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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1987-06-01; Traffic Safety Commission; MinutesMINUTES Meeting of: Time of Meeting: Date of Meeting: Place of Meeting: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION 3:00 p.m. June 1, 1987 City Council Chambers COMMISSIONERS CALL TO ORDER: Chairman O'Day called the Meeting to order at 3:08 p.m. ROLL CALL: Present - Chairman O'Day, Commissioners Erwin and Fuller. Absent - Commissioners Herring and Melideo. Staff Members Present: Bob Johnson, Principal Civil Engineer Mike Shirey, Engineering Technician II APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Minutes of the Meeting held May 4, 1987, were approved as presented. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: No one was present to speak before the Commission. OLD BUSINESS: Bob.Johnson reported the citizens Circulation Committee has been meeting and he deferred the results to Commission Erwin. The[six-lane portion of Rancho Santa Fe Road between La Costa Avenue and Olivenhain Road should be completed within 30 days. The traffic signals should be installed and working within that same period of time. NEW BUSINESS: A. Rancho Santa Fe/Melrose Drive Intersection - Discuss Alignment and Signalization Report Prepared by Willdan Associates. Bob Johnson reported this item would not have a quorum for discussion or action, due to the absence of two Commissioners and the abstaining of Commissioner O'Day due to a possible conflict of interest. The Commissioners agreed to set a special meeting for this item on June 15, 1987, at 3:00 p.m., in the Council Chambers. Chairman O'Day announced the special meeting would be held on June 15, 1987, at 3:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers, and asked whether any persons present to speak on this item would be unable to attend that meeting. All present indicated they would return on the 15th. Tom Anthony inquired whether the exhibit on the wall showed the proposed alignment, stating he felt that was a good solutio i Bob Johnson stated he would supply a copy of the Willdan report to Candace Lyman for her perusal. O'Day Erwin Fuller MINUTES TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION June 1, 1987 Page 2 COMMISSIONERS B. Marjorie Lane - Request for Two-Hour Parking Limit Monday through Friday. Bob Johnson gave the staff report on this item stating the "throat" of Marjorie Lane is the restriction. The Fire Marshal has indicated there should be parking on one side only The Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee supported the recommendation to paint red curb on the west side of the entrance for 80 feet. The two-hour parking time limit would create problems in the bulb portion of the street, and is not normally done on a residential street. The two-hour limit would apply to all vehicles—not just the high school students—and would limit the residents and'their guests. Also, a parking limit would require constant police enforcement. This would not address the problem of the lack of off-street parking for the high school students, but would just move that problem to another street. This might set a precedent for other residents to request the same two-hour parking limit. The Coordinating Committee did not recommend a two-hour parking limit on this street. In answer to Commissioner Erwin's comment the people would be worse off with the red curb than now, Mr. Johnson answered the street is only 32 feet wide and there should not be parkin, on both sides. As the City becomes aware of streets of this width, the parking restrictions will be placed on them. William H. Poole, 1885 Chestnut, addressed the Commission, stating his address is on Chestnut, but his home fronts and the driveway accesses on to Marjorie Lane. His concern was safety. The parents and students come into Chestnut and Marjorie Lane and load and unlaod, blocking both streets. He recommended enforcement at the time the students are there. The police arrive after the students are gone. Mr. Poole added there is no enforcement of parking regulations. There should be no parking on the curb return. Also, people park more than 18 inches from the curb—some at a 35 degree angle. Those people parked illegally will not allow the residents to exit the street. Mr. Poole stated he resents having to pick up the trash and debris left by the students. There are soft drink cans and containers and beer bottles. At the time the school banned the smokers, they moved over to this area. The smoking and music start at 6:30 a.m., and the residents there need relief from this nuisance. Mr. Poole stated the neck of the street is narrow, and it would not hurt to paint both sides of the street red. Commissioner Erwin inquired whether Mr. Poole had talked with the school people, and Mr. Poole answered not in the last six months. The Vice-Principal used to break up the smoking, but the residents were supposed to call the school each time. The School District does not support the security people, but it would help if they came on duty at 6:30 a.m. MINUTES TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION June 1, 1987 Page 3 COMMISSIONERS Vernon Holbrook, 3614 Marjorie Lane, stated he bought his home in August to be a retirement home. At this point, he is not certain about that, due to the harassment from the high school students parking on the cul-de-sac. Mr. Holbrook stated this is a very dangerous situation and he would like some help. He wrote a letter regarding this situation and took time off from work to appear here today. He said there is no enforcement by the police, and at this point he wants the students out of his yard. He has fruit trees in his yard, which they strip of fruit, and he has to pick up litter constantly. Mr. Holbrook recommended painting the entire curb in the cul-de-sac for no parking. Ernest Mejia, 1845 Chestnut Avenue, addressed the Commission stating he has trouble with the littering and the beligerent attitude of the students. When he complained to the school, he was told to go back to Mexico by the teachers there. The security guards are civil service employees and are just putting in their time. They receive no backing from the school or parents. Mr. Mejia stated he gets up at 4:30 or 5:00 a.m., to pick up the papers out of his yard. At lunch time, the students dump the trash in his yard again. Mr. Mejia continued, stating he has lived there 36 years, and is at the point of taking matters into his own hands, unless he receives some help. There are other people parking on the street, other than students. Mr. Mejia stated these are people that sell items to the students. Mr. Mejia agreed with the suggestion to paint the entire area red and police enforcement of that restriction. He said his company is able to park in his yard, and that would not inconvenience 'him. At the present time, he is unable to get into onto his property due to the illegal parking. Chairman O'Day closed the public testimony portion at 3:34 p.m Commissioner Fuller commented he had driven to Marjorie Lane this morning about 10:00 a.m. There was parking available on Chestnut Street, but obviously the students would rather park on Marjorie Lane, which is closer to the school. Commissioner Fuller stated he would be in favor of the red curb and a two-hour parking zone on this street. Commissioner Erwin agreed, but was concerned about eliminating parking for the residents by painting the curb red. Commissioner Fuller added he would like to see the two-hour parking restriction begin at 7:00 a.m. to at least 3:00 p.m., or 4:00 p.m. Chairman O'Day commented about the number of times the Commission will hear this request on the streets around a school. Commissioner Fuller said there was parking available on Chestnut, so they were not inconveniencing the students. He felt this street was unique. MINUTES TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION June 1, 1987 Page 4 COMMISSIONERS Sgt. Shipley stated there would be a problem to enforce a two-hour parking restriction. The Commissioners felt it would require some initial policing to get the idea across that violators would be ticketed. Traffic Safety Commission approved painting 80-feet of red curl on the west side entrance to Marjorie Lane, as contained in the staff report and recommended by the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee. The Commission also requested a two-hour parking restriction from 7:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m., Monday through Friday, on Marjorie Lane. Chairman O'Day stated he opposed this motion, as he felt this would set a precedent the Commission would regret. Commissioner Fuller added he felt this situation was unique and required a different approach. This type of restriction is common in other jurisdictions. Staff will check into the curb return situation and cars parking there. Those are not normally painted red, but if vehicles are parked there, it is a hazard as far as sight restriction. Staff chose the west side of the street for the red curb as this is the entering traffic and is faster. The Commission requested this item be returned in six months with a report on the results of the signing. C. Carlsbad Boulevard - Request for "NO PARKING" Zone on East Side from Palomar Airport Road to La Costa Avenue. Bob Johnson gave the staff report stating vehicles parked in the bike lane obstruct the through travel of the bicyclists, and sometimes the traffic lane. The Traffic Safety Coordinati: Committee recommended a "NO PARKING" zone be established on th< east side of Carslbad Boulevard between Palomar Airport Road and La Costa Avenue. Traffic Safety Commission approved the recommendation of the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee to establish a "NO PARKING" zone on the east side of Carlsbad Boulevard between Palomar Airport Road and La Costa Avenue. D. Paseo Del Norte - Request to Establish a "NO TRUCK ROUTE" from Palomar Airport Road to a Point 1,150 Feet South on Paseo Del Norte. Bob Johnson reported the Police Department had requested this portion of Paseo Del Norte be eliminated from the code as a truck route. This was done originally to allow parking in t lot in back of Denny's. Since that parking is no longer availciLixe to trucks, there is no need for the truck route designation. Traffic Safety Commission approved the recommendation of the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee to establish a "NO TRUCK ROUTE" designation on Paseo Del Norte for a distance of 1,150 feet southerly of Palomar Airport Road. E. La Costa Avenue - Request to Establish Hillside Street Designation for Sidewalk Purposes. Bob Johnson reported this item will be before the Planning Commission this Wednesday evening. The Development Processing Services staff has compiled a list of streets in the La Costa area for which they are requesting a Hillside Street desig- nation for sidewalk purposes. O'Day Erwin Fuller O'Day Erwin Fuller O'Day Erwin Fuller MINUTES TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION June 1, 1987 Page 5 COMMISSIONERS -Mr. Johnson explained the reason for this designation was the location on the down hill side of the street has no room for a sidewalk to be built without a sliver fill. A transparency was used to indicate how the sliver fill would affect the hillside, and Mr. Johnson stated there would be instability and this would use a large amount of land at the bottom of the slope. The uphill side of the roads would require sidewalks, if one does not exist at the present time. Mr. Johnson stated where new construction is going in, the roadway would be graded to accommodate sidewalks on both sides He referred to the list of streets given to the Commissioners and the map. Commissioner Erwin asked for clarification of this recommenda- tion, and whether that meant those streets would never have to put in sidewalks on the down hill side. Mr. Johnson replied the City Engineer would evaluate each and every instance as development occurs. This does not mean sidewalks would not be built. It would give the City Engineer the latitude to require them or not. Commissioner Erwin continued, stating Esturion Street has sidewalks on both sides; Segovia Way is only a half -street and he would not want to imply they would not have to build sidewalks with the other half of the street. Commissioner Fuller apV?d whether Commissioner Erwin' s copy of the map could be .snhnmittea with his comments attached, to be sent to the Planning Commission. Staff agreed to include • this information. The final decision will be City Council's, as this matter will go to them after Planning Commission takes action. Traffic Safety Commission approved the recommendation of the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee for designation of Hillside Street for sidewalk purposes for the streets named in La Costa. This list is to include comments from Commissioner Erwin, as follows: Esturion Street already has sidewalks; Altiva Place looks as though it has already been graded to include sidewalks; and Segovia Way is only half- constructed at the present time. REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS: Commissioner Erwin reported the Circulation Committee was considering whether Rancho Santa Fe Road should be designated as a prime or major arterial street. There was concern on the part of some of the Members of the Committee that it was premature to vote on this. Five Members were in favor of it being a prime arterial and five were against. Commissioner Erwin stated the report from this Committee is du after two more regular meetings. He hopes this can be expanded to include the entire City, to avoid problems like this in the future. REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER: Bob Johnson reported the North Beach Planning/Traffic Study will be distributed within the next week. The Commissioners are to give their comments by the July meeting. Chairman O'Day suggested the Commissioners study the report and submit comments in writing to Bob Johnson in time for him to bring this as an agenda item the next meeting. O'Day Erwin Fuller X X X X MINUTES TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION June 1, 1987 Page 6 COMMISSIONERS Chairman O'Day requested the Commissioners have their written comments to Bob Johnson by June 24, 1987. This is to be on traffic safety only. Bob Johnson stated the Pedestian Study could be discussed by the Commission at the next meeting, without written comment from the Commissioners. Thelma Hayes will be present at the next meeting to discuss this study. ADJOURNMENT: By proper motion, the Meeting of June 1, 1987, was adjourned at 4:15 p.m. Respectfully submitted, 'HARRIETT BABBITT Minutes Clerk