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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1985-07-10; Planning Commission; MinutesMINUTES 1'UtET !?C OF: PU.NN1 r.,;::; ~ 1SS r ~ DM"E OP HEETI~: July 10, l98S TIKBOPMn"fU.(;: fi:0-0 P.M. PLM:E OF 11EE'l'r~: City Co.ire l l °'4Tt>ers COMMISSIONERS CML ro (Jg)ER : 1'tle meet 1 ng va.s ca l ed to or dei by Ou,irnan sdtlehuber a t 6:00 p .m, Present : Olli 1 amn sen l ehuber , Coma gs 1 oner s Abeent : !4c'f'adden • ~1 th , Ka l 1 , Rcmbo tt s , Mar Olli imd L'Heureux. t.bne . s~ ff '115rber 8 Presf1nt : "'4rty Bc:Junan , City 1'1'.aff lC' Engineer Ola:rles Gr l.IJ:m, Priocipa l Planner Mike~. kssociate Planner Dan Hent.schke, >.ssi a t.ant City Attorney Brad Therrian, Princ1pel C1ty Enjirv;,er Clyde Wick:hmn, "88ociate Civtl ~.ne<>.I Ol!l 1 u.an Schlehuber cal loo a tten t l on t.c the P lann 1 ng CXnnission Procedu~s bei ng sho.m on the screen ard ask.ed the aw ieria! to take a few au ra..i t.es to read then. 1) er Bs-6/PID-80 -DAai ~ -Request for a 791 unit l:l!!nt.aflve tnct map and planned unit develqment on ill acr-es ln Ne ighbor~s SW-1, 2, 3, Md 4 of the t.a Coat,i l1aater Plan, north of the intersection of Rancho Santa Pe Reed am 011 venha in Road in the l'-C zaoe. Kike Howes, Associ.ate Planner, exp!Ained that this was a cont.in:~ 1 tan. Clyde Nickham, Asaociats Civil Engineer, dhtcusaed a Dl!W condition, 17B, that llQlld awly to all of the c..a Costa projects dJao•seed that e'V'i!!ling as well .II.JI th06e for the fut:m'e. Ht'! gave the llta.!f presentation on this it.an 11B axtt;alr.:i 1n th9 staff report, using a t.ranaptrency to tbow the ai te and poi~ to m.ps on the val l. 1te 111.Jlo stats! that a DeW C'Ob!Jtioo [:equired a noise study. a:..taioaer 8a.itll .oadm:iiid why the awlkant ll0Ul.d be imol99d 1n an u-,t di■trict at thia time whsl there .. DO dnelc,.-it l'lOrth of La Costa Avea.le, am Clyde Wickha rap.tied thl!t ■~CClt the a.r&11 ~ so C0nJest.ed am tba pmject, woold ~ate traffic Ol'l Rancho S..ta Pit llrad, md lt ,muld taltA quit:a II lmig time tD for:!11 the cli9tr1ct, it wu aecm■ery to r~re it 11.t thl■ Ume. 01111:man Bcb!etnter: ~ the plblic hearing at 6:10 p.m. a:115 lamed the i.nvitatiCD to ..-u. MINl'TES July '.0 , '.98'> COMMISSIONERS Mr. P'l.ichael Ryan, Dllon Onporat1on , '>lSO Avenida Encinas, earls~, discussed tJ)e proJect in deta 1 l arrl e xplained that the project was 1n caq:>i larce "'1th various plZIIU! an:! ordil'\llne8S required by the City of Carlsbad. He descnbej the ar s of open 6.pi'!IC'€' a.rel pointed out the l.ffl)r~nt.s they wo..ild CMk:e on R.=cho S.ant,ii F'e ROl'ld . Hr . Ry 4rl d l scuimed dens It y in deta il am 11\ ed about condition 178 tspeclcl assesanent fee1 . He ment 1oned. Daon WCJUld l Ute to make sure that this wa.s ilI{>OSO:i 0 11 other proJec-tB in the sout..'"-st arrl southwest areas of the C I ty . He 1rdicata::l that out of the 89 conditions of awro,'?I. he only had concerns about two of th~: c-orrl1tiorui tS", and n , IUrl d i scus.ood them in det:B 1 l . Mr. Ryan su:zman zed by requesting consideration of h1s cament:s regarding conditicrtS t">S arrl 77 a.'\:3 asked that the Planning Com:ission ai::prove t.he 1-roJect . Mr. Bi ll Kennedy , Daon o:irporatlon, SlSO Avenirui En:inas, Ca.r~.abaci, outl ine.d the history of the prOJt;>e t an:! pointed out t..hat the map was consistent with the Kaster Plan. He difK'\lS.Sed the pro ject 1 1rc.luding the make\.lp of t..'le types of homes , an:! described o:mnm i t:y bene f i t s f ran the pro ject. Mr. Ke!"ll'Edy also alluded to the offs1te ~rOYementa of Rancho Sllnt.il Pe Roc!d an:l aske:i the Pl.Anning Ccmnission b'.) awro,-e the pr-o Ject.. Mr. wi lfred Leve.ague, n22 mi 11 o way, car l.s.l:wj, ~12lf'rl the need to make sure furrls were set aside for i.rq,roV'ellle'l"lta. He spoke about the ~is shifting to wh.!ll t the people want an:! vha t the peep le r..-e:5 a rrl st.a ted th.,t he w.as in fl'lvot of tha project. MB . Cathy Regan, 7728 Palacio DT1ve, Carlsbad, represente:, the PEDArch Hoaa.ao.imra Association in UI C.Oau an:! xpres.Bed their opposition to the project , particularly becaW!le of prablmie genera t:ed by add it ion.al t.raf-f ic. She id!reued the issues of i.mprowment of Rancho Santa Pe Reed, widening La Coat.a l\YeBJe, am adequate llCQeSS to l-S. 118. RegaJ, a.J.Bo stated that ~le facilities needEd to be adequate. "'· Loia ttmpu-eys, 76◄7 Primavera lliay, Carlsbad, said that she V.!1..11 11Urpriaed the project wu in ccnfonnar'IO!t vi th ewrything ■ince a.he felt there were not enoogh pa.rka, police ILlld fire protect.ion, am that rO&dti were OJDCJ4!9ted. Sbe ~ the project be phased in ooe sect i oo at e time, alnca it vaa ba.rJ to maktt dee 1aiau1 t:cx1!11y for areas that would not be ~leted far ten years. "'8. HUl{lhreys ~1~ SM _. not OR"'...,d to the project per ae but !elt it llb:Juld be pbued ln. Kr • .J_. Bott:aaley, 7933 Cll.lle San P'elipe, Carlab.,,d, stata! that he vaild not mim the project if it were only ■ingle t-ily r•iderD!s, am c-ontinlll!ld on to add.re■& the 1.auee of parka, ac:bOol&, t:raf f ic a.rd density. Qaai.uicoer L' Kea.ran lldviaed OMii.DMD Schleruoer th!lt he bad b:) l•~ the meeting for a ■chool board meet.fog (6:50 p.a.) and .o.illl be returnirq l.atar that ev@l'l~. MINUTES Pt.ANNI....:. CON1SSJON .1u1 y 10 , 985 Paqe 3 COMMISSIONERS l'\I , Michael Ryan resporne:I to the quest i ons an::l Hl.!lues n i sed by the other speaker !l • He ~.JH ze:I t~ t the project was 1n corq;lliance with t.he-l'\ast:.er Plan a.rd the La Costa "'"1ster :Plan arc! that ~1ng of the proJect ...as 1n &CCO~ wlth the La Cost!!. Master Plan . Mr. Ryan pointed out that [Rion Corpora u o,1 .ras coopera t 1nq with the requira1:2nt:s ot the City. Since no one else w lshed t:o speak on U11 s I tern, t..he p_lbl I c t.est. lmony 1IRl.!I cone l uded at 6 : 55 p. rn , Cami i ss 1 oner Rcmbo t1 s add r-essed con:l I tl on f s 5 an:! =k.e:l if there -.re any way that If the project was &~roved. Oaon Corporati on C'OUl.d put 1n R.-mcho SanW fe Road a.rd t.hen collect t:he money frCIIl the other property cwncrs. "'3.rty Bc:unan, City Tn1tfic Engineer, replied t:hioit tilf' pr;xilan was that the City was anx1ou11 t o see that pan of the road reb.Jl It. Ccmnis.sio.ec Rmbot is agreed that ~ had to qet the r-oad finishe::l lilt once, but he 1o1anted to kn<'.N whether there was sane vehicle to use the equity of the-p'.."oper ty owne.r. Clyde Wlr:kham reeµonde:l that two agTeen::i!flts e111st:ed on 1 t. COnnisaioner Ral:botis asked lf 1 t -.as c-cnce1vabl t: to ca ll it coocurrently a:-rl Clyde Wickham im.swered t.hllt i t llJaS. Cazmiss i ooer l'tf"adden woo:jer ed aboo t chang i r.:J the require:uents and Dan Hentsdlk.e, ~s i st.lint City A.t tnrney. adv taed aga i rurt do i ng so • He e.p La i ned t:ha t i t was against wha te'll'l!l'. Md been done be tore in t.ha t the City regu.ired every i.aprovement necessary for a particular project regardless of who owned the property. Dan Heotsdlke tecamasdttd that they~ the obligation to mitigate th.at burden on the developer. lf the other &neloper procw---de::I or the ~rovements wete call.ed, Oiul l:ientadu:e a.a id that the owner VC11.ld go in ar:rl lllillke the ~ta. He stated the Planning C'.o:an.iuion stould oot c:hmige the ccn:H tion. 0:mlllaaioae.r aad;iotis as.keel if Daoo built Rancho Santa Fe Raad, WOlld the C1 t:y call in the ~rovenent agreement and Dim 'ltmtachn replie1 tnat al.though he had not llel!ll the agr-.nt, 1f the City Fngineer decided to cell the agremmtt.a, they could. He ln:Hc:11ted that ~ only time tbe dlmalcper would be reimtl.lraed for lq>ro'YBEDt:S would be if they Vl!re la%ger thm1 neceflMry for the dellelopment. oc:-1.uiaaer lait:Jotia aake:1 if the City anculd call in the ag:t r ••• ~ Osl FISlt&chke stated that this va.s a policy judglllent. Omaiaianer llmbot.ia. respamed to a cmment l'(r. Bottcmley iiiida m:d ~ displaying the 1mp of tho project io the al• office. 0:--i•ior:ar l1u'cua menticoed ahe felt the fees were l'Dt the wy to a.ltigat. traffic and suggeated brcmdaling the uea to m::lude the 80Uthern cpadrante of the City far the ,-. 5be 1-r:dlcab!d that this project u Jt vas MINUTES \ \ \ \ Pl.ANN1N:'.; <Xl'+IISSION July lo , 1985 ~~~tP. 0~ "V.4~ 1c, COMMISSIONERS \~ ~~ ~\ con::! it lone::l waJld be work a.bl arrl prov 1ded needed R.4ncho Sant.a Fe IJ!flrOYmll?nts arrl parks , Ct:nm I ss 1onN l'f.!lr C'US stat:ed she agreed with the a ppllcllnt's present1H1on regairding density. She a lso Indicated she would l 1!,;e to eliminate corrlltion t 77 If ~r eeable. l"Arty Bo.man e:.:pla 1ned tha t t.he ;mounts of the tee weze ~ on the t r aff ic generation rat.es ard were 1nt.ertm ra tees . He po 1 n ted out that the developer under stood them, althouq~ he did not necessarily agree 1111th them . Mt , Boumn discns.sed how they ~ up -with the f~ an:l that after fin., l study, they WOJ.1..d broaden the scq:,,e Ol t.he are-, i nvo I vec:l an:'! ur 1 ude other areas . Ctnm.isstoner l"cFadden ment i~ s.'le .. as conc:-errwad about the assessment d i st r1 ct ard fe l t that con:ll t I on 177 Bhou ld st.By in. Ccmnissioner ~1th s,ud that h€ felt this .ias 11 11ery ( 1ne project. He 1n:itcated he agreed with condition 177 as i«>med. O'la i tIMn Sehl etuber asked st.a ff ho. they f el t about the timing for i.q)rOVU1e1t.s -,.s set out 1n con:llt1on 155, and Mlir'::y 8cuna?I expressed th.!!lt it was possible to ~rcm1se on ~he timing. Ol5 i rman Sehl ehuber suqge&t.erl ,.ubJec-t 1 ng I t to the city Dlqineer 111 r"eview 11!l:! d.A)roval MY! Cc.mnisslOoer Ranbotis i::ecoa11e111ed S'tarting in nine months dnd c,:nplet1ng the deve.lopm!nt in a diligent manner subject to the apprnval of the City ~ineer . l'lllrty ~ 1 rd lea t.ed that this cou le! probably be done t n a phased ll'a!llTler, am t:hat it"' catpn::mise was made, he ..auld prefer add 1 ng three cnont.hs . Claicman Schlerube.r addressed ph.a.&ing aIXl pointed out that a..l tlnugh it wu an excel lent SUNe5t i an, it was necessary to clean u.:, Rancho Santa f'e Road • T'he Plann.ing o:mmtsaioo awroved the Negative Decluatioo iaaued by the Lam Oae Planning Manager Md adopted the following Rasolutiom USCUl'rlQil llJ. 2H9 ~IN:. APP~ OP' /II. 789 ITNIT '!'lll'l'M'IVE TR1IC!' KAP AlE PL.t.!tim muT D!'-IELCFHBff (l,i PlllP!2'l"f ~ LOCA'l'm 11Dlffli OP fflE Ill'l"ERSB:'TION OF DIDC> SAHTA n lllAD »I> CLIVlH!AIN R'.>AO. 111th the folla,ing c:bmlgea: ~ anHUoo re:JILl:ding noise study 11.B outlitEd in the aaK> frca the Lam Oae Planning Office to the Planning 0--t a1 a:i &1rtad -'ul y 10 , 198 5 . Nadify coaUtion tSS b'j adding three 1DJntha to the ooaatructiOD a::hi!d\Jle. Cba.i%all SCblllbmer <XllllleOt.ed thst 1 t was iq)ortant that the City wderatmd the City l!hgineer ¥CUld be calling the Ull'Jl'.0¥ •ta in Septmber • SChlehuDer :I l1Chdden I. &11.ith I Kall I Rmt>oUe ill • flla..tcus • 2) MINUTES J uly 10 , 198~ CT 8~9/la:>P B~l -Yl STA S>NrA PE \ARP.A •s-n1i REquest fot a 103 lot tentat Ive ua~ t map a 1...11 Costll Devel oi::ment Pertn1 t f oi Ne 1 ghbor tood SE-l q of the La Cast.II 111.lster Plan, lOC'atecl at the souui,.,est corner of the Calle Barcelona Ard Cal le Ace:rvo inter sect l on 1 n the P--C zone . ~lee Grl.oai, PTincip,il Planner , referred to rev1!ied currl l tl on ♦4-0 as set c..i t l n the merco r an:hD f rcn. the !..and Ose Plar:ning Off ice to the Pl.anning camu ss ion datecl July 1.0, 1985 . He als.o mentioned a rot.e by the City En:pneer to add the cond It ion i ncluded on •.he first pro Ject re.J4rding assesm,pnt_ district t c t.he next thr Lil Cost.a project.a. Olar lee Grum, g.,~ the present.at ion on t.h1s 1 tell a.s cont.a lned 1 n the st.a. ff r epor t , us ing a tr ans p:u ency to show the s i t:e an::l ~11 iua.ps t.o show the proposed pro Ject , tie expla lned thc,t th1 s was a resul:uli ta l of an expi C'e:l tl!ntative map, ar'Cl reo:mnerrled a~roval of ttl pro ect. O::lll:m.iss ionei: Ra!E>ot is asked 'lbout the pu ["")()Se of corrl 1 tl on f 62 m:D Chad RS Gr IJl1Jl i n:Hca ted t.ha t the Po I Ice Dep,u tment a.um thllt 1 t he inch~ to help prevent poss i.ble wrglaiies. caimissioner McFadden guestlonw the des1g:na ion of Calle Baroelala an:! Ola.rles GI:i.alm replta'l that !t was & collector street . OJmii.B.Biooer Raitx>tis ukoo about the dr IVf.!'W"'}'!I am K!trty 9c::uDan • Ci ty Traff le Engineer , replied that they we re permitted but oot necesaat i l y t a:umed-..d. ChaiDMn Sehl e:ruber apeDBd the ~l ic t--eec 1~ a t 7 : 25 p.111. and iaau«! the invitati<Xl to ~- Kr. au.a Padia, 3152 Aadh.111 AveBJe, COat.l!I ~, tepra~1bd Rallies by Polyga:i. He discussed the project am daaern:-1 tbe lota in detail II.ID he asked that cacdi tioo 137 be cl ar i fia::'l to state that i t vou.ld be phua5 bfti'ftt month.a fra!I the last recor:d -P awr::oval. Mr. Padia ln:Hca t:ed he Just becnat f all.i liar vi th the lat:.t ccr1:Htion, II.ID ~t.l!!d trut his loitial reaction ws that he 1111111 not sure the project IOl..l.d bmefit fran an a ■ ,t district ■o far !ram the proj(l)Ct. Mr. -llarry Bln:5o:r: , Riek Erqi~ il'l9' , 3089 Pio Pico Dr i Ya, C&rl.abad, d~ the pwject ft'QII en ~i- atla!polnt and raqueated th.at c::oaH tioo HO rega.rdiog oau.ctttJ.;tJOll of 8lmc:bo Santa h ~ betw!D Oli VE!Dl::r.a in Jl0ad ad KlliOD znstanc ia be changed to the &ame t 1-:l Uaita u pi..:I 0C1 ita 11 (fiftaeD a:,nt:hs). Sin09 ao OQI elN wtsbed to llpl!l!lk OD thia 1 tall, the ?]b11c tast.ia:Jay amclndad at 7:30 p..-. O:W1ut~ ~ uprm:■a:S conce.rna about the 11h: or ..,.. lota with dil:ect V9hic::ular ac:oeaa to Calle Ba.ca!lcs:ia ..S alJlo at.atl!ld that the project lac:ke:S adllqua~ ra::matJanal faciliti•. !be aao pointed Qlt that -.ny of tha Iota had al0pea on tt.. wti.ic:h ld.l.ld be uroaable in I MINUTES Pt.AMNI!.i'.:i al"NISSION July 10, l98:, CO MISSIONERS a reo:::-r·eat icnn l BertBe . CClmt i s.s i oner McFadden ! rrl I ca ted she 'IIIO.l.L:'! like to sa:i l)cceBS on lots r , Calle Baroelon.!1 denied an:1 mentioned e h-.d concerns reg.ird ing pedest rl.tm ao::ess ti:i calle Barcelon.11 , particulady for school d"llldrm. l"larcy Bo.man con acted a.r1 ear l .er sta \..elJlen t an::! 1 rrl i c.a ted that Calle Barcel= """-'> a secorrlary a rt:er ial to the west an:J & col lect:or st..reet to t..'le east . Cl::mni BS loner l"o4rC'UB 8 ta too that the developer Iola., \J?l l 1/ I rq access to Calle Ban::elona in the nex:t Item. Olar lee Grum e:q>Liuned tl\ilt oo the orig 1nal map, there lllleUl more lou on Calle &irce:lona; flO!lo' it ~ being reduoed to oo-ven . Camussioner MarcuB 8..')ld she ...as i n favor of e l uninatirq all of thelll. Cl::mnis.siooer 9n.ith ln:'licated he was a ~so bothered because in the tublre, Uiere ,-;:iuld be a high scnool, elementary school ~ p.lllu! aroun:! the corner an:! fe lt tha t San" chllnge1I should be made. Chairman Sdllehuber asked It the Planning O'.mn.l SS 10n decided t:o approve other parts of the project, ~ld they sen.1 the pro )ect back or Just sem part of it back 7 Dan Hent:llchke, Assistant. C1 ty Attorney, repl iec:I t:hat because the Pl~ning cazmi.saion wag making a report arrl rec,...,..!"daUol"III oo thls project., they c:Qlld 9U;1gest that the City CDJrril rework it. lie expldned that t:he City CCurril CCJclJj tau> care of ~t, or alternatively, the Planni ag O:mainioo could review the whole project, make a n 1port 4n.1 rec:xrm,p.rdations, and uk the City to reviev it. 0::mD.iuiooer ~ di•cusse:l the fact that there was ,, l.adt of !'XWlmi ty nicreet.ion areas and suqgestaj l!lddi~ a c:caSition to p.it in 8CIE u.sahle p!lrlu! wbel::e vehicular traffic vu denied. caaiuiormz ~ stated that if the Planni ng ~saioa coo.ld 1a:::wmau:1 to Coon:: i l in l!ldd i tion to deleting ~cular tra.f f ic that they also addree.s rec:naat.ional problmia, she c:o:tlcl then awrove the project. 01!1:1 llilllt&dlke lmiCi!lt:m he was oot sure 111hat Ca:lmi&&ic:ner ~ tmd lll llrlnd 11111th reg.am to the pllllcs bJt aaid that t2:ll8 Plam.ing Cl:ami&aion c:culd m.ue the ra:::ume:.ddtioo that tbe pn,ject be revi-S l!IIlCI subm.ittied vHh a:dification to the design. & a,tioo _. IM('e awroving the ~Uve Declaration 1...s by the LADS Ose Plam,ing l1ilal.:),gel" and adq>ti.rx; -.olutlcn 1110. 2U8 reo ■m,e.Hag approval fo1 a 103 lot taJtatiVII trac:1'. 1llllt) 11m l02 wtlt l..a Co.-tn develop99nt s-:ait oa pr;op,in-ty generally lceab!d on the &aJtl'M!!at comm:-of tl:le calle Barcelona aoo Calle-Acervo inte:niect.i(rl baed oa the fiadiBJ:8 ~ subject to the ca::ditima 0011t.a1ned therein, vith the add.itiaml cc:aHtioo requiring radeaign of ah: lot.a vhich would raow-aocesa to calle Ba:rcelgna, am add the 000:H tion MINUTES July 10, 1985 p~, ~ out __..;i uw Planntng Caimtssion by staf t relating to the asses.anent d 1 st r iC' t . Cclllft1asione:r H.a.11 ultecl about the lot on the corner a.rd issi oner l'tcf'addeo asked aboJ t 1 ncreas 1 ng r ecrea t .1 onal fecilities for this project. Jl aoerdne11t to the a.:>t.lon on the floor was pa.s.sed reqiiring an !nc:reaae of recreational fac!lltle-e for tt.... project. The Planning O::mn.iBBion apprOYed the Neqat! ve Declaration issued by the [.and Use Planning /'\an.aqer arrl adopte:l the foll wing Resolut: ion: RESOLO"I'ICl,I ~~ 2ua RFJ.'..XH©OU(:; APPRO.n>.L FOR A lO 3 LO'!' Tmn7.TIVB 'l"R1,C1" 111.P AND 102 UNIT LA CDSTA D~ PEINIT 00 m:FER'l'Y Gl2lERALLY LCG\TID ON TI!E SCln'HiolFST ~ OP' THE o.LLf BAJCEI..aQ. AKJ O\.I...J...E /JO'X,fO TW't'tMil:CrICII. la:Ht.100&: Add a ccnHtion to tedeaign the six lots which take access to Ollle Ba.rcelona. Include the ac! :1t1ooa1 corrlition hamed out by staff raating to ~ asseewm-,t di.strict. ~ a conii t on tJJ lllC're!Ule recrel'.lt.ional faci 11 tie:s for the pniject. NDf POBL.IC HEAR:IlCS 3) C't BS-~6 -VIS!'A Sl.llrA FE (ARE.\ •c-} -Rlequest foy a t t.ant.atlw t:raet map attl plamed rmit d.flel~t far Neighborhood SE-18 of the La Cost.a Kuter Plan on the north aide of Calle B.uatlona ~tely 800 feet east of the intereectioo of Qu.le Bllroelona md aandl<> &mt.a P-e Road ln the El'-< .... Mike Hl:Mil!s. Aaaociata Pl.anrler, gaYI! the preaentation on Wa l~ u ~ in the staff report, using a ~ tX> show ~ • i ta m'.ld pointed ID a map on the boam. HIii ■tat.a tbllt this .-. the BmE awl icant aa for t:blt pwriDall project ad dl•02Med the project in detail. Ill:. eo.. mfcr.i to the ~vi-' comitioo t42 reg:arding a:mstracticm cf a.x:ho santa li1"ll ~ bcb. 21'.l 011 venha in 111:mi aid N.iJli.on Eat:mx:i.a am pointed out that this lll0Uld be~ to fiftw:i m>ntha t:o cmfot:m with requin!IIE'nu for the Othar projecta d~ tlmt ffll'81.i.og. <laaixmn ~ uke:3 who vwld maintain the ane lf tha-•111 1-t:: dilJt:rict ~ cw about ard Kil::e Hew ~ it W3ltld be the ~•• wociation'a NlllpODa:lbility. Schlehuber-• Mcf'addeo Ji • lbith I Hali Ji Ra:l:bot.i 5 I M.,:raw I Schlehuber I 1'1ci'adden I Sci tr, I Hal 1 Rarbotis J .. Marcus I MINUTES Jul;• 10, 1985 Cl'iaicnan Sehl eb.lber opened the publ ic hea c 1 ng at 7 : 4 5 p .m. an:! issued the i nv l ti!! ti on to spealc l'lr. Ruse Padia, 315-2 Aedhi 11 AYertJe, Costll "4eB.n, r.epreaenta:! Hanes by Polygon arrl diS0.lS.Sed the project in detail am IDl!l1tiomid he could fonee piroblem& "'i th the haneoimer' a asaoc ia ti on ma, int.a 1 n 1.nq the space in the ripu-isn area whidl incl~ed mar.shllllld. He diso .maed ca:di tion t J7 a.rd a.a.id t:ha t he ~lei 11 li;e to see I t clarified !IO tbnt the project ~rovements be reflected to be 1.11:prCJYed twelve montha frCJll the last prior apprnv"'l. Hr. Barr:y BIEder, Ria l!hg i.neer ing, 3 088 Pio P 1co Dd ve, Carlsbad, in::Hcata:! he had t:he same ccmnents for this project as he had vi th the 1.ut one. He &.mnar lz.ed his thought.a aro asked for clarification of C'Clrdltion f.41. Q:aidasiooer lbabotia asked 8bout the fresh water marsh aid Mr. Ber:rlei: .'mJNll!red that it came ahoJt -., result of the work dcoe ln Stztgecoach Park. O:mn1ssionm: Rcmbot.is asJced staff !lbout i:riaint~ of the 11re11 end what vculd ha~ if saueone fell in. Mike HOllleS pointed out that it -was only a fOC't deep, arr:! ln answer to a query by Ct:lm.iasiooer McF'i'ldden, M.lke H<Mes respocded that there · e no plans foi:: a fenc,e arourd the area.. He mentiODll!ld that the Departmer:it of P'ish , Gmne. might be able to provi 1e an answer. l'lr. e«d@T advised that the marshlard would wash out repat:aily. He at11ted that t..1ere was preseatly a natural bab i tat there at the prE!IM!llt t ime • 0:ID' !oner a:imboth asked staff for cluification that i.f the City f 11.c 1n the 11et.l.am arBi!I, to make the park am u a tndeo.ff vi th the Depl.r1:ment of !'iah • GmDe agreed to create ~ •rshlm2S, did they haw the right t.o mke otb•n cnate the marmlard7 1'111te Holille& imicat:lld that WIili co11ect.. caai.aic:me:r lltc!'addeD c:xmzll!llted thDt she didn't think it WCIUld involve anyth.i.Dg other than planting t::.Jt that 1 t ao..n•t r.-olw the aren o,f l.1.abillty. Binm no ace elJle vi.t.j to speak, the publ le teetiJm;xly _. C!00Cl.aded at 7 :55 p.m. 0--:IMiCllaE ~ aalted ■uif abcxlt the liability and DIID 8"1tiid ... , uaistant City Attomey, aid that it .. baically the Limp +wlbility of the people who own the peepct;r. ee aatiorm that a fm llll0Wd z::ab::e po,tmtial p.:,pl• goin:;J 1D U.-e bit l t could oot be plaoed IIC!l'Oaa a st:raa i.::ame e,,ery ti.a it aiml heavy, the :taa;,a lll0Wd wab. out. Dlll'l Mmtachka ata~ that the teal 9PM'1on -~ thay .ant the !reah -ter -.+ll'ab there ID! tta p:rtmtlal r iau ttat go al~ vith lt. ~ Bllitb ubd abcut the •cs ,t district ao:! Mike -r.apo.:ded that the c:ca!i ticn ~ to the other pa:,jcta that -.ung lalld a.lao •~ly to thl• project. a,.1..., Sd:t1Cl•b9r ■ta.tad that hi! didn't thinJt it 11BJ1 fall tD r.quire tba a;l)l ic:ant to •iDb.iD the axea an:t tlat if it -...tJed cut, oothing amuld be doae to rebuild it. MINUTES July 10, 1985 ~isl!i~ McFadden addressed con:::lition f22 cr1 pisge 5 rei;zirdlng development. of the a.rea 1n question and pointed out that there was no mention of maintetum:=-e of i L Olai.cman Sdllehu.ber requested clat if io,tloo frat1 staff aoo Kike Howes [micat:J:irl that t:hey cOJld create It !Ind then len-1t in its natural et.ll.te. Comm1ssione:r snuth --1 1t Che pr~rty O'to'ner·e wOJ..ld own the ma.rah, a:nd i f !k>. .rould the respons i b 1 li ty Ue w i th t:bm if there WJ.B a prcb1em? Ola i rm.an Sdl l ehuber po 1 nted out that I t \f&S a quest ion of what the liabil it 1.es were on any open Sp!!Ce properties.. C::Jmm i sa iOIEI: ~C"J.11 merit i one:I she was not ...or ried about &rrjOOe drowni.ng, ~t that since this ¥'as adjacent to Ml elementary school site, it would be attract Ive to 5---6 ye,a.r old chlldren. She suggested possibly locating the marsh ln another a.ree. Ola i rm.an Scnlehuber ask al what was I nvo 1--":!d with the c:rention of the man.h and Kike Howes erplained i.t. O:mn i sai cnu Marcus caent oned she agl'eed w i th the aR>liCIIZlt that if it waa left done, l t vQJld create 11 oa turzi.l mar ah . C0al:II i s.si onet Md"Bdden st.a b!!d Bhe f el t t.hd t t.he ~ rtment of P'iah , Game llhculd tAke care of 1 t . '!'he. Plaonio;i Cmausaian adopted the following Resolution: R!Stt.D'fICII Yl. 24.5,4 RD:DfVt!H)n&:; l\PPROIAL OF A. 154 UN IT 'n!W!'M'IVR TDCT KAP AND PLAIA1ID CJNIT DEVEU>Pffflll'T CII PlilCl'mf'r GmmRALL! COC1d'!D IN NElGmOIHXD SS-18 l«lR'Tt1 OF OUB NICBJ-ONA APPIDtll'IAT&LI BOO FlZT DS1' OP THE uffEiSJLT!Clil OF ~ ~ AND R.NCfO SNn'A P'E IIJAD. With the foJ.lcwing cbanges: Kadify oomitia::1 H2 to change completion of coastruct:ioo f%Qa malfte amt:ba tx) fifteen -.,nths. Add a o:oSlt.100 nquiriog participl!tion lo an amamsmen~ district u .raqwnd foy the pr.w1aus projects dao....., tbat ftl!Diog. llbUfy ooaU U0e MO u di•cuHl!d _ Caw tbe ~ in iu 11o11tural state. aaJ.raan Sc:blabubar declared a r-=-a at B:05 p.m. and DJM•'dng ~alan ~ at 8:15 p.m. 4} er ~ BS-2 -PARK VI!M WEST -Rrlguast fOt' a m ·. anlt tantatiw t:Dct map ~ i:. Calta DIWl.~ e.:ait for lleigbborboocl s:&-16 of the La a.ta Nate P~ lcx:atad along tbll aut aide of IIDC:bo Bmtll re R0ad betvesi the tutu.re exteaaloaa of ta co.ta Awa. aaS Ki•.ioo bbllria of tt. nortb md Kllth, r.-p,ctiwly. Sdllmuber ll ~ X Smith ll Hall ll Aomboti• J: Mllrt.'WI :r ll .. r MINUTES July 10 , ~985 Page 10 COMMISSIONERS Olar 1 es Gr i.m:t, Pr i rx; 1 pal Pl arner , d l 5CU8aa:i the mem:>t arrl.rD frm the L.en:'I ON Pl..enning Office to the Planning Q:m:11..ia.eioo dated July 10, 1985 which desc·rioo:l moc:H f I.ell ti onB to Eng 1 nee ring con:! i t ions U 2 , 4 J , ard 65 • Ol!lrl.es GriJ:m gave the pre&entation oo this item a.a contained in the st.lift report, '-1Bing a transparency to &how too site anc:I wall 111<1pe to ohc,,,,r the proposed pi-oject. He dmscribed the project in det.al 1 an:! rtee.nmerloo awroval of the project . COmitu1ioner !'1i::Fadden asked how many t:1,,1() bedrocn ard three bedroom units there were an::l C\IJrles Crilim &l.X}gested the itppllcant cculd answer her questi on. Ominnan Schletuoor ~ the public hear ini;i at 8 : 19 p.11:1. sn:t iBSUed the invi uition to 6P@dlt. Bi ll Hofman, 5150 A.ven.ida Enc~ , Car lsmd , discussed density for the project arc ~t10.--»:!d the llpplicant was ~ to corrlitioo i59 regarding the a.ssessnent distdct . He requests:! thot ccnli t ion f43 t-.e changed free twelve aonths to f if teen 1Dlrltrul and st.a f ! i ro ica t:ed ag:reemerit. Sil'D! no one else wished to speex , the ?Jbl 1c he-ar 1ng was ooncluded at s~,o p.ni. Cmmiuicner ~ stated that llhe thouqht the proJect IRlll well dl!Bi gned . The Pl..anning Ccamiaaion awroved the Negative Declaration iaa.:I by the Lan:'! oae Plllnning l'Wlftger a.m adopted the following Rl!solutian: R!'BXD'flCII YJ. 2459 RJDH1EH)n,a::; APPROVAL OP A 133 LOT '!'!Jf'rM'lVB TRM:."'l' KAP MID 131 tJNIT U. CDS'l'A DEVll.Cl'Kl!'Nr PmKIT CB PlD'EliC"f G!HESW.L! LCCATID CW THE BAST SIDE Ol" RUCH'.) SMff1,. PE RO&D BE'llEl2I L>, CDSl"A AV?BJE MO Kl SIOf<i !S'91CI.A. 111.tb the follating ctv,ngeu ~ify axrlition U.3 to reflect a:npleticn of coostructioo fn. twel w zm::>ntha t:c f 1 f tser:i mooths. M0di fy con:, i tiona U2 mrJ 65 a.a outl i ned in the IDl!m> frm tta Lam ON Planning Off ice-to the Plaming c:nmiuion datm J'Uly 10, 19B5 . 5) er 85-7/CP-312 -tA oosrA ALT-A -Rll!gUBSt for awroval of a ta:J.t:atlw mh:!lvlaion lll!p snd cordamini.um permit to dew.lop lJ6 IJrli ta at the 1101J thmst c::o:cner of El ru.rte street am Alga ~ in the m:M-O z:ooe . OMl.r1-Ori.al., PtiDcipsl Plaone.r , stated that the only dJm9II for thia ital,.. r-egarding a traffic i.mp!sct fee 11B outlb.d in the -.oraBSm b:m the Ltlrld o. PLmning Offic:9 tn the Planning 0:--iu,ion datl!ld July lD1 1985. Oarlea Gd• gave the pnactatioo on thia i t:em a.a eoat:aimd in the ataff r~>rt, aalng a tr~eo::y t:c lb::lw the ■i m a::d vall ..;a to 8l:X7V the propoaad project. Be dacdtie:, the project ~ ra, d411d approval. SCh.lehube.r l't::Fadden Sn.ith Hall Aalbotia l1arcu8 @ I J: I I IC J: lC MINUTES July 10, l 985 Page ll OlllitlMD Schlehlber operm the public hearing l'lt 8:25. p .m . a:rd i 88UW the i nv i tat l on to speak • 1.mrw wright, 701 B Street, San Diego, represented Uncoln Property and diBCUS.sed the history of the project. am de.scr i bed the des i qn o ! the c:ordcm 1 n, I \D uni ts . He clarified c:onditioo 141 a.rxl stated th.lit there was an aqu,aueut w-1 th the cur rent owner for r espons 1 bi l i ty of iq>rovemnt.B on t..lga and Kl f\Jerte and that borrls -.ere already obt:Ained to do It. Si~ no one else wished to ~k, the puhl ic hearing was corx:ltded !!.t 8:30 p.m. O:mnis.s l cne:r 11arcus tLSk.ed if corrl l t ion t 40 on page 7 was i~ete an:j was adv i ood by st.a ff th.at coo:H t i COB 140 aoo 41 should be canh ined . O:rmussioner L' Heurew: r e Jo l. ned the meeting at th Is ti.ale. ()::aatls.sioner McFlldden st.llted she could not make the findiog.s on page 2, 12 a:rd conunuro that this a~l 1cant bad tried nard but &he did rot t:hlnlt it was a suitable project for this site. She 1DeI1t ioned the design was ctq,ed !!!rl it crented lllllJ"II0de canyons instead of .!ldapt iBJ tD the ropcgraphy of the area . o:zmtlsaioner MCl"addefl also I n::Hca t.ed that she dis.agreed with finding t5 since she did not feel H was car.p.<itible with aurroum ing land use am wa.s also won 181 about ooe driveway out of the develop:nent . Cmmisaioaer t-Sarcus aslced for clar 1f ication for guest parking mxl the appl i ornt adv i soo that the r equ i renent:B •re met am e,;ceeded thm by bile spi,c:2111. O;mru&aiODeJ: Ka.rCl.1S 112nt ione::l. she had a hard time s.ay ing it was CXlll!P!tible vith &!ns.ity am ll5k1!!d about the project ac:r;oas tbe street. She us.a at.a ted .!lhe d idn' t 1cncw why tbia pieoa of property was designated as ~. Cazm.issi0De.r Raabot.ia aaka1 if the [ationale for the design vas a fact that it ~ a 111111jor corner to &l Flier~ = Alga, end Olarle9 Grim replloo that it was hard to fi(JIJN oat the rat10Mle but pointed out that this lmA ooe of tbe ptoperties 'llhm:e the County determined the lam UN bafm:e 1 t ... JJt'l0ll'ftld to the Cl ty. ~uia.r P1arcull o-::mm!llted that she ww.ld like to aee .ore guMt paz:ting. a.rl• Grim. stated there .a.a acme caocern about the c:xaiatibil!ty mtl.✓t-• tbe blo areas and that the 1111!1.p IXl the other ~ject had expired. o:-1,ui.xm: lalbotia ln1icatai that tht. project -4 fairly ..U. designed and ulted 11taff to cespoiri1 to the •la;le dri.~. Cl.}'de lfick!::.m., Aaociat:e Civil t:ngiaeer, explaulE!d that the llllttm _. a collectol' ab:mt up to tba ~ pool am -not affl!ct:a:1 by the cul de sac pol iey. @ MINUTES PUNNIK. Cl>NI SS [ON July 10, 198~ Page 12 O::miuion.in BIii th asb!d about RV' a l'll1d bo8ta 11rrl whether they uould be peanitted l.nsid,e the devr~lOp.lent 4rrl Charles Gr ti-rm:parded that thi,-c e weren' t any road it ion.a requiring ~ p&rlting on the site. He mentioned that it ~ a prabl an haniled thr CUJh the er , R' o . Q:llmi-ioner Sa.1th sald that roe tel t &cm.>t.hlng should be dale b:l /!O hill• &::,t-,e both RV' II and boat.& . OlainDllfl Sd\lehuber ateted the:re ~He problems w1 t.h parking Spi!SC'll!l:9 am that it ~ a question of whDt phyucal apa::,e vai1 availt'lble. CCa:m1&siOTll!r HarCUA pointed out that the 0: 1, R's could • tat:e th& t RV' • were not all Ololleld • OW!li CDil11 Sehl ehube.r su;,gested add 1 ng t:ha t as ., corr:! 1 t 1 on . Qlauee Grima agreed that a corrli t l.on wo.ild rMlce evre 1 t lilfl.8 incl~ ln the a:• R's. Ola1cman Schlenlber a.mtl.oned that if the RV pai-ldng waa al.lo.ed , the project -..ould be sho r-ter O."l par le 1 ng • A m:,Uon was a:ade by Cmmisaione1 ltf'adden denying Al!aolution No. 2C60 . MIOtion fail~ -due ~o lack of a secon::!~ The PLmn1ng Ccnm1saicn approved the Ne:}4tl ve Dee:larat ion iaaJll!ld by the l...arrl Oae Pl anning l'WW,ger am 11.dopbrl the foll0111iag RmmoluUon: RIBUJ'?l(lil NO. 2,60 REOM(!K)Irt:; APPR0.1Al. OF A TFNI'ATIVE SUll)MSIOtil NIP ~ CXH)(JtfiN1UM P!»t!T TO DEVD..OP l 36 IJHITS Clil PRCFERT! GDf!RALLl' LtX:ATID Cli nm ~ CD1illmil OP Pl.. P\I1RrE STRl'X'I' NE ALGil. ROi\D IN nm Rr.K--0 ZDlill. lifi th thto following changes: NH a ooaHUOD precl~ing RV an:i/or boat storage in the project. Add the com i tioo w tl 1 r:lll!!d in the mmior ar1hn fr<lll the Land 0.. Pl.m.ming, Offlce to the Plannio:, cnmiiasion dauxl .July 10, l.985 C"efenlog to II t.nffic iq:act fee. DISllSSICII ITIKS 6) la)..80 -IC OBI -Request for 11ppi-oval of a Plann.io; oiiialala:i oetm:aina.tim for II four unit apu-mm:Jt project. m a .18.'.3 acre parcel ger»ra.lly located oo the 1101:rtb aide of Oll!llt Averue adjacent to the we.st. aida of t:be M'iSr Railroad in the R-J zone. Cllatl• Gr:iaa, Prl.nclpal Planne:c, gave the preaeotatiori an this ita U caJtairm in the st.a.ff tepart, Wling a t.r••twncr to mow the ■11::e am a 1IIBll m.p to ·llh.cJw the p:opoa,as: pm-ject. He mentioned that the applicant no lmr,m: aadld t:he variancl!I u propoal!d iD the at:a.ff report. Ila hdicata5 eta.ff _. t"ec• ming d.enia.l beolluae thiry did mt fa1 tha &.lgri of the project was appropriate. Sdl.lehuher • ~. ii Snith ii Hall I fuabot.i& I I '°'llcue I L'Heureu:i ii MINUTES July 10, 1985 PmJe 13 Hr. Wayne l't:Cabe, represented the a~l icant Jeffrey l'ICCabe, 267 La Vet.a A."-enue, Encini·tas, and GUlt:ed thot up until two week.a ago, they Md approval of the project. Mr. PICCabe p!lB.6ed out. pictures of the property ne.xt dcxn whic:h vaa cu1110sed of 3S w,it.s . He stated that he felt they got the short ere of the stick s 1noe they worked with staff on a seven unit project am now thi,t was being reduced t.o a t:hree uni t project . camu a.a i oner Marcus expressed het symp!l thy vi th Hr . Mc::.1::a.be m:z! 1Jtat:ed ahe would c:orutider going 119-'inst st.aft' s reco11e1dation for denial if it were a different design. She mentioned she felt the design was I ncarpH i ble with the beach area and questioned l't:r. ~• e cmment that st.at'f helped the aR)lica.nt w1th the desiqn. The awlicant pointed out that he came to suiff with a belled top design and st.a ff asked then to change 1 t . Cnmi i ss i oner L' Heureu:i said that unf ortuM tel y this would be the f i rs t of many that would have to request. sane le 1 oo of variance or modification fraD the nev rules that the C'ouncll would be setting foi-t.h and therefore he would hate to start a preoedent • lie cont 1 nued on to say t.ha t the ai:plicant would have to redesign the r,e,., pro)ect: within the guide! i.nes the C.1 ty has set out. Chai t:man Sc:h.lehuhet asked Canu ss ion L' Heurew: i f he was objec:t..iog to both the denai ty ~ design a.rd camiJ1JBioner L'tJaureu:i answered that it IIOlld IIlilke it very difficult to Sl:JR)Ort it at th1.& dens! ty bec:Buse of the narr°"' aod unique lot. a::mn.i-ianez Mc:Padien ioo iceted she agreed with o:-iaaiooer MarCU9. 0:aaiaaiODH Sutt, atat.erl be al.80 agreed vith caimiasioner Mllrcua •1ix:e he didn't feel the design -.a caip1tible with the arm. 0.1.mllll sc:tllehuber quenioned staff whether they could br.ln;i lt back if ~ denied lt without prejooice and Olarl• Grm replied that their options were to deny it vitboat. sr-judice or aeocl it back tc staff for ceddign. DIID HIDtacblte, Aautant City Attorney, cl.adfied tha.t the Oadaion oow.d ~ it am the awl icant could ~ it to tba COU:iri 1. O.J rwn Sc:hlablber ulted 11:r. ~ bis preferllllC2 and he rer.ipc, ,_, t:ba.t tDey' would 1 Ute to go back am have 1 t EGsigna5. A IK>tian wa puNd aen!i.Dg back PCD-80 -l'C CABE to ataU to wn vi t:h the applicant on II new design am to briag it beck at a later date. 7) la>-7' -fllADR -llllqllat for ~l of a Plann!DJ 6-luloo o-t-.rainat.icm for a tb.r• unit ~ pcoj,ec:t oa a .19:2 acre ~cal 9"f)ffJIIly locat:-5 OD tht narth eide of~ DriVII be~ Dllvl• A\ll!!flJB 111d the lntentate S Frearay in the a,..3 s:one. SC:hlebuber ~l 911th Ball lalbot.ia Marcus LI Hl!ureu.s I: I: z I: Ji • • z MINUTES PL.ANNil,I:; er.MU SSlON July 10, 1985 Page 14 11.ike lie:MaB, Auociet.e Pl&nner, gave the presentation on this itmi u contained in the at.aft r·eport, U81ng a t:r-anape.reDC' to show the s l te and d.r .wings on the wal l to show the propoee:j project . He mentioned the add i t l Ofl4l ex>D5it1oo requiring III signal light or other device at the interaect.ion of Jefferaon Street am Laguna Drive 111.8 ouU il'llmd in the 111111DOr&rdtlll f ram the Laro IJ8e Pl.ann 1 ng Office to the Planning Ccmniaaion dated July 10 , 1985 l'tt. Brook.a ~rthing , 690 Elm Aven,e, earls.bad, caDIIIE!11ted on the addi tiooal cordi tion, stating that tw felt 1 t would be too IIUdl of II bu:rdeD on e ~ unit project anj ~gested 11 Cilli()ran.i E Of $ 200 , The Planning cam.iasion apprOYed the Neg1't1ve Declaration iaeu!ld by the Lam Oee Plmming f'bnage.r arv approved the following Resolution: REOOLIJT1Q4 HO. 2t61 APPIOl'I!I:; A THREE UNIT AP~ l>tOJ!CT Oi A .1§2 ICRE PMCE:L ON PROPDm' GENER,\LLY l£CAT!D Cti THE NOR'n-1 SIDE OF LMilNA ORM SETl."EEN DAVIS AV!KlE All[) THE I -5 l?RP.:EWAY • With the foll owing ~es: ltx:I i fy the adj i t ion.al con::! I ti on out l 1 ned w the meoo r anj1n fran the Laro Ose Planning Off ice to the Planning Caimiaaion dated July 10 , 1985 to et.ate that the total -,unt of the c:ontrirution &hall rot e.,:a,ed 6500 tota.l. 8. SDi' 85-2 -~ lliStJlWCE Nart:y Banan, City Traffic Png ineer , discussed the current 1auea on this item and pointed out that the problm oeat:ered arotJnd the location of a dl'. 1 veRy. !'Ir. Bcumn d.iaaiun:ta! two of the thr-recxmnematlorui made by the traffic tmgineer bro.Jgbt ln by the 4R)licant mid agreed that by widming Faraday by B' , 1 t 'IQlld l'llCCaq)l i ah NW!r&1 thinga, tlhidl be thf!li dieo•s,_., 0.1-=-n Schlehuber ultl!ld for clarification of the option Marty l!l0laul -uiCX __ ncUng arxl Mr. Bamn pointed out the area OD a map on the board am ~xpl11i ned it. 0-hwn Sdlleblber queried about previous diSCWl8iona bald abolrt another driveway lln1 Marty 0wmn replied that be wm•t t-lliar with it. Owd ai~ Mllrcus atat:ad that the p~ 'llllB e:iactl y l&bat ti» Pl,umtng Cmmiuion votad against. a.iman Sc:blebmer ccmmnted that he ~ urxl~ the ilpr.wl011 that tbe driveway wu 6SO' ~ i.nstend of )SO'. llr. Mkholu Blocba, BlO Miuioo A'i'l!l'IUI!, OaMrulide, imlicata! be wa ..ting an ~ion that air~ thlll!l 5'1E'Oject w ..pp.::orid i;,ravicualy, they W!l'e talking about tm aaiD tntraDoe. He atata1 thDt if !"armn ..re to -t: the ~ of the City regam 1 ng the traffic lane, It -14 cast an .tddltional $80 ,000 to .ave the (lQllle% vault ~ tt.re. lie a:nUOIB! that: the Ci t:y ahwld Sdllehuber I McF'lldden 9!:lith I Hall ll Ram:>otis I[ HllrCUB X L'He.lreux I[ I ' I 1 MINUTES July 10, 1985 ~ 15 welcane the building, anj t:hitt Farman was cntit.1ed to ha~ a main entrance off their lot if they would not cr&ate traffic problems. CDD..isaiClnel' s:n..!tn !miCl!ted he urderetood that the corporation owned the property behim it, an:I suggested the possibility of lidding additional places a.a agreed. Kt. Bancbe explained that It 11111S purc:haeed poulhly for 1.nveat:ml!nt only am not fo:r building on the property. a.n.iaaiooer Slli th asked whait if other t:u1 ldinga were developed on the property, what 1olOUlrl they use for-eta:'e'BS and Hr. Basx:be r~liad that from a tr aft' le eag ineer in;! s1:a!x!poiot, the lane 'lllO.l.l.d &ccamodatl!-traffic. He stated that this 110lotion would BeTVe the whole cenret, not jllBt Fanara. camiaai0e& ~en quest 1 one:! wt.y it was be 1ng d.i-aJsea:5 at all si~ she ~ht the approval was reacitded. Chti Cll!Ul SChlehuber replied the t he ~ ' t in at terdarDe that tM:!lling and tunmj the quest ion over to Camu se i one.t Mll.rt.'us, Vice-Ola h:man of the Ccmlli s.s 1 on • caniaaioner Marcua respol'DE!d that COmnissioner '1CFadden llight be correct but that ahe did not recall thot they rm::inded thlt action. CJ:maia:aioner RadJotia IDl!lltioned his re:::ol lection wa:s that it ... reatl.led t:o -:ecorwider. Dlln Rmtac:bts diacusaed optiOD9 t:he Planning Coaaiisaion c:xw.d ca:mider. CllaiBaD Sctu.ebuber ezpreaaed suq>t i se that the City l!bgi..oaer bad 00t amaidend a eeoord dr l YeWay. Olar.la Grima, PriDC:ipal Plannei:, clarif .led that thm:e -,s • c!iacaai00 of going to the bad' to PriMtly. !:lie "3CP,1•1rmd that the ~taJlt dt1veway vu the front dd~ ao:j that the aw}iamt didn't n!llllly care about the ao:,nS dri~. Qaiiaan Sdllebuber c:x-.lted th!it the llllC0l'z3 dri~y 'A& tbrowing hla of-f. 0-,!aionm: L'e.uta.D atated that part of the prablm u 1-ncallad it wa ttat the applicant t--s b1o dxive,ays Off l'andli) • 611 rmtim:m OD to lay that the Plmmio; O!laf Mion dian 1 t:t. pauihili ty of a thittl dri v-,ry -=roa tb9 bK1t of tha PL....-ty u another 11111)' to siphon off tbe tnfflc. Qaizan a:bJ41mber thcuJht ~ llle!::e only t:all1119 about twJ·dd...,_. Olm.•t~ llamoU• ~ taking the legal advice flaa tbe O"JODNlor ~ traffic .:!vice fram tbe City ~. aaataicmm: 11arcua uk:ad llhat wuld ~ tc tbe QJCI de•too that thi■ ... aot good ll1lCI clCN off acroa ·~? MINUTES July 10, 1985 Peqe 16 l'larty Bo.Dan said tMt th1e could be considered 11 d.riveway am -.a CX>t in violation of pol icy . tn an-.e:r to a query by a inember of the CDmlis3ion, Kr. ec,.ann respordoo that he was not fcnj of the ra • .. ndat ion but 1 t was a ~rcmi se . D:Jais.aione.r Marcus asked 1 f they should t.avu worked harder at 600' frcn the inte:r&eetion and a:mnissioner anith asked fo.r clarification since he did not believe the point th!Jt all traffic going out of th!!t drivewlly would have to go 8111St. l'1llty Scxmmn arun,,ered that the tr af f ic could go both ways. 0:mD.issicner Snith said tlvit !t wasn't his urrlerstanding. "'5rt:y ~ st.ated that the "s~t1on was that the traffic going west watld cxme out of the other dr~'-~Y- Comiaa iooer Sl!i th ask.ed if there was a way of 1 i.m1 ting thml to a right ham turn only !llld Mr. BcuDan mentioned that it could be don!!! • Cnmiaaianer Rmbot.1s IIIOrrlered if they needed a trotloo to do anything arr:! Cllainnan Scnleruber asked HI. SQ.man l f be unierstand what the Planning Qmnise!on discussed previously an1 other traffic posaibi li ties -would it hllV9 been better for & drivaway ard. secon:! l!CC'eSS 650' fraa the f 1 nt dt 1 ve,my? Kr • Boumn repl ied trat was not praNDted tc him. A a,t i OD vaa puuied aocept_i ng staff ' s 1. ~ ti on on thl• ltm am limiting the easterly drivei,ay to a right out only. 'fta Minutes of the Jui. 19, 1985 aped&l meeting were 414owd u corrected. By pa:1p11: a:itioo, the aeeting of July 10, 1985 waa adjom:nad At 9 zJO p.a. a.p.:tfully mbaitted, W'.illl& UI Ala:> TAPIO ArE DPT C. PILE ClHTlL Tim KllCT'!S U:I.W..W&>. 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