinillll permit en 9.4 acres located between carlsbad Boulevard and AT'5F Railroad at Pooto/Anacapa Road. Bill Hofman, Principal Planner, gave the presentatioo as cooWned in the staff report, with a transparency showing the site. 'ttle issue is the City-owned property between Anaoapa Road and Carlsbad Boulevard, with applicant's intent to p!:'OOeSS vacatioo of this pt:operty through Council. Staff is reoomnending a rontinuanoe of this project 1.mtil such time as the City Council ooosiders a vaoatioo of the City-owned property. Assistant City Attorney Bentsdlke stated the Comnissioo cannot ake a decisioo oo this project lD'ltil the City Council decides whether to vacate the property to the applicant. It ws rec:uaended the camd.ssioo take public testim:ny oo this i tell and discusB the project to get the applicant's feelings. Olairmn Radx>tis q>ened the public hearing at 8:19 p.m. and issued the invitation to speak. Mr. Bob Ladwig, Ridt Engineering, representing the applioant, a:ncurrGd with staff's report and r~tioo to rontinue this item. Be stated this was a prooedlral cpestion that hasn't oome l4> before. Mr. Ladwig agreed there should be public input and the applicant' a te&tiJ!IClnY. Be added there would be two buildings, with the me closer to Carlsl:t>ad Boulevard a two-et.oey wilding, arid the cne 1¥ the railroad a three-- story wilding. ~.tie wildings had been switched as r~. Ic:lltlotis Schlehuber L'Beureux Smith Farrow Md'adden MINUTES SepteBt)er 26 , 1 984 Page 6 Mr. Ladwig stated they IOlld use the cpen space in calculating the density and he asked for clarification on <:aldition 33 d. Be gave oopies of an exhibit to the CCllaissuners to show the applicant 16 pt"CpOScU. Be al<;o referred to the fifth line fran the b:>ttal in the same paragraph where it states the width of the pavement be recb::ed to 28 feet-4le felt that IOlld be a problem and wanted the wording cdded, •or as otherwise approved by the City Engineer.• Ccmnissiooer Sdll.ehuber asked at:out the noise fact.or aloog the railroad and Mr. L!lotig answered a noise study had been d:ne and sumitted to staff, and he IOlld suggest a noise oondition be cdded. Mr. Ladwig gave another paper to lll!llb!rs of the ca..i.ssioo for their perusal. COMMISSIONE~ Mr. Geot"ge P.odgers addressed the Camrission asking if the awlicant is going to take density aedit foc the cpen space, wiat will ~ to that cpen spaoe--will it be left a ESS OC' who will mintain. Staff replied the open space will be owned by the appliicant and acme areas will be mintained by the hc:llleomers association and they will be left in their natural state. Since no cne else wished to speak a, this netter, the public testim::riy was ooncluded at 8:25 p.m. Cbairnan Raltlotis asked the Cann:i ss icners to give the applicant scae direction en the project. Ccmmi.ssimer L'Beureux said the a:nfusioo regarding naE of street should be addressed. Be felt the project was not a ple"5ing cne frclll an aesthetic ~int. 'Ibe railroad ooise shoold be addressed, and the fact that the active recreatia, area required people to walJc across a nejor street did not seen to IIBke them relate to the rest of the project. Ccanissiooer Smith stated he saw ooly me rz.~1 oourt, and how rould that be called a racquetball club. Ccali.ssioner Sdll.ehuber ooncurred with 0:-1 ssicner L'Beureux as to the building and the railroad mise. cc-tssiooer ~ expressed <D'loern OYer the cmve and waI ter Brown said it had to be oone that 'fla'J: that a variance request W11S acoaipanying the project. cc-tssimer NcPadden (1.JeStioned whether it "°'1ld be safe. She also felt the project vas too large for the area and the aenities did mt relate to the develqaent. Planning caa.issia, <Dntinued this item until the City Council lakes a decisioo oo the vacation of the City- ONned prq>erty. 3. 1.C-31~ -~ -Request fOC' a 2Dlt: mange frca P-C Rl>-ft aid a Plarviing camdsaioo Deter'llination for: a 2.«-unit apm:tlllent project a, a 21.56 acre parcel located between ca.ino de las Ondas and Buttercup~. eut of Pase::> del Norte. MINUTES Sept.ed:,er 26, 1984 Page 7 Charles Griaa, Principal Planner, gave the presentaticn on this itea as oonWned in the staff report, referencing a ~an&.a given to the ec..dssicriers tmicllt regarding Conditims 16 and 17. On Resolution 2357, Mr. Grima gave ~ies of p,otographs to the caaissiooers (Ncne to the Minutes Clerk) as to how the mrports .:JUld look. 'Ibis was Exhibit R. A tranapm:ency showing the site was used and th'! density bcnul!I would mite 12.1 units per acre with 2« total unite. A wll ap was used to dea:lnstrate the justifioatiat for the density tonus, the rullb!r of aaenitiee, termi.s <XlllrtB, eeYeral p:x>ls and spa areas, trail systa and cpen space. In additiai, the llR)liamt will provide carports, ..trldl are not a requi rement for aputa:nt mit."'. In addition to oth@r amen ... t ies, 25~ would be for aoderate in~ rents at 901 of median inc:rae. 'Die project is in the soutmleSt quadrant of the City~ it is me of the first apartment projects there. Mr. Gria said that b@sides the great l'Ultler of. mElities, the final justificatioo was the low density fer m apartaent project. carw,i ssicner S111 th asked about the 251 mderate i.ncaae rents and how long they would remain and the Assistant City Attorney stated the agn,..eaent had been structured that those mi ts could not be (XX'lverted until the ten years expire. ec.ai.ssioner Smth asked about the drainage fran the project md staff stated it ~ into a detentia, desiltatiat facility, where IDSt of it is caught. 'lbere is a drain through the project. ec-iMioner Smith asked about the haul route fer the •terials, a Conditiai 24 was called to his attentioo. 'ffle haul routes will be cait rolled by the City P.ngineer. OMlinan Rl0llbotis cpened the public hearing at 8:45 p.m. and issued the invitatiat to speak. Nr. Greg Nwille, 701 B Street, suite 845, 5an Diego, upla.ined they were the largest builder of apart:a!nts in the tJnited Statea md will be around after the project 1a built. Be a:wuted the project '°'11.d be ten feet l.Cllff than the surrounding projects. o.inan R0lb)t1a asked about e,ipcxt.ing dirt. llr. Pat O'Dlly, 7750 Bl c:a.t.oo, Dlgineer at the project, •tat.eel tmy vil1 have to ilpcct 25,000 yards of dirt. Be atat.ed be la a N!ltler of the Traffic Safety en-twtiJII and la a,are of the c.:l!llplaints of the neidlnta nNr PMeO dal Nerte. Be said the haul route ta PoinNttia rm the dirt would be a:ad.ng traa the aauth. 'Ille •.cerial ta1te can al.8o be in that 4incticn. lk. O'Dlly abated there are large signs a1 hN0 dal llocte indicating that is not a th.rough truck i::-out:e. *· lrmat Pruett, 929 PuchsiA Lane, Mked about the vat« that 90N &Ml into this --and asked vhy thay wn bailding m apart:aent o::aplex in a flood plain. llr. Pruett al8o eapt ••-' oonoern about the traffic. Nr. ~ RodlJer■, 6749 Rl.waelia c.ourt, JpOke in ewoaitian to the ... change. COMMISSIONERS INUTES Sept.e1t,er 26, 1984 Page 8 Mr. Ray Gable apake to the a::-issiai, stating there would be a drainage probls and he felt the area "°'11.d flooc!-and the natural drainage areas should oot be des~. Mr. Neville respooded to the issues raifled; at the subject of drainage, he stated it "°'11.d be desicped to keep the wter along the flat (rainage. A portiai of the desiltatiai basin has been b.Jilt and a portiai of the aJl'Olit fn. Buttercup Road. As to the density probl•, he added there ms mre space than Pacesetter. Since oo one else wished to speak en this item, the public testislny ms <Dncluded at 9: 00 p. m. Densities were discuued brf the camdssiai and the low inccae units. 'ffle Assistant City Attorney explained the low ~ units M ~ br/ City Council. '!be density lxlnus foE' low ~ is per the Government code arxl oot set br/ the City. co..i.ssialer Saith ms oonoemed about the oaipatibility of this project with the neighbors. 'Ibe aall.neu of the uni ts IIOU.l.d attract a transient ~- Be felt the cirotl.atia, pattern IIOU.l.d be a problem. co..i.ssialer McPadclen supported this project, stating it ws a good i.me of this site. In awwr to a ~tiai regarding the ten-year period fer the low incxae lnita, the Assistant City Attorney stated it is written • ten ye&rs fn. the date of the a(Jl)LOYal of the occupancy permit. co..i.uioner Farrow felt the an,licant had oone his he uoc:k .ell and there is a need foE' apartaents. Be did • I nt about the ?:eC:rMtiat area being at the end of the project instead of in the center. Mike Bolailler stated the City doesn't have a choice in granting a density bolut-the State says if the applicmt ia willing tx:> provide a,cjerate incale bauaing, the City met grant a 251 density lxlnus er proride finmcW incentift& equal to 251 density bclul. In naparwe to a (JJ88tim, ~f stated the recreatiat u. Im bean a c:rmann, but the an,lic.mrt: added the barbeaJa8 md tot lota aid an adllitknal pool area. Staff felt that the tennia llr'MB should be aRrJ frca the cater of tbe project to lllnim.:re the mise and traffic tx:> t:boN areas. Cbahwn aa.l:lotia stated it .. the best apartant pro:,.« that Im ever been befcre the co..i.ssiat, b.Jt be Im • prcbla vitb the CXlllplltibllity. 'ftlo Pl.am.n!I OweiuiQI\ 4P'OM the Nec.Jstive Daclaraticll iuued by tbe Land UN Plmru.ng Manager and a.nw w-292 am Par66. J.IDllx,tJ.a Schlebobff L'lllluE9ull Sllit ~i hrrow ~l X X X X X X X ;. MINUTES Septeatier 26, 1984 Page 9 4. CT 8-4-18/CP-288 -mE ~ -Request for; c!WtcNal of a tentative iiubdlv!slai ap and oona:ainil.W permit to develop eight lnits m the southeast cmner of carlsbad Boulevard and Sequoia Aveiue in the RD-M :zale. Mike Bolfes, Assistant Planner, gave the presentatioo a, this it:ea aa <Dntained in the staff report, using a transparency to llhow the site. Chainmn Raltx>t.is q>enecl t..'1e ?Jblic hearing at 9:23 p.111. aBl issued the invi tatim to speak. Mr. Gi ll Saens, 323 west Court, representing the applicmtt, stated the,, ooncurred with the oonditims. In response to q.,ery, staff referred to Exhibl t E of the packet, Wlich shelfed the set.bad: to be the same as the project. to the north which is no,, being tuilt. Mr. Ryan, 152 Sequoia, addressed the Cormissioo, stating hews rot against the project, tut ws oonoerned about the height of the w.11 and the i.nderground parking. Staff stat:Ad the lnierground parking '°11.d be semi- undergroum. 'flle haul routes were disrussed and the hours the oonatructim workers can be there. 'lbe variance was di.ao1esed also, with the sight distance that '°1ld be inptaved at Sequoia and carlsbad Boulevard. Mr. Bob Truitt, Olirquapin, stated he like the architec"-..ure and felt it should be an asset to the neighboctu.d. Since oo me else wished to speak m this item, the pj:>lic teetia:lny ws a:included at 9 :36 p.m. Chainmn Raltx>tie a::.-ert~ there should be mitigatiat between the adjacent parking and the two foot w11 did not appeu-to be high enough. Re felt the Land Use Plaming tk.-..ger should awrove the bl.oddng of the lights, and the parking should be screened. Pillffling CCWl1Yi.on c114>t0Yed the Negative Declaratiat iaued by the Land tJee Plavling Manager and aoopted the following Reeolutiai: RIBXD1'10f II). 2360, APPK1IDC A '1Bft'ATIVE f:IB>IVISIOf ilKP Id> CDIDIDIItii PBIICIT 'IO IZVBU:P 8 CJa'l'S Cfi o. 3 ACll!IB <:I PRlF&tti 13111'½-fl.Y UlCATID Of 'DIE ~ CXaaR <:I CDUIN> IIU.wAII> Ma> SIQDIA AVIH1!. 8ubject to n!itim of. -11 118 dieolSaed and subject to the cQ,1.oval of. the Land U8e Pundng Manager. Panning CCWl1ui.m qip.:oved the request fer variance CT H-1 l/a'-288. 5. Cf 84---282 -IBAIIWf -Request fer approval of a untiUw v1alai 111p ind oondcainia perllit to deNlGp 12 units ai the aouth side of. Olive Avenue between the ltftB'l llailrca! and Garfield Street in the R1H1 am.. MINUTES SeptE!l'llber 26, 1984 Page 10 COMMISSIONERS Charles Grial, Principal Planner, gave the staff repot"t on this itf!III, using a transparency to show the site. 'ftlis project is at the higher end of the allowed density, with the parlting undergroum, including visitor: parkinq. There is alao extra parlting outside, pdvate balo:nies and extra a.nities. In ans¥er to ec..dscioo questioo about parking, staff reiterated all required parking is uooerground and in additia, there are five extra spaces oosite in frmt of the btilding. Olaiman Ralbotis q>elled the piblic hearing at 9:40 p.m. and issued the invitatioo to speak. Chris Cllristensen, 2802 CArlsbad Boulevard, spoke representing the applicant, stating he was available fc,c questia,s. l'.sry Davis, 236 Olive, addressed the Camrl.ssioo, asking 1thether Olive IO.ll.d be widened, and what .-.CO IIM datioos had been mde for the traffic. waiter Brown explainecl the street inpto.ae..ts as required for the project. Since oo ooe else wished to speak at this ite111, the public testinaty was a:included at 9:45 p.m. eo.nisaicner L'BeurelD: stated there should be mise attenuatia, oonditia, and Olive Street is very narrow, m sidewalks, m street light, large cwerhanging trees-a very dark, rural street. He was o:noerned about a dense project at the end of the street. C,-,issiooer L'Beureux found the btilding unattractive aesthetically and stated he CXJUld mt vote foe it. o:wdMicner Farrow stated it was diffirult to oat.ermine what this project IO.ll.d look like-since it has angles. Be we also oonoerned about the de-.nsity in a rul-de-sac area. Olair:an Raltlotis oonoJrred with cn-tssicner Pm and said the amenities did mt justify the density. !>laming coa.i.aioo cg,coved the Negative Declaratial ~-4Jd by the La,d U8e Planni.r¥j Manager and denied CT 84- 13,,tP-~tS2, baaed a, the cn.ents of the Plaming ca.1.saiooers, partirularly the street being too narrow to handle the traffic cirall.atioo am the density not juatifiea by the -.nitiee. '1be density should be at the lllid point range. Chaitan Rclltx)tia daclared a reoeaa at 9:50 p.a. and C'<We1uial r4HXWlvened at 9:55 p.a., with six Mellbers pnMnt. 6. Cl' 84-25~ ~ BlllPF -Request for -wtov.1 al ~t pl i:ealdential c:1evelqaant an'° acia locatecl 1-diately mrth of Batiquitoe Lagocn, bebleen I-5 aKI the M'ISP Railroad. Oaaiman Rallbot.ia stated he had visited the site with the dwelq,er a hi.a tept eaentati ve. MINUTES Septent,er 26, 1984 Page 11 Bill Boman, Principal Planner, gave the presentatioo era this ita !IS <Dntained in the staff report, using a wall chart to shaw the project. Be referred to the .. ,nrda giving the revised an:Utioos. If Avenida Encinas were a:nstruct.ed to secondary arterial st:.mmrds, the imits a:iuld be aJnStruct.ed befcre the street ws pit in. As a a:>llectcc, the standards 110Ul.d not aet the atl~ policy and the street 110Ul.d have to be pit in first. Staff believes a secondary arterial is not neoeuary at the present time, and I'l:COIIIDblds that ocniltioo be IDlified to provide f<r a secondary arterial right~f-.ey, but require atly a a:>llect.cx street an1:rto-curb width, with a sea1rity oond to increase the size of the atreet to secondary if it is deterllined to be necessary. c:mditioo 29 should be changed to: Land foc all public streets and eu nt-s shown oo the tentative 11111P er required by these cx:inditioos shall be dedicated oo the final imp and shall be granted to City free and clear of. all liens and enOJlll:ranoes. ec-1.ssiooer Mcf1~ questiooed the width of the tridge and Walter Brown stated it 110Ul.d be aJnStructed to collect.er street widths, and if the seoondaey arterial through th.t,t area is <Dl'ltinued, the developer 110Ul.d have to widen the tridge. Be 110Ul.d have to oond to sea:in&lcy arterial streets throughout th'2 entire length. Calllisaiooer Mcf111dden stated it 110Ul.d be wiser to t:u!.ld to aecx:ndary standards at the begi.Ming. Walter Brown stated the developer was being required to bend for secondary arterial street all the wtrf through the project and to build a through street, including the bridr;ie, to a:>llector street st:.mmrds. '!he City llOll.d hr.re the q,ticn at a later date to oo what Council directed. If a eeoondary arterial is decided l.l)O'l",, tlle developer will oo that er the City 110Ul.d mve at the band. If Council decides it &:>es not "8nt a secondary arterial, then the applicant is not cxadtted to that. It ws deteminad that decisiat 110Ul.d be aide after the applicmt had amitted a aster plan fer the area and a traffic malyt;Le had been mde. ea-1 eaiawr L 'Beurem itquired about the road cx:nat:ructicll in i:elatiat to the phasing and Walter Brown uplained the internal. atJ:eeta IIOUl.d hllft to be Liptoved u part of pt._. Cft!, • well • a cx,llect.cr street to Carlabal! Boulevard. 0Mw:an RCllbot.is q:>ened the public hearing at 10: 11 p.L ~ i.ea-5 the .lnvitaticn to speak. 11r.Danald r. Sllllia, the 11A>licmt, m:!ressed the o:e-1Micn, giving the history of the cmpmy and the quality cf their project. Be stated they did oot incluc!e the open apace in detemi.nio:J the density of tbe project. llr. 81:im Paul, 101 Weat Broac1way, 8an Diego, the Ardlitect., pointed aut the features of the project and •t:ated they had been ocnoerned with the envltawrt:Al 4IICC,ml to the project. Be med the elevaticn 111p to abaw the variety of lmita and the diversity in the pmject. ® 11 ' ' MINUTES Septellber 26, 1984 Page 12 In answer to Cc.-dssim (Jlestiai regarding I-5 noise attenuatioo, he stated they '°11.d install a 6-foot bl.odt vall and will t.me dirt ben&. A discussioo followed about the berm l'IMr Lakeshcre Gardens, lilhich acts as a sound att.enuatim fer I-5. Pat O'Dl!ly stated that berm would not be disturbed fer a>llectO[' er se<Dndary arterial standards. Mr. Pat O'Dl!ly stated an alternative '°11.d be to wild a seoondary arterial part of the Vl!rf and oould be exparded later. Chairmn Rmlbotis suggested the appliamt be allowed to be innovative as far as sound attenuatia, remedies. It vu Mked whether this vas a oonditiai, and staff stated this oonditiai had been mdified subject to the ~ of the Land Use Planning Manager. Mr. Bir• Boekin, 7307 San Luis, President of Lakeshcre Gardens ~rs Associatiai, spoke, representing the Bolleowners. He stated they generally approYe of the 6-is plan, wt they are CJJncerned with the exten,;iiai of Av,.~da Encinas. 'Ibey '°11.d pr-efer it end in a rul- de-$de at the eouth md of the park with restricted use. However, the City has insisted it be all the Wlrf, aM he added they did mt want that berm renoved that serves as a sound barrier. He stated if that =em were raoved, the City '°11.d either replaoE; it er be sued. Walter BrcMI answered the width of 84 feet fcr a seoondary arterial '°11.d not distffi.--b that benn. Chairmn R.Ollb:>tis stated if that berm were renoved, then a wll should be wilt. Nr. Jon Bri.9911 agreed with Mr. Boekin regarding i..'-e nawal of the bera. He addressed the issue of the streets, stating they IOlld like to wild to a>llector status and oonstruct the interier streets-and feel there will be m need fer anything a:re than a oollect:cr street. 'l'he issue is at the tridge-and they would haw to wild to seo:niary standards at this point. The piasing was discussed at this point, and the fact again stated that a a:>llector street IOlld not aeet the all~ policy. Nr. O'Dey felt the City ws oovered at this issue. Since no me else wiabed to apeak a, this itea, the public bearing vaa ~ at 10:35 p.■• o..1uimar Parrow stated the ally iasue vas the foor- laii.. higbllay. Be felt they llhould allO'.f a a:>llector stn.t and t:and far the ~t, including the tridge. '1'be City CXJUld alway& call the bond. Chef~ 1a1b0Ua 1:eiterated that if the bem is tamMd by Laaabcre Garderw, that a wll of equal value lhould replace that ber■• Plaming o-ataic:Jn appcoved the Negative Declaraticm i...s by the Lal Use Plaming Nm~ and approved the following Reeol.utiau RBJIDflm II>. 23S2, ICXNBEDC APPlllVAL A 600-<liIT IU&rlvl tiuitt iU 1t1E PLNH1> tliIT ~ C5 Ha&it Gll.-l.t,Y IDCM!D Dll!DIA'l'!LY 11:eB ~ IM'IQ011DB i'..NIDI, IEIWWW I-5 NE 'IB! ltNBP MILKla\D. . ' lalboU.a Sc:hlehuber L'a.reuz 8111.th Farrow Mc:hMen @ MINUTES PtMNIR; <DMISSI<JI Septelllber 26, 1984 Page 13 c.cnlltioo 15 modified to basically provide sound attenuatioo will be accx:11Plished to a level of 45 IE in art/ inhabitable roan fralting the ~. Cooditioo 29 revised per staff lll!!IOranclml. c.cnlltioo 34 revised t.o indicate umer Phase I sutr paragraph 8, deleted and replaoed, and Phase II, C deleted. c.cnlition 34 be re-written to provide that AveniJa Encina be designed and bonded to~ arterial statua through the entire ownership, including the bridge across the railroad and the oonnectioo to Carl.st.! Boulevard. At Phase I , ally need to ruild the street at oollectcr street standards to the subdivis!.oo fraa the Smith/Jewett ptopetty. At Phase II, that the street be b.lilt through to Carlsbad Boulevard as a collector ex as a secaldary, if determined needed by the City 0:luncil. If the berm is taoved, it will be replaced with equal ex better sound attenuatioo. The base of the roadway am be installed to secaldary arterial standards, and finished to oollectcc size. 7. CT 84-26/CP-291 -GMRPIEl'.D S'l'BEE"I' ax:a; -Request for appt0val of a tentative tract mp and a:indomi.nim perait to develq> 15 lmita al the east aide of Garfield Street, between Chirquapin Avenue and Date Avenue. Charles Grillla, Principal Planner, gaye the pc-esentatioo as <Dntained in the staff report, using a transparency to show the site. Olairan Raltx>tis q,ened the public hearing at 10:44 p.a. and issued the invitatioo to speak. Mr. Cllarlea Rawe, 3083 Ocean Street, addressed the C0uncll stating the engineer allowed the tentative~ to ~zpin and as the final ap was to be finalized this ws found out. Since no cne else w1ahed to speak al this •tter, the pmllc t.-tia:lly was a:inclooed at 10:45 p.a. Plaining eo-issioo acq,ted the following Resolution: RIIIXDflCII ID. 2353, ICDIIH)DE APl'lOTAio at A 'fl!N'J7d'IVI lfiilict ilP J11S dWilu:kml Pl!Rl[T PCal. 15 CIIITS a. PiDPER1 i 71VN!,Y tO>TID <JI '!Ill B'AS'l" SIDE a, GARP'IBW 8l'RBB'l' BB'1'mm CBlli()lvIN AVPKJE 1R> lWl'B AVl!RJB. 8. IC-31~256 -C1'1'Y at CMUIW> -Request fee a S0l!Je diinJe L< to 0-S lei 288 acres and a ccnlitianal UN pemit fee a Police Firing a-. al_.. .18 acre aita wit.bin the 288 acne ..tudl miiprise the fl.ltuRllacarioCanymParlt. Nila llcllMa, Auiatmt PlAnner, gave the pceeentatio.l at thia it.a • CXllltained in the staff repxt, 1.aing a tnmparmcy to lhaw the aite. lamotia X Sdll.etd:,ar X L'Beu:..ct~ X Sid.th X X Farrow X Nchdden X MINUTES ~ CDMISSICN Septalber 26, 1984 Page 14 COlaissiooer Smith inquired if a golf oourse were to be built there, lllhat would happen sld staff said it is a COP and would be reviewed every year. Chairmn Ramotis q>ened the public hearing at 10:48 p.a. sld issued the invitatioo to speak. Lt. Metcalf of. the Police Department st.ated the firing range is badly needed. Since no a,e else wished to speak a1 this item, the public testia:rly was ooncl.uded at 10:50 p.m. Pl.armin3 cc..issia1 approved the Negative Declaratioo issued by the Land Use Plarutl.ng Manager and aoopted the following Reaolutioo: RPSXDl'IClf ID. 2354, w.aMBi)n«:J APPR1J'AL CJ? A 21'.:tiE CBMIZ PKII Ir<:, LIMITED Cilrl'IOL, '10 CrS, CP9i SPACE, Clf PRPBkrt Gl!NERALLY I.OCA'l'ED CN 'lHE CITY~ FCRl'ICN OP 'DIE PlmIRB NM:ARIO ~ PARK. DISCtl3SIClf I'l'IMS: 9. S[F 83-10(A -PINE AV!KJE APARDmf1' CXMPLEX - Request fer ar. la!!lidiiietit to an appraved site developllent plan to redesign sld lower the density a1 an a('proYed apart:aent project at 336 and 372 Pine Avenue. COlaissioner Schlehuber stated he would abstain frca disaiaaioo sld vote oo this item. Charles Grila, Principal Planner, gave the presentatioo on this ital • cx,ntained in the staff report, using a tranapanncy to show the site. '!be elevatioo change was shown aa a Nllll chart sld me Iii.nor chang@ in the conditions was referred to en a lll!a)l"ard,a given lX> the Cmaissioners. Be referred to Exhibit C, whi dl we giwn to the O:wdsaioners. Mr. John Paut:ach stated he wmted oonditien 16 modified by ai!aing the .a:d "wood• following the lG:d •stucco•. llal.ter lmM1 diac:uaed the applicant's prq>oeal to pmride a Jomh~ ._ en the street frontage, sld •tat.ed that staff felt the ainte.,anoe, sweeping sld parking elillinated, the di.sact9antages outweighed the advantages. Owlrl• Grha stated too oondition regarding the wll ataud • ml.id wll • the nei<#lbX on that side wa.. CCJIIOUMd about people uaing his trash barrels. Diamaicn about the wll deterllined there was no abjecticn to a .:>od cmbination fence, with a view- otamring wll aa the RXthem sld wstern sides. Plaming ca-tMton 491oved the Notice of. Prior:- 0allplianae ._ by the LMd tJae Plaming Manager sld ld0pted the fol.lowinrj Reeolution: ~ -,. 2359, APPRJIIDI; A SI'l'B l:ZYBiaiM!NT PLAN a 11 11>. ti b-1 o<A> , m BB:l!Qf Mm I!IIBR '!BB ruum m, • APIIRJVl!I> APAR'1'IBft' PIOJJa' CB wi J ill 11,Y tDCM'l!I> 'la 336 AIE 372 PIRB AVIRJE. lbdx>tis Sduehuber L'Beureux Saith Farrow Mcf'a63eri ® X X X X X X X MINUTES PINaQK; CIMIISSIOi Septaber 26, 1984 Page 15 10. SlP 80-11(8) -WA fDJP AtD!RSEN -Request fer an aaeu1t11111ent to an clR)tuved mlti-use site develq:aent plan to allow crnstructioo of. a visitor tourist center building between I-5 and Paseo del Norte, ialediately north of. Pea Soup Andersen's llt:>tel in the C-T-Q zcne. Chairan Rallx>tis stated hi! 1«lllld participate in this di.J!cusaion. eo-1ssimer L'Beureux said hi! 1«lllld abstain m:a the disolssioo and voting. Bill Bofan, Principal Planner, gave the report as CXllWned in the staff report, using a transparency to show the site. The rw of. •Pea Soup 1111y• was mt apptuved and 1111St 111eet the street nae policy. The stre@t is proposed as a piblic street because tourist inforation will be given oot there, Sid that is a ?,lblic service. c:a.d.ssimer Mcf'adden wanted this to be conditicned to be a ?Jblic street oontingent lp'.ln the Olalltler of. Ccmneroe leasing the site: to revert bade to a pdvate street should the Olaber mt use as a tourist inforatioo oenter. Cllainmn Rclllbotis stated it is mt an autcaatic reveraioo to a private street. In wr to C~ssioo questioo as to a proper naae, etaff stated it ~d be a falllous lllllllle, and Andersen would qualify. Street MRS are mt ~ bf the Cawd BB lat, but bf staff. Planning o:w-1sst.on 44>10\led the Negative Declaratioo issued bf the Lcld Ose Planning Manager and aoopted the following Reaolutioo: RIBXD1"ICB !I). 2351, APPKWDC A SI'l'E IEVEIDAmft' PIAN MINZBff '10 a:iiiriix.T A VISI'IOR '100RIS'I' cmrER EIJIIDDC Clf HOfJdi GllllD&Jl,Y IDCAm> BE1iiEEN I-5 AR> ~ IEL IKRrE DIMBDINrELY NJRl'II Cl' 'I!IB WA fDJP ~ ICl'm.. Subject to additimal oonditioo that Calllission 1«lUld not ~ le<lWt.'dSatioo m Stre@t nae. oa..i•ion CIUld ate a auggestion if this street not ua9I! for public purpcme, that Council <XlllSider aking the et:reet private. 11. S'mll>VARIMCB (WIIIAD)SfREB'l') Plamng co-i•t.cn granted the request fer standard varianae at 3341 Venedo Str.t, Lot 481 of La Coeta Vale, ~t No. 3, ~ requested staff to tring bade doowents acccrdingly. CIIUGI ~, la'1'DC TIMB: llib IIOlailler npart:.ed, aa the eo-1ssioo .ted hia to do at the 1.-t aeting, that Deaign Review Board CX>Uld at.art at StOO p.11., aaking a atarting tiae of 6:00 p.L fer Plaming co-iuim a pouibility. laltx,tis X Schlehuber X X L'Beureuz X Saith X Parrow ·~ ~adden X lalb:>tis ]( Sc:blebilber X I L'Beuretnr I Slllitb I Parrow I Mc:f'aMen I MINUTES PIAllt[II; CXNIISSIOf Septalber 26, 198.t Page 16 Planning camdssia, changed the meting time to 6:00 p.a. for: future aeeti.ngs, starting with the October 10, 198.t aeeting. 'ftle Mi.BJtel!I of August 22, 1984, and Septeat,er 12, 1984, were carried over to the next Eeting. By~ mtia,, the meeting of Septeli)er 26, 1984, ws adjourned at; 11: 15 p.111. RINpectfully aJtait~, MID lllLZMII.UR Land Oee Plaming Manager Barrlett Babbitt Mimtee Clerk MBB'l'llUi ARB A1B) 'mP8D AND mP'l' Of FILE Clfi'IL 'IBE MDUMS ARE~- lbltx>tis Schlehuber L'Beuret.tx Saith Farrow Md'adden @