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DATE OF IiEm'l i<; ;
TINE OF MEETI~:
MINUTES
PU.>ffil N:; a::l"t1ISSION
Jul y 24, 198S
6 :00 P .M.
PUia: OF MEE'T'1 r,L; : C l ty O::,J ncl l C'i;mt)ers COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER : 1l"te meet l nq ....-as c-a l ) ed o or cle-r by
Qla!rman Schlehuber at f>:00 r .ro .
ROLL CALL:
Present: Q\a!an.,n Schlehuber, Cam.1 ss1oner s
.a.bfierlt:
l'lcFadden , Sn1 th , I~ 1 l , Rcnbo~ I s , Mar cus a rd
L ' Heur e\U .
None .
Staff Mtmbers Present :
Dan l-lent.sdlke , "8.s1at.m1t Ci t y Attor ney
O\a.rlea Grum., Pr i ncipal Planner
Mi chael Hol mii l le r, lArrl Use Pla M l ng Kan~qm
!'lilrn Howes, Associ at,e Planner
81:lld Therrian' Pt i nc I p;l l ~ ! \,' l l Dig I neer
Cl:,de W1 c lchin, Assoc-la t e Clv11 Eng ineer
Cllalamn SChlehuber called atte n ion t o the Planning
Cam!iesion Procedures being sho.m on the screen arr.:l ask8.'.l
the a1.>1:Herx:e to take a few lll.l nutes to r ead t:nem.
1. CT 84--31/CP-297/V-363 \llsrAS DE LA ~A -Request
for approval ofa 20 •.10it tentative tract aep 1lrrl
~cmi n 1 UD penn.i t • Also a request for a.wrovaJ of a
vari anor. to el im 1 na te the f i ve foot ooild ing aet.back.
trari the drtve-.iay area oo the north side of La Costa
A\ll!D.le between Raner i a Street and Gi ~r alter Street
in tne RD-M zn,,,,e.
Kilte Holies, A.e&c:ciate Planner, gave the presentation on
th!A it.an u coot.aimd in the staff report, uaiog l!I
tr.uurpareoc:y to show the ai te. He stats:! that the
0:llm.Juioo did not reoei ve a copy of the tentaU ve map
vith minor cffll'i■ions rut that it would becxme p!!lrt. of. the
pmmanent record.
Kin !kW al.so d~amssed -'1n aci::litiONll corditioo which
VCIUl.d require the a.:;.il1cant to cont.ribute to traffic feea .
Qwniuiomr ~ llSlted about the varia:~ ar.d Kike
eor.M n1plim that it vaa 5' on each side.
o.aiaiooer ~ ~ itd whether the adjacent
davelqaent.a ~ alJlo aalmd tor ., var ia.'lOl! am P1.ike Kcwes
z:aplied that he didn't th.im. so.
0--Suiomr ~ ~aled if staff knew of any
at:ructmal prci>lami oc other l.arr1a and Clyde Wick.ban,
Aaacciate Civil Dlgimer, ~ th!lt no failures were
rc,orted in the imzlediat:e arae.
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Ju1y ., , 1qa5
Omn1i.aloner l'tFl!Jdjen il.8ked about tlie st.4.b i 11 ty of the
soil anc Cl yde Wickham r epl 1 ed tho"! t t.het e ....ould be l!I f 1 na i
investigcat Ion of the !&sue.
O\ciDD4n Schlehuber opened the publ 1c heer 1ng l!l t 6 :OS p .m.
an::l is.sued the i nvi tat ion to speak.
Mr. "1..i.que.1 E..l I as , 2~ 2 Hard I nq S reet, au-1 shad , expll'l l raed
that they &gTeed with most of the Items e :1cept cond ! ti on
f35A in which they were required to inst.all a stoan
drlliMqe facility cl0$ to the develop:rent. lie ird1cated
that his engineer would d iscuss the lasu1?.
Hr. Richard YaEq1.1e2, 522S-O >.ven lda Enc I nas , Oirl.sbad,
eta ted tha t he had been working w I u, the-Eng 1 neer I ng
Dep!rtioent regarding tile is.Bl.le of stonn drains aro
ment ; ooed that at one t ime the awl i cant was 1ori l l 1 ng to
caq>ly with the· requi remmt. Mr . Vasquez e xpla lraed t.hat
aft.er corrlucting a util ity invest1ga t100 , the applicant
z::ealiza.i It presented l!I ma Jor problmi , am pointed out ':he
area oo the mar.
Carmis.e ione.r Ratt>otis wanted to know how large the
drainage area was ard Mr. YasquM repl 1ed t:h.!t. 1 t
~ three lo
Ccmnissioner Rmbot1s asked it they were ?3tt 1ng the box
ot the high point arr:l the engineer rep 100 that 1t would
be bet:weeri the high point Ard ~ low point .
Olai~n Sdllehuber queried Mr. Vasque2 Ir he was prepar~
to di SQl.SS the var l a.ncll aro Mr • Vasquez turned the
cH.scuasioa over to Hr. El I as.
O\aicman Sc.hlehuber requene:l th.,t l lr . £.1 ia.s point out the
vari 11.DC!e they were seek i n::i am Mr • El i aa poi nted to the
lociation on the map a.rd expl.!!ined it.
OM!icaan setl.lehlte.r aslced if each driveway va.s 25' and Kr.
Elias ~eel that they were.
CnD.iuioaer lt:llibotia goestioned if this ~-s necessitated
because of reg:rad i ng the 111.ope am l'tt" • El 1 as r~ed
that it~-
Cmmiaai aoer L' Heure.uE chedte:l wi th Kr • El i as to see i f he
-.. mare of the new ooo:31 tlon am !'tr. El ia.s replied that
he ma. Pit. Elias d iac:uam the o:x'ld 1 ti ens 1 o further
&tt:ail, expWAio;; that the stx:n:111 drainage wo::wd requlre
the ut.1 l ! tiee to be loca tad •
Since no one el• wiabai to ape11k on thls itan, the ?Jblic
bearing ws CODcl\:ded at 6: 10 p.m.
em.iaiooer Rmbotu aakoo a:taff about the storm drainage
tu ed Cl~ Widchm diacusaed it in detail .
0:laiu.iaoar Rmbotia ~erecl how the inlet wu only
goin; to take in drainage fran three lota az::d Clyde
lttcltla pointed to lt oo the transparency an:I explained
tbat tb8y anad the inltt to be put in to tab! care of
dtai.Daga which W0Uld .-erve five lots. He adm.i t ted they
,aca aot talking about II large m:nount of -ter.
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July 24, l 98S F.tqe 3 COMMiSSIONERS
Cl:J:ml i as 1 ooer L' Heur etU exp res.sed corcern a.bout core! i t ion
I 35c regard 1 nq street over lay arrl wanted to lr.l"'Clil hcu czuch
of La Cos-t:11 Averue was t'O be incllrled !n ttus condl t ion.
Clyde WI ck:hnm cl an f led that the corrl I t1 on ehou l d be
~rded as a rep11ir &long the fr-ont11qe.
Calmissioner 11cf'~er, a.aked where the water w'Otlld go If
the r equi reaients o t the co nd 1 t i on were rut l nc l uded , Mrl
Clyde Wick.h.su replied that l t .Q\Jld go a rourd th,;> corner
on Gilbr-a.lte[., west of Purerlc.
Ccmn.i 85 i onez L' Heu reui questioned 1 f the wh i te l ot.s sht.;JwT1
on the imp wa.i.ld be a 111C1re a~rq>r!ate place to !nr;lude
the storm drain, ard Brad T'herrian, Pr 1rx: 1pal C1v1 l
Engineer, eq:,la i~ thF> res tr lct Ions corce:rninq run off
l'rcn a lot.
O':mnlssioner Harcus st.,ta:l that she didn't th1nx it >o0..1ld
carry ll1ld1 water H this -1'i on II high point, and Clyde
Wickh.sn pointed to the transp:1n~nc-y to sh~• where they
-n-e prcpoB inq the i rtl et.
o:mn.iMion•u Harcus irrltCl'lted that west of the corner of
l:.a C.OSta a.rt! Rome:r i.-i would be the last chance i f they did
not get it here .
Bud Tberr ian pointed out t.hat ult i.Jlu tel y that WQ.lld be
the logical pi~ tcr ':he atom draln.
D:nmisaionez L' Heu re.u men t ioned thli t t.hi II cond 1 t1 on never
8" icipated the atDrm ru:ain being on site arrl chat the
P-'-~ lOC.!!ltiai was Ul:l)ract ic~l. Hie asked ~f the stot:m
drain ~ really needed, or W11s there anothe.r pll!Ce otf
&its 'llfhich would be brt tet . Brl!d Ther ~ l an ~oo thl'I t
the City WQU.ld still reg.iire the line to be put in for the
pipe &ali:!Wbere in that ar~.
OlaiDIIZIIl Sdllewber ii:di a,tm t..M t the awl ica:nt
d1ugraed, am KI. Vasque: expl.a ined that there ,o,ould
at.ill be 11 utility problem since utilities nu1 parallel to
La Oest.a Averne.
C,cmalaaiODB:r Pl:l"adden lll00deroo about !ID a.asesaaent
diattict :im Brad '1'hen1an ana,ered l:h8t there WQJ.ldn' t lA'l
coe tOl" thb ■iui ~)"'Ct, only for a major facility.
OWt!satonar Qa.ith tUPreaaed his concern that the oorth
sl.q:8 vu very steep ard there would be a run oft in that
uea. He uted wtlat cwlA be planted there am Prlke H0lll!S
a;plau.d that thl!'j required detailed lan:iscape pl.ans.
Mika lt0lllma alao atat:l!ld tba t 'Whe[] they reviewed the grading
plana, they wau1d lock at the eroaic:m control as well.
0=-1.uiooer Hall dJ•c:uned the varim .!l.l'rl going down
the ~i...-y# aid qoeried vhl!lt the turning rlld.iua lfllll to
aka it into the dcd:ile drive.aya. Be waa told 24'.
ow-Ju.toner Rall aalted ~ viBitor psrking was aoo !'like
~ r~lim that lt .-. on ■ite.
Clyde lr1.ckba i.Dticxai that the depth of the stocm dni in
-not dieozsw and that 1 t wu u · deep.
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PLANN I IC CI:t•P1J 55 ION July 24 , l 'J8'l Page 4
Q:un1as1oner ~lldjen -ntoo to lr;nor,; 1 ! the dr,un 'tilaS
nee:led to mit !gate lncreaStrl dta 1naqe by th Hi prO)ect arc!
Clyde Wick.twll replied that st.a!! believed it was.
Cl:mn1ss1orer Hal I ilSked about v ISi or p,rk 1ng arrl Ml ke
Howes tesp:lrrled t.h.!lt !laDe of the visitor parlnnci did rot
show up clearly on the 1I18p, and d1SC\.l!iSEd where these
spaces ...ere.
In answe.r to a query oy Cha 1 rman Sd"dehuber, Mille Howes
!ligreed that turning around would be tight to get into and
out of the quest ;:;ark inq spaces.
Q:mn.i 89 iooer ~e,n d 1 scus.sed the rx>t e to be I nc l uda:l on
the final caap reqa rding geotechn1caJ c-autlon and
questioned whether this would be 1nclujed for people ....t,o
?JtChase::l cordan!ni~ uni s In ll ptoJect ocated rext co
this one.
Brlld 'I'hernan expla1~ !:.hat lt 1o1a-S obv1o.ui frClll tJ,e
cor~H t ions th8 t. staff was concerrm about t.h 1 s but that
there was no mechanism to wa.rn people at the other
project.
Ctmnissiooer l'lcr'adden lrrlicated t.hat s1-l<-fourd 1t
d if f k\llt f i rd i rxi the s i t.e su 1 tl!hl e for the pro Ject arc
that v,e did not feel they tcx:>Jc into account t"ie
topography vhe!:i th..---y C2JIY' up with the zon l ng regulations.
She alr.c, stated she tel t the variance was too tight.
camii s.s i onei: Marcus askerl l f a CT i b waJ l wou1 d be a
aolution mid 8D!ld fllerr1ar1 r-eplie:l that a crib ..e.ll was
suitable in ceru,in con:Hticna an:! that the underlying
soil h.:ld to be 1JUit.Able to it. He explainej th8t they
would bave to do a soil investigation to see if it would
be adequate.
Olai:cmn SC:hlehuber merit i oned he hod a problen w i t.h the
varianc. einoe he felt 2S' was too short for a 24' turning
area. He said that it -,as too dense am there lllllil not.
enough spaces available.
CD:llllliaaioner Rnrbotia ir:xHcated that the project couJ..d be
re&migmd to prt the gar ages behi oo the un1 t.a Md M.i ke
~ rMpa'ded that it would bave to be a different
project type, but that it could be redeaigned.
ca..iaionet: L' 1-m1reu:1 suggested th8 t they vot2 OCl the
vari.mr.:ie firat aioce the NCOr..:i itaD i.as corditional upon
the variance.
A a>ti00 -a made to deny the variarce. ,,_ mot.ion was
aecondl!l'I CS, opene:! for d iacuasion.
ec-!Alc:Em L' Harreux sbted t:hl!lt thj 'l deni.•J was baaed
~ tt. ability to concur -,1th f 1 rd LB,1 TUllber J , that
thi• .. detr i.ainta.l to the publi,. welfare , am that be
could not ._ bQf the people could uae their dr 1 vew.\7'111 .
0.11:mn Sdllebllbltr ~ that regarding f 1m ing 1 , he did
mt lmaw that it ac» it an extraordinary coa:Ution.
MINUTES
Pt.ANNI IC <J:PNI SS IOt< Jul y 24, '98'i
A tn0tion was passed denying tilP, vanance .
A motion was cmde to approve the !lil:>gatl ve Declautlon
i ssued by U1e l.aro Use PL nn1ng Kar.ager t!in:l br 1ng back a
resolution of denial of the proJect ba.Bed upon the tact
th.!lt the =rlanc,e waA ~led an:! other oor&:!itlons staff
f o.nj apprq:,r i ate. '"'1e ax>tion was secorrled and opened for
discusaion.
Ccmniss1orer Ratb:>t1s ~1d It waa propet to sen:l i t bact
to a-ta.ff \..0 r1NOrlt the project sincl;' he thought i t could
t:e worked out.
Cmmi s:s 1 oner l"cF~en sugqested mend 1 r,g the J?O t 1 on
to deny t:he proj ect without pteJud1ce.
Olah:man Sdllehuber lii4ld they could deny 1 t w1 thout
prejudice or send it bacl!.. He asked Ccmniss ione.r
L'Heurewi for hls cannents si~ he made the !IX>t1on.
O:::m:11 i as loom: L' Heureu1 stated I t would r egu u e a ~l et.~
~ign of the project. If thfey den if'\d It without
prejudice, the appl leant co.tld a~l It to the City
Cowx:11 , or they could serd it bac!t an:l work wi th st.:,ff on
their own • O:::m:11 i ss ioner L' Heur eu.< i rrl ica tl!ld he d idn • t
thlnk it was the kiro of thing to ask staff to rework and
thEI:efore stated he would 1 ik.e tD he the aDtion read
lldmy witlx>ut prejudice•. 'T'he mot ion was an:errled to
include •deny without prejudice•.
Q:amisaioner Rmlbotie ag~ with cmmissioner L'Heurau's
stataDent.
A a:>tioo ~" taaeed approving the Negn t 1 w Declaration
iuued by the Laa! Use Pla..-mlng Manager ard asking stA.ff
to bring b5Ck a resolution of denial wi. thout preju:Hce of
tb9 proj-=t bued ~ the f~ thl!I .. the var iarre was
denim anj other coa:Htiorui thl!lt ~t:.aff fC111rl ar:trropriate.
M1c:bMl Holai ller lntroouced Gene Don:>van, the new City
~ineer.
2 . ZC'A-183 -CIT! CR CARLS8AD___, -An aoe••• .. ot to the
ioolog Ordi.rimii.i to requ.{re Planning O:Jmmiss1on or
C1ty 0:Juncil ai:proval (Siu Dewtl~t Pl.an) for
mlti-t:...ily r•idential projecu.
"1cbael Hal.miller, Laro Oi,e Plarning Kanager, gave the
pu ■rntatioo on t:h1a itaa u cocbd.ned in the at.aft
raport. Ha explained that. staff -rec.0illW!Odi.19 that all
aputMDt pn,jecta, ev-m at 111.i.niaJII daaity, vith m>re
thaD four uni ts IOJ.1d have to qet a ■1 te ~lCJPIEl'lt plan
procwe1 unSH cr;imitions of tbe O ovarlay zone.
Schlehuber I
1'1cFa&ien l[ l
Shi tl1 I
iial l 11
RclrJtx) ti 8 X
Marcus I.
L' Heureux X
Sd1leh.lber I
lt:::P'adden :a:
enith I[
Ball • Ranbotis J[
Karcua ,:
L'Heuran: z z
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MINUTES
July 24, I ':18':l Paqe 6
COm:Li11eioner l'Cl!lrn.ia dlsnUI.IIF!d tt-rPCef"lt ..orlc of the
Design Rev!-O::nmittee an::l asked if tr.ose pro1ec-ts w1ti1
four or less fall ume.r the jur1edlct.lon of that
Camuttee am Hie~ li01ZZll1ller 6'1id that he did not
thinlt that it wo.ild.
Cmmissioner .9nl th asked how It would affect. prnJects
al.ready ln proa!SS at this tune snd Michael Holzml. ller
r-espon!e:l that if the project was not conside1erl yet by
the Planning Q:maiaslon, it ...ould be subject. to the
propoee:S ordillAflCe llnlees the Cmm.!ss1on r~
arx>ther position. He pointed oot tha several proj ects
hav-e been sutmit ted but have not yet been reviewed by
•ta.ff or calSidered by the Cmmis.slon .
0'181cm,.n Schlehuber opened the publ 1c testllll'.>ny at
6: fO p.m. Since no one wished to speak, the publ 1c
hearing was closed.
O::nmlsaioner Raii:Jot is concurred ..,1th Cam!i ss 1oner ~ th
am said that projects should be ex~t l ! the .-iwl I.cant
already !!.tl)l ied for a bui l.d. Ing pearu t.
OJmm.i ea ioner Sn! th said they should t.Alte II look ro see at
what .as already 1 n the works.
OJmm.i asioner 111::Fadden asked for cl.a r 1f i cat J on aru
Caai uionez Ranbot i a r espon:!ed Lha t any project. w i th an
applic:atioo for a tuild~ peanit as of July 24, 198~,
w.:uld be e%811)t fr-an the ordinance.
'ftle Pl.anning cami as ioo awroved the NEga t Ive Dec lar II ti on
i~ by the I.and Oae l"l anning Nanager ll1'ld adopted the
followin;i RMoluti~:
RBLDTION ti[). 2,67 R1D:H<l!K)ItC. APPRO,?J. OP A. UliE (Xl)E Mmiiiin', 1iM!X)D,lj TITLE 21, ~ 21. ,, , OF THE
CUL£iBM> fOIICIPAL OD.!, Bl' THE AIDITION OF stmSl!CTTON
21.,4 .220 '!O RU]Ill A SI'i'E D~ PUN FOR ALI..
PIJLTI-P»\ILY RrSmDffUL PT«lJIC'TS.
With the fol lowing c:bange:
Tbere wt1Uld be an ~tioo for project.a that have Mi
8R)liaatioc tor a building pecmit on file u of July 24,
1985.
l) Cl' U-~73/SP-i.95 -CARlSW) [.Ml) lWBSTCIIS -a.q.wt approval of a tentatiWI rn:Ivlalon map
for • pl amed unit dewt.l.apant for a 252 lot
:a1daDtW aibdiv1•ion lcx:amd OD a ridgeaip, south
of Pal.calr Uq,art. jjced MD just east. of the future
all(JmliilDt of Q)llege Baul.rnird.
• aJt.J.aa -pa--2 ,e, eldlng cootinwmc:e ot th1• 1teai
anti 1 lugust U, 1985.
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MINUTES
~I~ O'.H(lSSION July 24 , 198',
COMMISSJONERS
D150.lSSICti InMS
') FQ)-84 -aJn.11 VlsrA APART'!"IDfi'S -Request for a
Planning Comm[saion Detennini, !ori for a t,..elve unit
aµ,i-tment project general 1 y 1 oca ted on the nor th s 1de
of Luc iernagn Street between Corl nt I a SLl:eet a m El
FUert.e Stre,et t n the ID--M z.one .
CJ.tu:-l ~ Grimm, Pt inc i pal Planner , inent 1 oned there Jfill an
additional cord It 101 requ i r Ing An ack3 1 t1 on.a 1 c 1 rc-ula u oo
fee. Charlm11 Grimm g,ave the presentation on thta item,
asing a t.r~rency to show the site ard a m.-ip on the
boa rd to Bho,.. the proposed pre JecL lie exp la I ned the
project Ard recnmJen:Jed awroval.
Q:mm 1 s..s I oner L 'Heur eui sa id he thought tha t the aod i t ; .Jnc) l
con:! it ion w-ould m It ig;,te the !act that the dens It y of the
project. wil.S .l above lS du's/acr.e and that he h.!ld no
problem inak Ing the f loo 1 f'IJ •
1'le Planning Cmm1s$1on apprCNed the following Resolut ton:
RmJUJTIOl hO. 2463 APPRO/IM:i A R~EST ro ~ A
TWELVE ONlT '-1'.\RTM~ PR>Jtrr Wl 'ni A DEXSJ 1'Y OP l ">..2
rxJ' S/,C ~ PROP.ERTY ~y u:x:ATID ~ rnE OOR'I'H SIDE OP
LC.:Ull:N1GA S'l'RFFI' BeTWml OOIHNTI A. srREET AND EL P\J~
srREE'I".
Hil(e Howes discussed the !:IR for ~elly Ranch an::I externed
an invit.l!ltion to -.bers of the Pl&nning Camm i e.slon to
attend the a rcheolog iO!Ll in~t igat ions on the sl tes.
Hike Hove11 mentioned that tbe exhibits for Viet.a sanui re
area were rev i SEO •
1'1:id'wlel Hol zmi llm: d iscussa;l the City Coua:: i l's meetings
on the Cit i :zens com.it tee Reper t &nd mentioned that 11
memaramum vould be given to Planning COrumission members
out! iniog what vim approved. lie also stated that e
~t cit i zen.s C0IIIII i ttee vould be awai nted and th.at
tvo planning cammisaiooen voo.1.d be appointoo to the
a:imm i ttee. !:le cl ar 1I ied th!! t the Pl ann i ~ Comm i ss i oo
V0Uld l!IR)Oint the two plannir.:J commiasioners.
0:lmaiaiomr Plarcua a.sked vhat vaa discussed et the
0:lm:l:U aeeticg regarding urderground parking in the baach
uee am Kichael Hol miller Mpla lned 1 t to her .
By prcpe.r mot.loo, the meeti!Yj of July 24, L98S was
adjcumed at 6 r53 p.a.
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lad 0.. Planning P'lm\ager
IDthstuk
MinlJta. Clerk
NDTia:;& ARZ ALSJ 'fAP!D lUI) 1t!P'T Cti ~ILE CM"I L fflE H llilJ'l"l!S
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l'cFadden
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