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June 12, 1985
6:00 P.1'1 .
Cit COUnc 1 l 0-..arnber s
CALL TO ORDER: 1'le meet 1ng ..as cal led to order by
vice-<hilrman Sri :ehuber in 6 :00 p.m.
ROLL O.U.:
Present: v1c~1r:man Schlehuber, CO'lln1ss1oners
l't:'Fadden, Sn 1th, Hall , Ranbot 1 s, Marc us and
Schlehuber
l\bsent: None.
Staff 1-t'mbers Present:
Olarles Gr1.1tm, Prln::-lpal Planner
Klice ~s, Associate Planner
Dan HeOtschke, Ass 1st.ant City Attorney
l'tsrk Steyaert, Par k Planner
Pinx;E OF A.L.1.,&;!ElCE was la:l by v1ce-Oia1rman Schlehuber.
Vi C'e'-O)a 1 cman Sehl ehuber expl a 1 ned that the cha I onansh 1 p
was vacant and therefore the me-nberG were required to vote
for a new cha i cman for the rena i rder of the year .
A mot ion was passed el ecu r.:; V tee-Ola 1 anan Sehl ehuber as
Chlticman of the Planning cann1ss1on for the rena1rder of
':he year.
A llX>t100 was passed ele::ti03 Ctmniss1oner Marcus as Vlce-
Qlaionan of the Planning O;Jrmiss1on for the rema1rder of
the year .
OloiDDl:ln S:hlehuber ca.I.led ottent100 to the Planning
O:mniaaioo Prooedures being show, on the screen and a.sic.er:!
the aooienoe to take a ~ minutes to read then.
l. REPORT Cl fflE CITIZDl.5 CXH'II'l"I'EE f'OR REVIDI CK fflE
LAID OS! PLW -camlttee presentatioo only. Planning
o:malulon d illCUSlli on to be cont i nued to spec 1 al meet ing
on ~ 19, 1985.
PreNnt:at 10011 11ere made by various me:nber s of the Cit i zena
O:Jm.ittee, Laro oae Element Aeviev, Olrlsbad General Plan,
1985, regarolng findings made during their di8CUS8ions, as
Schlehuber • l't:'F'adden X
9111th X X
Ha.ll X
Ra:nbot 1S •
1'1'r c-...is • L'Heureux X
Schlehtber X
It P'adden • 9Dith X
Hall ll
Ranbotis X ll
Marcus ll
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con ta 1..-:l in the Rep:>rt of the Cit 1 zens Camn t tee for the
i:ev 1-of the Lan:! ose Element of the car 1 sbad Oener al
Plan, July 198S an::! the Collateral Report.
Jeroos Gaiser, Chaicnan of the C1 u z:ens O::mnlttee,
di9CUS88:l the backgrourd of the Catm1 ttee Report and
indicated that mirority findings were 1rclooed as wel l as
majority f1n::!ings. ~. Q11ser allLXled to the s1:re of the
group and made several recamedat ions for future
ca1111ittees.
Clau:hs ~eoelsJo discussed the Col lateral ?.eix>rt and
a:aphasiz:ed that citizens input was II key factor If'
preparing their report. She 1nd1c11ta:l the report
highlighted issues am concerns th.o!t arose during the
O::mnittee's discussions that did oot f n into t.he foonat
but warranted re-vi-, an:i continued to explain why this
was the case . She d I scussed the s 1 x at tachnen t.s to the
Collateral Report an:! mentioned the Omulttee' s
recaw.edat ions for each of the I te:\s.
E:r1c Larson, Vice-Olaicnan of the CXmD1 t t ee, outl 1ned the
over all fl nd ing s an:! reconnei id a tl ons .:> t the Ctmn i t tee and
stated that the o:mn.i ttee was not presenting a cauplete
revision to the Lard use Element but ...as 1Mk1ng spec!f1c
suggest ions. He l 1sted the suogestions that the Ccnmi ttee
awe an:l stated that the Caw.1ttee was reccmnerrling
changes in status quo tor nine spec1f1c areas of the Lan:!
IJse El onen t .
Anthony Skotnick 1 presented the topics of land
classifications, density, buildout flOtU!at1on, timing,
in:lpacts of grovth arid env 1 romiental protect ion. He
indicated that growth becane a major issue. He explained
that certain dens! ty chan.jes were recarmeroed by the
Co:lmittee aro that buildup of population was discussed at
great length.
Joe Gallagher addresoed the issue of open ~ am
sumuized the CCl!lllittee's findings on the subject. In
.lddition, Hr. Gallagher also discusSErl the issues of
agriculture, park.a, camierc ial, industry, redevelopnent
an::! explained the Cl:mni ttee' s recamen::!ot ions for each of
the itans.
11!!.rgaret Brownley discus:sed the last six items which
incl wed special treatment areas, parking, architectural
reviev, existing master plans, desires and concerns ot the
pn9ent citiziens am the time constraints.
A motion '1llUi peaaed cont inui ~ the ?Jhl ic hearing on
Itm U l.lltil June 19, l98S.
l'tilte ftOlmHler, Lam oae Planning i.tnager, adviSErl the
au:Hence that oopies of the repot t were available at the
front of the Olaaib!rs.
9:hlehuber I
l't:Paalen I
Snith I
Kall I
R:lltx>tis I I
'11U:CUII I
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Chai = 9::-hlehuber declared a recess at 6 :40 p..m., and
the o:nmi as i on re-convened at 6 : 55 p ..m •
2. CT BS-6/P{D-80 ~ SOO'nlWEST -Request tor a 791
t.nit tentative tract map an:! planned unit developnent on
lll acres i n neighborhoods SW-1, 2, 3 and 4 of the La
O)sta Master Plan, north of t.he intersection of Rancho
santa ~ ~ and 01 iv~in Road 1n the P-C zone.
Olllirman 9::-hlehuber referred to a letter tran the Clty
Traffic Eng i neer &e1,: to the oaon Corporation am
mentioned the posaibi l l ty of continuin, this it.en unti l
July 10th. tte suted that r»on had tnd 1cated that they
had a project caoin, ~ at that date which would fit wel l
with this i t.en.
Michael Ryan, Vi~ President, DaOn Corporat100, mentioned
that it was his understand i n, that s taff had cane ~ with
cooditions of approval am that progress -s made since
the staff report was issued. He indicated he would l ilce
to 1110'1/e forward, d 1scuss the proj ect that evening, arr:l
then have M opportt.nity to talk wlth staff to develop
cax!itiona of ~oval to satisfy Courcil Pol icy~-7872
ard traffic concerns.
Ovsi rman S::hlehuber stated that the con:litions were not
really worlced oot yet and Camiasioner Snith mentioned
that he d id not see the point of proceeding at that time.
Owlirman a:hlehli>er said that the con:h ticos could
probably be worlced out but now they were in l i.nbo and
iooicated that one comition cane ~ durin, the recess.
Mike Howes, Asaociate Planner, pointed out that staff
needed 9011111! ti.me to develop other coa:htiona. tte said it
_. really too premoture to diacuaa the item that evenir-&3
ainoe the o:nmiaaion would be covezin, the same comitiona
at the later date.
Michael Ryan informed the CJmission that in view of
staff'• camenta, Dl!lon would yield and cane back in July.
OlaiDllllll 8C:hlebuber asked i f there was an}Qle prnent who
willbaS to apea)t on thia i tma but could not return on July
10th. e.> cne wi~ to speak.
A a:,tioo.,.. i:aued oontinuing Item t2 until July 10,
1.985.
3. er 8►9/UDP 9►1 -VISl'A SMl1'A P'E (AREA •a-) -
..,:,_t for • 103 lot tentative t:nct: map Gld Lo Ooeta
dwel.0plmlt s:-mit t'ot Yeighborhood SB-19 of the La ())eta
lllater Plan, located at the aouthliest corner of the cal le
Bucel.oaa Md Calle 1icervo intersa:ti0r1 in the P-C zone.
SChlel'Ulet a
Pl::Plddsl a
Kall a
Saith a a
Acllbotia a
Mlrcus Jt
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Chau:man Scl ,let..11:>ez announced that t h is I tan was also
affected by the l etter frmi the Erq1neer mg OE,partmt,nt and
asked I f t.hey w1 shed to cont I nue the I ta:n unt I l July 10th.
Ruasell Pad1a, 3lS2 Redlull Avenue, Cosui Mesa,
represented Hanes by Polygon an:l stated that they would
accept the Slt~tlon.
Lh.,, tman Sc.>u ehube r asltea I f there was <l!lyone present who
wished to speak on this 1 ten but could not re turn on July
10th. No one wished to speak.
A motion was p.:issed coou nu1ng i tEm I 3 unll l July 10 ,
l98S.
4. EIR 8._S/OJP...26S -CITY OF CARLS8AO -Request for
cert1fication o( an Envirorrnental Impact RepOrt <snd
approval o! a cond 1 t 1onal use perm1 t {01 ~ 28 acre
camrun1ty park 1n the southeast poruon or the La Cosu1
Naster Plan area.
1'1i!rk St:eyaert, Park Pla nner, gave the presentation on tl'l1s
iten as contained 1n the !lta!f report. He explained t_hat
the EIR review addressed the or1g1nal plon an:! that a ~
pl an had been developed s I nee that t IJII('. He l 1 s ted sane
0 f the changes ard al SO Ind lea ted that the Resol ut l on
should be changed !ran • ,ecu,menilng ceru ! 1cat 100• to
•certifying• the Envirormental ~ct Report.
Cha icnan Schlehuber opened the publ 1c hear 1ng at 7: 10 p.Ll.
an1 issued the 1 nv I tat ion to speak • S 1nce no one w1 shed
to speak on this l tan, the public hearing was closed.
O:m111 aai oner Rallbot Is &tJI ted that he thou::J ht the EI R was
extrmie.ly -11 done ard thllt he liked the secorrl plan
better.
O:mmiaa1oner 9111th asked If the ecmn1ss1on was approvu-,:;
the IUR only or the ClJP arrl Ola ltman Schlehuber repl led
that they were apprOVil'XJ both.
n. Planrung cmm1as1on adopted the following Resolutions:
RISCLln'I CII I«>. 2 4 5 l CERT! f"i I N:i DIVI IOlmfI'N. I HPAC!'
R!POR'I', El R 8'-5, POR A CXH> I Tl CtiW.. USE PEJlH.I T FOR fflE
DEVZLOFKDft' OP A CDMJNITY PAR!{.
DSam'ICII Y:>. 2452 APPlOTIN::i A CXH>ITI~ USE PERMIT TO
CDlffl1JCT A 28 M:RE cntt.lNI TY PAR!{ ~ PIOPERTY G"DIERAILY
LOCATID A HM.F ,,UL! SClmi OP LA OlSTA AVDIJE NI'.> IWOI'.)
SWl"A FE IDAO.
Dlfl:DSSICII 1'!91;
5. SOP 85-4 -8rNCER -~t for approval of a site
dlrvel~t plan to develop a dent.al of! ice building on
the 80Uth aide of C..U Florea Ori ve on the east a Ide of the
1-5 off rmp in the RP-<) zone.
Schlehuber
1-t::f'adden
Hall
Snith
RO'lt>ot IS
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I.' Heureux
9:hletalber
~Fadden
911.ith
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Rmbotia
111lrc:ua
L'Heurewi
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Hlke Howes, Assoc late Planner, gave th<e presentat 100 on
this Item as C?Otall'led Ln the staff report , using a
transparen:y to shOlt the s1 te and wall lllaps to show tht,
proposed proJect. He stated that tho, pro)ect was
ccmpatible with other uses 1n the a rea dn:l discussed tile
revision of COndltlOO t 32 wtuch would oot go into effect
until offices are developed at a future date.
Cmm i ss i onet 9nl th stated that he was cont used dbout
da::eSS on Pio Pico and Mlke HOwes e xplained, pointing to
the traMparerry, that the appl 1cant needEd to work w1 u,
other propertie s for access to La5 F lor es.
Don Golanan, 3604 4th Avenue, San Diego, displayed a model
of the project and requested a change fran a six foot
masooary wall to a su foot redwocx:l fence s1~ this was
to be a tanpOr.sry structure .
Mlke Howes in::l icate:l that d redwood fence would be
agreeable to stat f.
Camnss1oner 9111th mentioned h1s concerns about parking,
and asked ho-., many Employees would be working there. MI.
Golanan replied that there would be f ive elll>loya-s.
Q::moissiooer Marcus aske:l for clar If 1ait1on regard 1ng the
model and the elevation on tne board since they appeared
to be different . Hr . Golanan repl 1ed that the model was
more accurate.
Comnissioner !'l:Faaien askad about busi ness hours s1~
there were residences across the street, and Kr. Goleman
replied that hours were 8-6 four days a "'8ek, and 8-3 on
Friday.
Comnisa1oner Rallbotls expressed tus correrns regarding
CXlllp,ltibil i ty of the architecture 1n the a.tea, pornting
out that he felt it was a camierc1al building tor a
residential a..rea. l'lr. Golanan r esponded and said that he
urderstood the camtsa1oner • s co~rna but felt the area
wa in a transitional stage. He also in:Hcated hia client
did oot wish the building to look like a house.
o:-iuioner Rallbotis explained that they vill not l08e
houaea OD Lu Florea since they are in a residential zone
and therefore be hoped to -aamethi03 more compatible.
He ~tioned that he "°'1ld have no problem with the
building if it w.re on a ccm.u-c1ally Z00ed street .
o-.iuioou ~ IIBlti ODed that she d idn't tlunlt thi s
wa in the purvi-of the camuaaion.
o-.iuioner L'lteureux ooa:urred vith Ccmniast oner
a:abotu anJ stated that while the neighborhood -.s in
tranait.ioo, it "10Uld t4lte a l°":J ti.me. He pointed out
that the ar• wa rredan!!lAMJ.y a single fa:Dily
migbborbood and that he wa al.a coooerned about traff 1c
c:in::ulati011 ao cloa to the fr-y 41'li the bridge. tte
ODOCluded that he could not make the finding that the
develcs-it WU o:apetible to the neighborhood.
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CQlmiss1oner MMcus mentioned she l 1lced the proJect and
had oo problEl!l ..,1th the fact that the area was not going
to stay single f-ily. She expressed her belief that
oot.hing would ever change if a:npstibility was applied a t
this point, ard that ln long range plannhg the project
wa.s expected to be ccmpat1ble with otoor businesses.
caim1ss1oner Ral:t>otls referred to staff's f1nd1ngs and
stated that he could not agree ..,1th then.
CXmniss1oner McFadden said that she didn't se.: .t oemg
different fran other proJects that were approved. She
suted that she telt It was not within the purv1e.. of the
O;mniss1on and mentloned that tile concerns with t.raff1c
see:ued to have been m1t1gated.
Chaionan Schlehuber ment 1oned he ...ould vote for 1 t but
indicated 1t was a good ex511ple .,t-,ere an Arch1tectural
Rev l -Board would f i t .
'Ihe Planning Camuss1on approved the Nega tive Declaration is.suoo by the L,an:i Use Planning Manager and adopted the
following ReSOlution:
RES:UJTIOO IIO. 2450 APP!Vv'IIG A SITE Df.VELOPt1DIT PLAN IO. as-,, ro ~ A DDITAL OFFICE EIJILDI~ 00 PR.)f'ERT(
GDiERAU.Y LOCATW 00 nil: ~ SIDE Of LAS FU:lRE.5 DRIVE 00
fflB EASI' SrDE: Of' ffl!: 1-5 OPY-AAK'.
With the following chan;1es:
l'tldify oon:Ht1on t32 tn accordance with the me:notan:!I.Jll of
June 12 , 198 5 fran the Lan:i Use Planning Kanager to the
Planning camiission.
Modify condition H3 to change "6 foot high masonary wall"
to "6 foot high redwood fence•.
6. CUP-255 -VILLAS DE CARLSBAD -A professional care
facility, located beti.leerl LaquM Drive and !Cnowles Avenue,
.est of 1-5.
Owlrles Grillln., Principal Planner, gave the presentation on
thia intot111at.ion i t.u a.a contained in the staff report,
~ing a trana:parenc-1 to show the site and a wall map to
llhow the propoaed project. He explained that this project
wa approved by the Planning Cmmisaion in l'ebruary and
that the a'9licant visha:l to make four 111inor changee. tte
stated that staff -ooncerned about change nuiber three
in lllhich the appl ic::ant '8Dted to e.l imi na ti! the balconies
00 9IICh building elevation that taced the freeway and
uplaioed hia e:occerns in detail.
0:JDisaiooer 9111th asked if the Planning CODiss1on could
add a 00Cldition oo this project and O\aiDIWI SChletllber
reapomed tbey could not.
cx:-iuioner Pl:::Faddeo asked if the Fire Oep,srtlllent
appcove:S the ramoval of the walway and Olarles Grum
arwwred that they had.
Larry Sillman, 10671 RDae.l le St. , San Diego, architect ,
uplau.:S that a 00Cldition of approval (t ll) reqlired the
Schlehuber X
lt:;Fl,dden X
9111th X X
Hall X
RallbotlS X
K3rcus X
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appl icant to have an acoust 1cal survey done on the 111 te.
lte refezrai to the handouts ..tlich irdicated the var ,ous
decibel levels ancl p:iin,_ed out that a legal re-qui renent
existed limiting it to a 60 decibel level. Hr. Sill.can
stated that changes were made as a result of the survey
and in:licated that they wanted to lteep the recreational
areas quiet. He referroo to discussions he had w1 th the
COunty regarding this issue,
w. Kajor Chance, 8 & c , San Diego, represented rncane
Property Group and spoke on the operation.al s ide of the
developnent as 1t rela ted to the balconies. Hr, Chance
explained the r-e.ason tor the fac i l i ty and who ..,;)uld be
occupying it. He irrl icated that tn other projects, the
balconies were seldan used, an:! therefore did not think 1 t
would affect the integrity of the building 1! the
balconies were el imi natoo .
Cmmissiooer Snith stated that he felt the balconies were
an amenity to people living there errl that he ..,;)uld 1 i lte
to see glass put on the face of the balconies. He
in:Hcated that he fel t people ..,;)uld ~it out on the
balconies.
Cmmissioner Marcus concurred w1 th O::mnis.sioner 9ni th an:!
said t.hat they needed to 1 eave the balconies with soun:i
attenuation to make them usable.
Ooamisaioner ttl'adden ,dBO a,gre,;,i:J with Onmissioners
Harcus am 9ni th.
Oxrmissioner Pl:lmbotis pointed out that there were other
UlM!9 than recreational ones for the balconies and that he
agreed wi t.'1 staff.
Oxrmissiooer Hall aslted if sou.~ was given constderat ion
when the project -. previously approvai and Charles Gr um,
replied that it was, an:! that there was more than one way
to aolve the problan.
A 11110tion was passed approving ctian;es l, 2 am 4 on
lnfOllllolltion tun regarding ClJP-255 -Villas De Carlsbad as
out1 ined in the roanorard\111 of June 12, 1985 fran the L.!rrl
ON Plamiri:; 11!1.nager to the PlAIYling Camisaion.
O\arl-GriJmi stated that there would be minutes at the
nnt ._.tiri:; for the camliaaion to review,
Olnniasloner L•tteureux asked about guidelines for the
...-=1a1 11Ntir,:; on June 1.9, 1985 am the tentative follllllt
.... dJ 9Cll88ecL O:misaiODeJ: L' Heureux llll!Dt ioned that he
foua:1 it difficult to talk about each item in!ividually
since ao many itau were interrelated.
O::aaiuiooer tt::Paddai suggesta:S not votirg on thEID
imividually but having the 0:lmittee pre9!1lt then
imividually.
Scitlehuber II
l't:!"adden I
Snith I
Hall II
Rarbotia II Jl
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Chainnan Scitlet.Jber pointed out that the a::rm1ss100 has
UDt.U July to f inish vi th the General Plan since the
():)urx:i l won• t be reviewing It until July.
Hike HOlmiiller pointed out that the Camuttee fouoo that
each item h!ld to be di9CUB8ed individually; othen.nse a
deciaion couldn't be made.
Both CXmDissiooers Marcus arrl L' tteureux st.ated t:hat they
felt the i tall& could be grouped together .
O:-isaioner 911..ith a.sited about the Col lateral Aepo.rt and
Chairman 9::hleh.i>er replied tNt 1t should be taJcen as a
aepa.rate itaD.
Chaiiman Scitlehuber mentioned that staff would be
available to meet with cnmt>ers of the camrission on the
Oeneral Plan next l'l:lnday at 1: 30 p.m. arrl that members
should oont.act staff to make a spec if 1c 5 ppo int:ment . He
al80 stated that staff ~uld be available at 11 :00 a.m. on
1'Ue9day as l~ as no 1110re than three people were pcesent.
By proper 1110tion, the meeting of June 12, l98S was
adjourned at 7 :50 p.m.
Respectfully sul:mi t ted ,
' J~.tL.nffil ID ., OOn -~ s,J_I_ ,v• ?Y -'
KIJCE ID.ZMILLER
Land U. Planning ""-Mger
Ruth Stark
Minutes Clerk
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